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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.11.27 23:47:00 -
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wiersma wrote:Takara Mora wrote:[quote=Danika Princip]
EvE is a PvP game. Remember that. So if eve is a PVP game why are there a **** load of missions to do solo or with friends ? EVE is both PVP and PVE and player and friends versus enviorment.
There is PVE to fuel the PVP. Note how a lot of PvE can actually be interpreted as PvP (ninja salvaging, exploration racing, incursion fleets, etc).
Its just a different form of player versus player.
Sorry but, Eve is and always has been a PvP centered game. Its why there is no instancing. |
Velicitia
Open Designs
125
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Posted - 2011.11.28 00:11:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Takara Mora wrote:Hey guys, isn't it already easy to gank a Hulk in Hisec in a Hurricane? ... If so, no reason to use these the T3 BC's for that actually (assuming they will be more expensive .... but maybe that's not a good assumption?) Good god, who ganks in a cane? Brutix is cheaper and better. (Yay, Gallante pvp  ) And tomorrow, catalyst will have 900 dps overheated (no, you won't need those guns later). I know what I'm using for the next Hulkagaddon  .
and the new BCs will one-shot a hulk...
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Wolodymyr
Mando'a Navy
Controlled Chaos
5
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Posted - 2011.11.28 01:55:00 -
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wiersma wrote:What about disabled people that cant do much more then play games. ?
Now you made me feel sad for making fun of someone with no arms and no legs who has to play eve with his tongue.
Just based on probability the person who goes out mining two to three times a week for 2 hours a day will probably not attract a lot of attention from gankers. The 15 multiboxed hulks eating all the belts in one system 23/7 is what attracts gankers.
Seriously every time I have shot at miners in highsec it's always bots that I run into.
They never safe up after people's warnings (and our witty comments) in local.
They never freak out when half a dozen destroyers warp in on them in a belt.
There are always 10 of them methodically chewing through the same belts in the same system all day every day in a predictable pattern. |
wiersma
Dark Matter Systems
3
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Posted - 2011.11.28 11:09:00 -
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True Bot are a serious problem. and eve is pvp centered. But there are enough players that like eve and do not want to go to war
for every fart that came out sideways.
I still think when tier 3 BC prices level of at about 40 to 50 miljon isk. they are pretty darn cheap hulk gankers.
and that 900 DPS for the gallente catalyst is for the same reason a gank ship.
I think CCP is trying to get rid of bot miners at the expense of real players thus creating an inbalance in the game.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic
Tragedy.
204
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Posted - 2011.11.28 14:40:00 -
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I think if CCP wants to get rid of bot miners there are easier ways to do it.
CCP can simply flag an account that they have verified as a bot account so that CONCORD does not come to their rescue if ganked. Make this flag visible to all players.
CCP wins as they do not lose the money from that account until the owner unsubs on their own.
The gankers win because now they get free juicy targets.
The player wins because bots are now cut down by the players for the players.
The botters lose, thus everybody else wins.
Yes there would be room for error on CCPs part in flagging accounts. This is what petitioning is for. CCP knows who the botters are anyway. It would be very hard to make a mistake in this regard.
Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
32
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Posted - 2011.11.28 15:39:00 -
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Hirana Yoshida wrote:If shooting carebears is PvP then throwing dynamite into a pond must count as fishing.
And a pretty damn cool way to fish too. Makes me wish u could use bombs in highsec.
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StukaBee
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:05:00 -
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Takara Mora wrote:
The Goonswarm wing of the CSM, also seems to have a complete and utter disdain for any solo play other than ganking, and that pretty much the only ppl who run missions or mine are botters (or at least that's their political cover story). Who knows, they may have their own bot fleets running 24x7 in their home systems -- that would be totally classic goon shenanigans wouldn't it?
If we were botting why would we be running bots in our own systems when its safer and more profitable to put them into NPC corps and run highsec L4s? |
Nekopyat
Nee-Co
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:52:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Don't get me wrong ... there are some days where I actually enjoy it being quiet in corpchat... but overall, solo play is probably the one truly "wrong" way to go about playing EVE.
