working as intended. Make friends, go to lowsec, your friends can shoot the bad guys before they open fire (i.e. there's no CONCORD to punish you).

perhaps this will be the first of the hammer blows to the great wall of carebear...

Yeah, one of my corpmates pulled up Sisi (maybe yesterday?) ..

Talos has something like
1500 shield
1900 armour
2100 hull

it'll be scrapmetal in 3-4 solid hits from large weapons...

^^this honestly

i remember back when i was an officer in a mining corp, semi-disbanded as we all started our own corps.

we actually FORBID corp members from mining in high-sec, as it gives crap isk per hour and we were adjacent to lowsec anyways.
honestly low-sec is PRETTY DAMN SAFE, all you need is a nice mining system and 4-5 australians from a friendly merc corp (as in they were people we built ships for, so they had an investment to protect), and our guys would mine decent-value ores all day with rarely a neut in system for more then 5 seconds.

basically, even if these new BC's are "hulk-killers", last checked they can go down fairly quick, get a well-balanced defense fleet of 4-5 ships, and you shouldnt have any problems.

Confirming resists don't exist, and tier 3 bc doesn't have the sig of a cruiser.

I'd be more concerned about mineral -> ship prices if I were you.

And btw, with the buffed dessie, catalyst pumps out 900 dps overheated (no, you won't need those guns later). I know what I will be using for the next hulkagaddon, and it's not the tornado.

working as intended. Make friends, go to lowsec, your friends can shoot the bad guys before they open fire (i.e. there's no CONCORD to punish you).

perhaps this will be the first of the hammer blows to the great wall of carebear...

There is only one tier3 BC coming this winter .. Winmatar arty boat as requested by griefer/ganker leet PvP'ers on CSM and for CCP to get the whole art competition fiasco out of the way.

The three other ships will probably not see much use (comparatively) and are included because adding just the Winmatar hull would make the whole thing too obvious.

Just to be clear ... "great wall of carebear" ... mmmm .... why would we want to discourage carebears exactly?

I mean, most people start out as solo players in hisec ... and even those who never choose to become PvP'rs, still pay their subs .... so, what's with the "declare war on carebears" tact exactly? Why would we want to drive them away from the game? (some will adapt but as always there will be unsub casualties)

The "Great Wall of Carebear" is the idea that EVERY gate in EVERY lowsec system is camped 24x7 with people who are shoot first, then laugh at the victim (or some idea that is very similar). Since "all" of the carebears believe in this perma-camping of the border systems, they're viewed as being completely not worth it. In essence, it creates a wall between hisec and lowsec.

[quote=Velicitia]

Does ganking carebears REALLY ever convert them into PVP'rs btw?

it is not the point to convert them into pvpers. you are misunderstanding a lot of things here.

carebear makes shittons of isk. pirate makes his money by taking a bit of that. it's pretty ******* simple.

for example:

farmer grows some wheat. evil bandit comes and steals his crops and wife.

i think it should be pretty straightforward to understand.

also, a lot of you do not understand that it takes time and effort to find good "gank" in pretty similar way than exploring works. you keep scanning until you hit something which MIGHT get you something valuable. even then there's risk of failure unless you try to play safe, which means profit is reduced to pretty minimum. for most of people it's just easier to carry on and do incursions.

Wow, now, you're actually right ... the PROFESSIONAL Ganker, I could actually have some respect for ... skill-wise I mean ...

Still ... is this REALLY what the game is all about? Either nullsec blob warfare, or ruining other ppl's days? ... From destroyable customs houses, better, cheaper weapons for gankers, and too many "nerf hisec and anyone who isn't a ganker or a nullbear" rumors to count ... is it just me or does this game really just HATE anyone who doesn't want to either a) play the "Bad Guy" b) be nullsec "Meatshield #75468", or at least c) become willing PVP cannonfodder? These are all fine and great goals for some people (not enough though it would seem, based on subscriber numbers). Is it really anathema to be someone who just wants to mind their own business and build cool stuff, run missions, etc.?

