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stg slate Caldari Provisions Caldari State 14	Posted - 2014.10.24 21:33:28 - [31] - Quote Arsine Mayhem wrote: stg slate wrote: Sven Viko VIkolander wrote: In some ways I actually hope you are right. What do you mean "hope I'm right"? I said it, so it is true. We will be ankle-deep in adorable F2P newbies flying around in their Reapers and Iblises before the new year! [Reaper, Reaper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion S Trials can no longer train Small Autocannon Specilization! If you are a marketing mogul then stock up on Meta4 weapons! They will be more in demand soon!
Arsine Mayhem Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 353	Posted - 2014.10.24 21:52:40 - [32] - Quote stg slate wrote: Trials can no longer train Small Autocannon Specilization! If you are a marketing mogul then stock up on Meta4 weapons! They will be more in demand soon! Yea, rookie ships can't do plexes either.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 5508	Posted - 2014.10.25 00:16:43 - [33] - Quote stg slate wrote: With these changes in place I can think of no reason not to allow for trials of unlimited duration. Disruption of the character bazaar: why buy a character when you can just train one for free? Disruption of multi-character training (see above) Much lower penalty for grief play (i.e.: your reputation won't follow you since you'll just have a legion of alts ready to burn) Drastic increase in PLEX prices as people are able to raise decent incomes on "endless trial" characters to feed their main Less requirement to pay subscriptions, the restrictions do not prevent flying officer-fit pirate hulls, for example, so there is little restriction from endless swarms of mission runners simply dropping subscriptions and going free-to-play. I imagine nullsec blocs would develop T1-fit doctrine fleets to accommodate their endless trial members whose only technical involvement in the game is showing up and pressing F1 (because N+1 is always better) CCP could add some "concierge" features (cf: 'Greed is Good' issue of Fearless) to encourage people to subscribe, even for a month or two at a time. Some initial thoughts: Limits on wallet capacity (where would the excess go? free ISK for CONCORD? sell orders get cancelled?) Limits on hangar capacity or number of hangars Restrictions on LP stores (or simply have agents/incursions not award LP to unlicensed pilots) Restrictions on the ISK value of items on the market (i.e.: total in escrow) Endless trials would be a more attractive alternative to the "hardcore sudden death with faster skill training" option proposed by one of the devs at EVE Vegas. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Salpun Global Telstar Federation Offices Nerfed Alliance Go Away 793	Posted - 2014.10.25 00:50:08 - [34] - Quote How are we suppose to be able to test these features using Sisi alts if we cannot make true trial accounts on Sisi. If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide See you around the universe.
Greygal Redemption Road Affirmative. 251	Posted - 2014.10.25 04:15:45 - [35] - Quote Are trials restricted from CREATING corporations? If not, are they restricted from declaring war? What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. Free weekly public roams and monthly NewBro new player roams! Visit http://www.redemption-road.com or join mailing list REDEMPTION ROAMS for more information
Nimrodion Globaltech Industries Yulai Federation 43	Posted - 2014.10.25 11:50:09 - [36] - Quote Nice changes overall, but several things need to be considered before the implementation: - Is there some rule in place to prevent people from running trial accounts on industrial scale? This is EVE after all, if it can be done - someone will do it. - As far as I know, all planets contain shared PI resources, and the more people mine the same pockets of resources the less each of them gets. So, what's to stop someone from creating a farm of trial accounts and ruining their competitors planets for prolonged periods of time?
Alstevar Eastern Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.10.25 12:42:31 - [37] - Quote A lot of good things for trials but i have bad feeling for one ; Quote: Trial accounts are no longer limited in the ways they can send and receive ISK. = More spamming trial bots and players in channels for isks. Your effective personal standings need to be higher to see the player's signature.

CCP Cognac C C P C C P Alliance 5	Posted - 2014.10.25 14:08:58 - [38] - Quote Greygal wrote: Are trials restricted from CREATING corporations? If not, are they restricted from declaring war? no and no


CCP Cognac C C P C C P Alliance 5	Posted - 2014.10.25 14:12:49 - [39] - Quote Alstevar Eastern wrote: A lot of good things for trials but i have bad feeling for one ; Quote: Trial accounts are no longer limited in the ways they can send and receive ISK. = More spamming trial bots and players in channels for isks. this is one of the things that we will be following closely. But our main focus was , we don't want to restrict the many for the assholery of the few. The old trials had a lot of restrictions like that and our aim was to give players the freedom the enjoy eve as much as possible in the limited time that the trial is and instead handle the bad apples accordingly

Max Kolonko High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance 477	Posted - 2014.10.25 15:30:24 - [40] - Quote more trial suicide gankers Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?

