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Jegrey Dozer Ruatha Holdings 42	Posted - 2014.10.28 08:30:22 - [1] - Quote Has there been any formal explanation given on the discrepancies between these two modules? This website, http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/24/eve-evolved-new-ancillary-armor-repairers-arent-up-to-the-task/, claims for a measly 5.42% difference in repair amount, in favor of the AAR, the ASB can be used without consuming any capacitor, has a cycle time 300% faster, and does not share the AAR's one module per ship stipulation. I mainly fly frigate sized hulls, so perhaps these modules pan out different in larger ships, but the AAR is unequivocal inferior to the ASB in my tier of PvP. On one hand I do not want to be a cry-baby, but I am having a very difficult time justifying the incredible advantage of using the ASB. The comparison between these two has left me frustrated thinking that many of my fights could have turned out differently if I never had to use any capacitor repairing my ship. Edit: Grammar
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 1990	Posted - 2014.10.28 08:42:41 - [2] - Quote SAAR advantages: . very low fitting requirements . work even when the paste runs out . have 2 rigs to boost performance (both duration AND repair amount; the ASB lacks the latter), with laughable drawbacks . use lowslots; having free midslots is arguably more useful in frigate PVP Not saying they're better or worse than ASBs, but they're certainly useful and effective in many ships, fits and situations. EDIT: otoh, I honestly don't know why AARs are limited to 1 per ship while ASBs aren't Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1846	Posted - 2014.10.28 09:50:48 - [3] - Quote Jegrey Dozer wrote: Has there been any formal explanation given on the discrepancies between these two modules? This website, http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/02/24/eve-evolved-new-ancillary-armor-repairers-arent-up-to-the-task/, claims for a measly 5.42% difference in repair amount, in favor of the AAR, the ASB can be used without consuming any capacitor, has a cycle time 300% faster, and does not share the AAR's one module per ship stipulation. I mainly fly frigate sized hulls, so perhaps these modules pan out different in larger ships, but the AAR is unequivocal inferior to the ASB in my tier of PvP. On one hand, I do not want to be a cry-baby, but I am having a very difficult time justifying the incredible advantage of using the ASB. The comparison between these two has left me frustrated thinking that many of my fights could have turned out differently if I never had to use any capacitor repairing my ship. Edit: Grammar Because that line of tought is completely WRONG. You cannot average the bonus and the panalty after charges run out. You use them when you want to make th fight finish BEFORE your charges run out. They are 66% more efficien than normal repairers, PERIOD. If you will need more than 10 cycles you need a completely different setup. YEs they are inferior to ASBs, but mostly because you can only fit 1. "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Balshem Rozenzweig 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.10.28 12:33:04 - [4] - Quote apples to oranges, anyone? Shields have lower resists, increased requirements for tanking mods, and boosting cannot be improved with rigs. Hardeners take up mid slots and a lot of CPU and it can be a problem also. ASBs are cool, but you cannot compare the two modules directly. "NUTS!!!" - general McAuliffe
Thanatos Marathon Phoibe Enterprises 335	Posted - 2014.10.28 13:11:51 - [5] - Quote but how come my light missiles don't do as much damage as blasters!? BLFOX is currently recruiting
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop 1990	Posted - 2014.10.28 13:17:49 - [6] - Quote Thanatos Marathon wrote: but how come my light missiles don't do as much damage as blasters!? Maybe cuz you're in the wrong Corp now? o7 fearless leader Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
May Arethusa PillowBrigade Inc Heiian Conglomerate 21	Posted - 2014.10.28 17:26:29 - [7] - Quote Thanatos Marathon wrote: but how come my light missiles don't do as much damage as blasters!? I know, right? It's so unfair. I mean CCP isn't even my real dad and he totally doesn't understand me. God, everything he does just makes my life hell. I'm going to run away. That'll teach him.
Starbuck05 Cruentus Invicta 247	Posted - 2014.10.28 23:21:34 - [8] - Quote Or you can just with 1 of each and laugh how the enemy can't break your tank :) -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ??