Maybe it's all that EVE is intended to be and nothing more .... then again ... maybe it's why we don't have more players ....

This is the Talos' stats from chruker.dk:

EM/EX/KIN/THERM

Shield -- 0/50/40/20 (1750 base HP)
Armour -- 50/10/35/35 (1890 base HP)
Hull -- 0/0/0/0 (2160 base HP)

Sig radius is 200m.
Sig resolution on Meta 4 Neutron blasters is 400m.
Ideally you're hitting 50% of the time.

Base damage of antimatter is 28 Kin/20 Therm, weapon modifier (4.41x) brings you up to 123.48 Kin/88.2 Therm
8 weapons = 987.84Kin/705.6 Therm per volley before even factoring in skills and ship bonuses (1693.5 overall)... or critical/glancing blows... which will admittedly change the numbers a bit.

shields take 592.7 Kin/564.5 Therm damage per volley (1157.2 overall) (assuming 100% shields, 1 volley leaves you at 34%)
armour takes 642.1 Kin/458.6 Therm damage per volley (1100.7 overall) (assuming 0% shields, 100% armour, 1 volley leaves you at 41%)
Hull takes everything (1693.5) (assuming 0% shields, 0% armour, 1 volley leaves you at 21%)

since we're not accounting for the skill modification of these numbers (or modules, drones, ship bonuses, etc), looks like it'll take 5-6 solid hits with the base stats of the guns and resists.

Looking at the offensive side, The Talos gets 5% bonus to damage per BC level, so you're looking at an additional 15% damage at base skills to be in the ship... plus an additional 5% for large hybrid turret ...

So with just the base skills to be in one of these new BCs:

shields take 1397.3 overall (assuming 100% shields, 1 volley leaves you at 20%)
armour takes 1329.1 overall (assuming 0% shields, 100% armour, 1 volley leaves you at 30%)
Hull takes everything (2044.9) (assuming 0% shields, 0% armour, 1 volley leaves you at 5%)

Since we're not accounting for additional modifications to the numbers (modules, skills, drones, etc), looks like 4 solid hits would be enough to convert the Talos into scrap.

my OP stands

I have been getting a bit concerned about the new battlecruisers going to be introduced in crucible.
Mainly my concern is these ships pack quite a punch and i am afraid they are going to be used to gank miners all over eve.
I have tested this on sisi and one tier 3 battle cruiser can destroy a hulk in a few seconds. And i did not even use faction ammo. or t2 guns..

So I think the miners are going to be the big loosers in this new expansion.

Hooray! We can finally start taking out those botters up in empire space.

Seriously all the minerals in this game are produced nearly risk free in highsec by one of two kinds of players:

1. Robots

2. Unemployed neckbeards who spend 15 hours a day multiboxing 10 accounts in hulks eating belts in empire space.

EvE is a PvP game. Remember that.

[quote=Danika Princip]

EvE is a PvP game. Remember that.

Exactly :)

The question is ... is it ONLY a PvP game --> should non PvP'rs really be reviled and shunned by even the designers?

For now, I guess the answer is known (ganking is the new solution) .... it's probably a pendulum effect (i.e.-please the gankers this time around .... look at the followon effects .... react and re-tweak).


Will the T3 BC's be expensive? Will they require any T3 or T2 components, and will their BPO's be commonly available or will they require LP's, etc.?

I'm guessing from the noise so far they will be normal T1 mfg items, but haven't seen the bpo details to tell ...

So if eve is a PVP game why are there a **** load of missions to do solo or with friends ?
EVE is both PVP and PVE and player and friends versus enviorment.

Hey guys, isn't it already easy to gank a Hulk in Hisec in a Hurricane? ... If so, no reason to use these the T3 BC's for that actually (assuming they will be more expensive .... but maybe that's not a good assumption?)

If shooting carebears is PvP then throwing dynamite into a pond must count as fishing.