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Veras Mendacity	Posted - 2006.08.20 21:08:00 - [1] Having just moved to a low sec system, my ears are not yet used to the screams of the dying. So I have been thinking about fitting a rescue ship out of either a Condor or a Blackbird. I picked a Condor first because I don't have a lot of money to spend on Blackbirds while experimenting with rescue operations. The Condor I fitted with 3 NOS, 2 Shield Extenders and a Warp Core Stabilizer. I figured on spending some time in a safe spot in a dangerous system, looking out for my corp mates and waiting for a cry for help. I would then warp in, NOS the pirate and tell the victim to beat it back to station. Then I would beat it back to my safe spot. Please tell me how effective you think this setup would be for that purpose. For the Blackbird, I suppose the core setup would be 3 NOS, 3 ECM, WCS -- with other stuff mixed in as my skills allow. I might even be able to take down a few weakened pirates if I equiped a Heavy Missile Launcher, and pay for my humanitarianism with a bounty or two. Please tell me what you would do to fit a Blackbird as a rescue ship -- or if you think the idea just won't work. I searched for threads on "rescue ships" but could find none. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.20 21:25:00 - [2] Thats a pretty cool idea :) The blackbird would be perfect for it. Warp in, jam the bad guy, everyone runs away. Condors would suck for it I'd think. For one, the only thing you'd have a chance against would be frigate sized pirates, which I think are actually pretty rare. Ive seen a lot of pirates in cruisers in .1-.4 space but never have I seen onein a frig. If they are in a t1frig, there's probably a good chance they'll be in a kessy or rifter, in which case they'll probably just laugh at your nos and blow you up too. +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.20 22:50:00 - [3] There is slight flaw in the plan :) Warp in - jam/nos - KILL (with the help of would-be-victim)
Mr Peanut The New Empire R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.21 00:12:00 - [4] 3 nos on a condor aren't going to save anyone. Also, if you are just looking to remove energy, don't use nos. Use neut. Medium and small nos are significantly less effective than large ones, unbalancing it because it nosses the same ammount regardless of ship size (yes, I know, it doesn't make sense). Use a BB; the jam will allow the target to escape or kill (kill is better).
Veras Mendacity	Posted - 2006.08.21 00:15:00 - [5] OK. (I would like to find some use for the Condor, one day, tho!) So, I will start playing with fittings for a Blackbird rescue ship. I would appreciate any advise on making this as safe as possible for the rescuer, tho. I can afford to lose one. But I can't afford to lose five!
Kashre Minmatar Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.21 00:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Veras Mendacity OK. (I would like to find some use for the Condor, one day, tho!) So, I will start playing with fittings for a Blackbird rescue ship. I would appreciate any advise on making this as safe as possible for the rescuer, tho. I can afford to lose one. But I can't afford to lose five! The best advice any ever gave anyone else in this game is "don't fly something you can't afford to lose". Aside from that, 2 WCS, a sensor booster, and 4-5 multispec jammers is pretty much the way to go. you realize you're in for some long, boring days sitting around at a SS waiting for a pirate to attack someone right? :P +++ "Etiquette is for the Dojo. In war there is only victory or death." - Eiji Yoshikawa
Iota Belisarius Procurare Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.08.21 00:26:00 - [7] Trying to nos someone into submission with a condor to allow your allys escape is about as effective as an Ibis is at mining Ice. Neither work. ---------------------
Veras Mendacity	Posted - 2006.08.21 00:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Iota Belisarius Trying to nos someone into submission with a condor to allow your allys escape is about as effective as an Ibis is at mining Ice. Neither work. That's what I needed to know, thanks.
Veras Mendacity	Posted - 2006.08.21 00:53:00 - [9] Here is what I came up with for the BBird: Highs: Heavy Missle Launcer w/Scourge, 3 NOS Mids: 10MN MWD, 2 Cap Batteries, 3 Multispec ECMs Lows: Warp Stab, Capacitor Power Relay Anything I could improve upon, here? Again, the idea is to warp in to the belt, NOS/Jam, free the victim while protecting myself. The MWD is to get into range hopefully before the aggressor can react to me. Is the Warp Stab a good idea? Maybe I don't need it if the aggressor is vampired/jammed. Are 3 NOS enough? Too much? Any help is appreciated.