Samsara Toldya Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 85	Posted - 2014.10.25 17:53:53 - [41] - Quote Are those changes in any way related to what you call "new player experience"? If not, just ignore the rest of my posting. Maybe you should consider to give a little bit (a whole lot more!) support on what you call "official help channels". I know new players are asked to RTFM! - if there is any. If it isn't outdated. Try monitoring the german help channel for example - see how many ISD/GM/CCP went there to help new players, answer questions or at least stop the neverending smalltalk flooding the channel making it impossible to ask for help from time to time. As far as I remember the last ISD showed up in july We have one GM showing up each time a new release went live (for about an hour) And I think I've seen a CCP twice within the last six weeks. I fail to see how a battleship (which a trial most likely couldn't afford, fit or use...) is going to keep players interested. Yes, if I can bait him into joining FW with his battleship to kill all those weak frigates there... it may keep existing players motivated. But I do see a bunch of players asking questions about the tutorial, about fitting a destroyer, about what to do - day by day. Best is: You don't need to wait until Phoebe, you could improve the new player experience literally right now. Give a trial a battleship and you entertain him for a day. Teach a trial to use a battleship and you entertain him for a lifetime.
Annia Aurel J-CORP 1	Posted - 2014.10.25 19:23:13 - [42] - Quote I would not want to see this info everywhere. Can't remember when/if I had a trial account. Wouldn't it be possible to show this info only to the affected trial accounts? Also, why the negative form? Negative: "This skill cannot be trained on trial accounts." Positive: "You will be able to train this skill as soon as you upgrade to a full account."
13kr1d1 Hedion University Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2014.10.25 20:28:08 - [43] - Quote CCP Cognac wrote: Alstevar Eastern wrote: A lot of good things for trials but i have bad feeling for one ; Quote: Trial accounts are no longer limited in the ways they can send and receive ISK. = More spamming trial bots and players in channels for isks. this is one of the things that we will be following closely. But our main focus was , we don't want to restrict the many for the assholery of the few. The old trials had a lot of restrictions like that and our aim was to give players the freedom the enjoy eve as much as possible in the limited time that the trial is and instead handle the bad apples accordingly This is also how anyone can actually play Eve for Free. Create trial account. Grind isk. Send all money to new trial account after the timer is up. Grind isk again. Repeat until 800 mil to buy a plex on a trial that can make 800 mil within a month.
Dalilus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 89	Posted - 2014.10.26 05:40:33 - [44] - Quote If I'm not mistaken at the moment one can only play one trial account or your mains and alts but NOT more than one trial account and NOT a trial account with mains and alts at the same time. Will this restriction hold in Phoebe or will we be able to run multiple trial accounts and/or trial accounts with mains and alts at the same time?
Rene Gates SOERI Faction Wars OLD MAN GANG 0	Posted - 2014.10.26 09:00:01 - [45] - Quote I guess t2 small gunnery specializations were good for newbees before they can upgrade their accounts. There is the way to get enough ISK into faction warfare for buying the PLEX. It's the way to have enough money and time for PVP. Without t2 ammo there will be less targets to engage. For example, my atron : without t2 charges I could fight with the one tactic - keeping target into 500 m orbit and shoot it with FN antimatter. That's why I couldn't attack blaster frigates and ones with tracking speed bonuse. With T2 ammo I can to kill the target with voids keeping approach or shoot out it with kee ping @ 7 km with nulls. So leave t2 small gunnery for trials. Sorry for my horrible English.
Indahmawar Fazmarai 3146	Posted - 2014.10.26 10:22:30 - [46] - Quote CCP will do anything but agree that most subscribers are in EVE for the PvE and hisec, and so improving those items to enable content creation would do more for retention than anything else. "Here's a spade and a bucket, use the spade to hit other players and the bucket to trash their sandcastles as we can't be arsed to develop other ways of using those tools -signed, CCP" The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar

CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 18	Posted - 2014.10.26 17:52:45 - [47] - Quote Rene Gates wrote: I guess t2 small gunnery specializations were good for newbees before they can upgrade their accounts. There is the way to get enough ISK into faction warfare for buying the PLEX. It's the way to have enough money and time for PVP. Without t2 ammo there will be less targets to engage. For example, my atron : without t2 charges I could fight with the one tactic - keeping target into 500 m orbit and shoot it with FN antimatter. That's why I couldn't attack blaster frigates and ones with tracking speed bonuse. With T2 ammo I can to kill the target with voids keeping approach or shoot out it with kee ping @ 7 km with nulls. So leave t2 small gunnery for trials. Sorry for my horrible English. T2 Weapon skill were restricted in order to guide players away from training for them. We feel the 5-7 days spend training for T2 weapons can be spent more enjoyably by trial players on numerous other skills, or training for newer ships.