While sometimes I think the devs think it would be sexier if it were not the case, I think on the whole I disagree. Solo play is a fairly big part of EvE and is one of the reasons it has done so well. It had a place for players who just want to pop on for a few hours here and there, who do not have the consistant time or raw hours to be reliable enough for group play.
Sure it is not the most profitable play style in the game, but sub-par and wrong are pretty different things, esp since 'sub par' is more profitable then 'just does not play'. |
Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
340
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:28:00 -
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Your cries of pain fall upon deaf ears.
Bring the ganks, death to all miners.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
WIdot Director of Quality Control and Ironically Signing My Title to Posts To Make People ~mad~ |
Velicitia
Open Designs
130
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Posted - 2011.11.29 00:42:00 -
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Nekopyat wrote:Velicitia wrote:Don't get me wrong ... there are some days where I actually enjoy it being quiet in corpchat... but overall, solo play is probably the one truly "wrong" way to go about playing EVE. While sometimes I think the devs think it would be sexier if it were not the case, I think on the whole I disagree. Solo play is a fairly big part of EvE and is one of the reasons it has done so well. It had a place for players who just want to pop on for a few hours here and there, who do not have the consistant time or raw hours to be reliable enough for group play. Sure it is not the most profitable play style in the game, but sub-par and wrong are pretty different things, esp since 'sub par' is more profitable then 'just does not play'.
Which is why I used quotation marks around wrong in my comment. I do like the break from group things to just chill and check markets or mine or pretty much anything ...
It's not terrible to run solo ... but the people who get up in arms that there needs to be "more solo content" at the expense of everything else are what really drag things down for the "pro solo play" crowd(if you wanna see what happens, just look at the threadnarok from earlier this year because of Incarna).
I will disagree that "solo play" is what has made EvE do so well -- you don't hear about the dude who plays for 2 hours in a mission drake in the gaming news ... you hear about the 1k man fleet fights, or the huge scams that seemed legit for years that netted one or two people hundreds of billions of ISK...
As for the guys who have only a few hours a week to play ... there are tonnes of corporations in hisec that are centred around that playstyle... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
62
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Posted - 2011.11.29 02:38:00 -
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If an afk miner or one that is lazy and not playing safe loses a ship to the new BCs, I say its their problem.
An active, properly playing miner will almost never lose a ship to a ganker.
Mine lazilly, you make the job of the ganker easy.
Mine properly (dscan not required), and the gankers move on.
If you want to know how to mine with low risk of being ganked (other than if you **** someone off), please feel free to message me in game. Mail preferred. |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:59:00 -
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My only concern so far would be with the Tornado when setup as an "instacane" copycat. It's look silly but check this out none the least:
[Tornado, Insta (1400)]
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Phased Plasma L
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Reactor Control Unit II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
Hardwiring - Inherent Implants 'Squire' PG2
This puppy ***** out 9,000 alpha with a lock time of 1.2 seconds on an interceptor. 0.5 sec on a BC. Load Quake L and it goes up to 10,400 alpha. ouch!
Meanwhile, a "real" instacane can not exceed 4,000 alpha by any measure that matters.
I can see this ship turning the universe into something silly real quick. I'll be watching  |
Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors
9
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Posted - 2011.11.30 08:43:00 -
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Why does space have to be safe?
This is not an afk game. D-Scan, be aligned, and be ready, even when you are in high sec. |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:19:00 -
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Gritz1 wrote:Why does space have to be safe?
This is not an afk game. D-Scan, be aligned, and be ready, even when you are in high sec.
Roger that. That's my point, actually. With the setup I posted right above, by the time the brain register a blinking yellow box and start reaching for the warp button, accounting for lag etc, you are already socking up a salvo of 1400s. It's done. BLAP.
This might be too much tbh. |
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