Mr Peanut The New Empire R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.21 00:55:00 - [10] The only important part of a BB rescue setup is 4-5 multispecs and 2-3 WCS. Jam until victim warps away, then warp away yourself.
Commander Thrawn Fluffy rabbit killer's inc	Posted - 2006.08.21 01:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Veras Mendacity Here is what I came up with for the BBird: Highs: Heavy Missle Launcer w/Scourge, 3 NOS Mids: 10MN MWD, 2 Cap Batteries, 3 Multispec ECMs Lows: Warp Stab, Capacitor Power Relay Anything I could improve upon, here? Again, the idea is to warp in to the belt, NOS/Jam, free the victim while protecting myself. The MWD is to get into range hopefully before the aggressor can react to me. Is the Warp Stab a good idea? Maybe I don't need it if the aggressor is vampired/jammed. Are 3 NOS enough? Too much? Any help is appreciated. take a out those cap batteries, and put in 2 more multispecs, better chance of jamming, and your nos should fuel you long enough to get away. same thing with the lows, remove the cap relay and put in another stab
Lumel Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.08.21 04:19:00 - [12] Edited by: Lumel on 21/08/2006 04:20:23 Forgive me if I'm thinking of the Scorpion, but I believe a well skilled Blackbird pilot can jam at least up to 80ish km, so assuming you've got the skills for that range, I probably wouldn't worry about an AB or anything like that. Just stick as many ECMs in the mids as possible. Multispecs, or if you happen to know that your system is frequented by pirates that fly certain racial ships you could probably swap one or two Multispecs for racial jammers, but since you can fit six Multispecs I'm not sure that it's even neccesary to do anything else. Highs can be NOS or maybe Heavy or Standard Missile launchers, lows RCU/PDU/maybe sensor boosters. Your ECM is your tank. --- Knowledge won't help us understand
Ginaz Veto.	Posted - 2006.08.21 05:24:00 - [13] ***** wcs **s ------------------------------------------------ Fck milk.... got beer? Video: 'Pilgrim - Behind enemy lines' Veto ftw
IScorpI QUANT Corp.	Posted - 2006.08.21 05:28:00 - [14] pff, learn to grow a pair and take the loss of your ship. BTW, rescue ships such as a condor is futile, because i just shrug off those small nos and pop you too. Retarded idea IMO.
Pinky Denmark	Posted - 2006.08.21 05:57:00 - [15] 1 LARGE Capacitor Battery and 1-2 Capacitor Power Relays should be more than enough cap to run 3-4 jammers forever until death and very heavy nossing... Pinky
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.21 06:06:00 - [16] Griffin. You can get a BPO for less than 1/2 the price of a BBird. I bet you have better frig skills than cruiser skills, too. Fit 2x multi-specs, and Caldari & Gallente jammer. CPRs int he lows. Warp in at 40-60, jam while you're aligning to warp out. Once you get a jam, and your buddy's safe, hit warp. Type "lol" in local. -- 1 in 10 chance to win a battleship!
Photonite	Posted - 2006.08.21 06:36:00 - [17] Edited by: Photonite on 21/08/2006 06:39:40 Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Griffin. You can get a BPO for less than 1/2 the price of a BBird. I bet you have better frig skills than cruiser skills, too. Fit 2x multi-specs, and Caldari & Gallente jammer. CPRs int he lows. Warp in at 40-60, jam while you're aligning to warp out. Once you get a jam, and your buddy's safe, hit warp. Type "lol" in local. Rofl, nice idea actually. Griffins are usefull in frig raids, why not in rescue ops then? :D I used a slight variation though, i had 3x multispecs and 1x capbooster in mids, and full cargo of 100u, 50u, and 25u cap charges.

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