Gawain Edmond Angry Mustellid The Periphery 103	Posted - 2014.10.26 21:46:07 - [48] - Quote with letting trial accounts into faction warfare it'll make it easy for any milita to bolster their numbers and make plexing/deplexing far too easy wouldn't it be fair if they made it so trial accounts could join fw but were unable to run the plex down to change the system control level

CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 18	Posted - 2014.10.26 22:39:19 - [49] - Quote Gawain Edmond wrote: with letting trial accounts into faction warfare it'll make it easy for any milita to bolster their numbers and make plexing/deplexing far too easy wouldn't it be fair if they made it so trial accounts could join fw but were unable to run the plex down to change the system control level FW issues have been brought up a few times. We will be monitoring what happens, and if it's making a large and negative impact to FW we will re-restrict it.

Arronicus Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra 1199	Posted - 2014.10.27 03:37:24 - [50] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: Gawain Edmond wrote: with letting trial accounts into faction warfare it'll make it easy for any milita to bolster their numbers and make plexing/deplexing far too easy wouldn't it be fair if they made it so trial accounts could join fw but were unable to run the plex down to change the system control level FW issues have been brought up a few times. We will be monitoring what happens, and if it's making a large and negative impact to FW we will re-restrict it. Not to mention the fact that trials cannot be run concurrently on the same computer with other trials, or active accounts, so its not like everyone is going to start plexing with 3 or 4 trials while playing. Maybe 1 or 2, for those with multiple computers or a laptop, but even then,

Samsara Toldya Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 88	Posted - 2014.10.27 09:28:18 - [51] - Quote CCP Terminus wrote: [T2 Weapon skill were restricted in order to guide players away from training for them. We feel the 5-7 days spend training for T2 weapons can be spent more enjoyably by trial players on numerous other skills, or training for newer ships. Let's see... Assault Frigates (if Evemon doesn't fool me) Without remaps and implants we need: our Racial Frigate to V: 11 days and 18 hours Mechanics V: 5 days and 20 hours Power Grid Management V: 5 days and 17 hours 23 days and 7 hours if you want to fly them without gunnery support skills and other uninteresting stuff like capacitor. Racial Frigate IV to V, Mechanics IV to V and Powergrid Management IV to V alone exceed your (extented) trial period and keep you 20+ days without any progression. If you think T2 small weapons are a bad choice because it locks a trial 5-7 days withouth progression, think twice about the Assault Frigates you offer them.
Arcos Vandymion White Beast Inc. 70	Posted - 2014.10.27 10:58:09 - [52] - Quote Sven Viko VIkolander wrote: ALSO important: Some of the career agents direct new players to the Sisters of EVE line--and it is common for trial players to do this mission line. However, if the new player joins FW in Amarr or Caldari, they will get killed by faction police in Arnon. If you do the SoE arc while participating in any sort of FW you'll be roflstomped by ridiculously fit OP NPCs anyway since you're being handed once around the ENTIRE cluster anyway. Looks good - I mean now at least the big giant orange "give us your money" signs explain why stuff is limited. Until there would be infinite trials however I don't quite see the point of locking XL ships. Of the top of my head I personally still need somewhere around 4 months to fly a carrier if I'd start to train for it now - after having 40m SP spread to the one or other skill. I don't think there is a trial quite long enough to reach XL ships is what I want to say I guess.

CCP Terminus C C P C C P Alliance 20	Posted - 2014.10.27 11:21:55 - [53] - Quote Arcos Vandymion wrote: Sven Viko VIkolander wrote: ALSO important: Some of the career agents direct new players to the Sisters of EVE line--and it is common for trial players to do this mission line. However, if the new player joins FW in Amarr or Caldari, they will get killed by faction police in Arnon. If you do the SoE arc while participating in any sort of FW you'll be roflstomped by ridiculously fit OP NPCs anyway since you're being handed once around the ENTIRE cluster anyway. Looks good - I mean now at least the big giant orange "give us your money" signs explain why stuff is limited. Until there would be infinite trials however I don't quite see the point of locking XL ships. Of the top of my head I personally still need somewhere around 4 months to fly a carrier if I'd start to train for it now - after having 40m SP spread to the one or other skill. I don't think there is a trial quite long enough to reach XL ships is what I want to say I guess. A lot of the capital skill restriction additions are for clarity purposes. In the current trial we don't inform new players in any way that they cannot get to these kinds of ships in the time given. This is also a form of future-proofing, in that even if we extended the time of trials by a significant amount we would still be restricting capital ships for balance reasons.

Arronicus Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra 1200	Posted - 2014.10.27 11:25:19 - [54] - Quote Arcos Vandymion wrote: Sven Viko VIkolander wrote: ALSO important: Some of the career agents direct new players to the Sisters of EVE line--and it is common for trial players to do this mission line. However, if the new player joins FW in Amarr or Caldari, they will get killed by faction police in Arnon. If you do the SoE arc while participating in any sort of FW you'll be roflstomped by ridiculously fit OP NPCs anyway since you're being handed once around the ENTIRE cluster anyway. Looks good - I mean now at least the big giant orange "give us your money" signs explain why stuff is limited. Until there would be infinite trials however I don't quite see the point of locking XL ships. Of the top of my head I personally still need somewhere around 4 months to fly a carrier if I'd start to train for it now - after having 40m SP spread to the one or other skill. I don't think there is a trial quite long enough to reach XL ships is what I want to say I guess. While CCP already pointed out that they plan to keep them locked, etc, etc; you can get a brand new character into a carrier in something like 6 months. (I plan to run the numbers later, I actually want to figure out how long it will take me to make some holding alts). So, under 14m sp or so.
Okapist The First Foundation SOLAR FLEET 30	Posted - 2014.10.27 15:43:51 - [55] - Quote And what about trial suicide gankers?
Arcos Vandymion White Beast Inc. 72	Posted - 2014.10.27 17:26:43 - [56] - Quote Arronicus wrote: While CCP already pointed out that they plan to keep them locked, etc, etc; you can get a brand new character into a carrier in something like 6 months. (I plan to run the numbers later, I actually want to figure out how long it will take me to make some holding alts). So, under 14m sp or so. Slightly below 7m SP in about 5 months assuming no implants for absolutely barebones - you can undock with it but that's about it. Cloak, any sort of tank and whatever else is fitted allowing stuff to stay onlined probably adds the same amount again so 14m SP is probably very close. When I say fly I mean "actually being usefull while fielding it" - going by the assumption that my piloting skills with said ship would just suddenly spring out of nowhere and I don't behave like a complete idiot fielding it (a battleship is flown differently than a frigate as well 'innit?). "The one or other skill" would be 307, 308 in about 16 hours, different skills so I'm a bit spread out actually. In case you're wondering what that looks like go to eveboard ^^. "Future proofing" is nice - can we have Dogma to future proof the system for FRIGGIN-HUEG fleetbattles though? (which will become less likely/occur less often with the changes to the long distance travel which may or may not be a good thing - the logs will show after the fact). If - in any sort of potentiall future - you lengthen the trials so considerably that one could train for an actuall carrier pilot you should think about unlocking T2 small weapons again. AFs without T2 weapons are a bit hilarious TBH and T1 frigates without T2 weapons aren't the most competitive sort of fits either. Show people what is possible and all that - Scorch for example is such a massive performance increase to Pulse lasers you'll never want to go without it again once you can use it. Null is a comparable step up in usefulness - can't say for Barrage as projectiles completely elude me and missiles are boring either way but Blasters and Energy weapons to my experience play drastically different at T2 compared to T1.
Nicen Jehr Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective 404	Posted - 2014.10.27 22:15:38 - [57] - Quote Please consider my suggestion from EVE Vegas: I have recently told a few people about EVE but they signed up for trials before knowing they could use my referral link. On the page https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/ can you add a section like: "If you get a referral link from a current EVE Pilot, you can extend your trial for an extra week. If you upgrade to a full account, your buddy will earn rewards. Click here to see standing referral offers from pilots." I would also like a box on the trial signup page where I can simply type the name of the pilot who referred me instead of using his link. I would also like to be able to retroactively set a referral, if I create a trial and then, sometime during my trial period, decide that I would like to use the buddy program. Little Things to improve GëíGïüGëí-á\| My Little Things posts
Sam Spock The Scope Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2014.10.28 15:40:51 - [58] - Quote Every solo miner with two computers will be training Miasmos pilot trials now. Probably not a bad thing. I know I could have used one! It does help with the consistency during the career missions. They give you two racial industrial for completing missions but until this patch you can't use them until you sub. This way a newbie can get right into region trading. Since you are unlocking PI you should perhaps add some of that to the career missions? As for cloaking, maybe you could create a Civilian Cloak. Only activates for like 10 minutes and has a long re-activation delay. Not very useful for afk camping but would at least let them explore null a little and go to the bathroom once and a while!


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