DJ FunkyBacon Eve Radio Corporation 359	Posted - 2014.10.29 00:21:59 - [9] - Quote ASBs in their most effective setups are hard to fit along with decent resists. Reason being is that for an ASB to be truly effective you have to use an oversized one (medium on a frig, large on a cruiser for example) which eats up a LOT of grid. I think if you compare a small ASB to a small AAR you will find they are comparable, but you can't really oversize AARs on ships. With a right sized AAR on a proper armor ship, you can also make up for some of the shortfall with a better resist profile, which will make those rep points mean more. You have more reaction time to start them up once you start taking damage, and finally, there is a reason most frigs don't want to solo a dual rep incursus where that AAR is being backed up by a t2 rep, and that tank will last loads longer than most frigate ASB setups. Oh... and active armor setups don't give either sig bloom OR speed penalties, and sig bloom from shield rigs/mods can result in more incoming damage to tank as well. CSM9 Factional Warfare/Lowsec Representative Radio Host, Blogger, Lowsec Resident, PvP Afficionado. funkybacon.com - Blog FunkyBacon on Twitter
Plato Forko Forko Nanorobotics 97	Posted - 2014.10.29 01:57:16 - [10] - Quote an SAAR takes only 40GJ to dry rep while an MASB takes 5x more cap to do it. I've pulled many 11th hour wins out of overtime SAAR repping but chances of survival after MASB charges run out is so dubious that 10 cycles might as well be considered the hard limit. My terribad blog where I QQ and rage about Amarr FW

Syrias Bizniz Zebra Corp The Bastion 361	Posted - 2014.10.29 12:30:21 - [11] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: SAAR advantages: . very low fitting requirements . work even when the paste runs out . have 2 rigs to boost performance (both duration AND repair amount; the ASB lacks the latter), with laughable drawbacks . use lowslots; having free midslots is arguably more useful in frigate PVP Not saying they're better or worse than ASBs, but they're certainly useful and effective in many ships, fits and situations. EDIT: otoh, I honestly don't know why AARs are limited to 1 per ship while ASBs aren't; probably because of the low fitting requirements and the fact that they're lowslot mods: most frigs could easily fit 2 or even 3 while maintaining combat-effective mids (prop, point/scram, web) Common misconception: The 'duration' rig is actually NOT boosting the AAR's performance. If you use an aar, you actually say '**** you' to your own tank when you fit that one. They're also limited to 1 per ship because otherwise you could cycle one while the other reloads, and in case of an emergency, keep it cycling without bigger capacitor usage to get that last few seconds of reload through. Which would mean, from 2 reppers that you alternate between, you'd get more than 2 reppers of average repair amount over time.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 649	Posted - 2014.10.29 18:35:44 - [12] - Quote Syrias Bizniz wrote: They're also limited to 1 per ship because otherwise you could cycle one while the other reloads, and in case of an emergency, keep it cycling without bigger capacitor usage to get that last few seconds of reload through. Which would mean, from 2 reppers that you alternate between, you'd get more than 2 reppers of average repair amount over time. This is my take on it. If unloaded AARs sucked your cap dry like ASBs do, they'd likely not have the "1 per ship" limit. Allowing 2 current AARs on a ship would be overpowered. Personally, I like things just the way they are now. Both useful, both similar, yet also still distinctly different as armor and shield tanks should be. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content.
Gaan Cathal Angry Mustellid The Periphery 13	Posted - 2014.10.29 23:11:31 - [13] - Quote Because of several points posted above and also because of the other rep module options open to armour ships. Triple-shield-boosted Cyclones have never been a thing, triple-armour-rep Myrmidons pop up whenever "being a solo BC" isn't the worst idea ever. Shield Boosting got a better module because it needed more help, bluntly.
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1158	Posted - 2014.10.29 23:19:45 - [14] - Quote Gaan Cathal wrote: Because of several points posted above and also because of the other rep module options open to armour ships. Triple-shield-boosted Cyclones have never been a thing, triple-armour-rep Myrmidons pop up whenever "being a solo BC" isn't the worst idea ever. Shield Boosting got a better module because it needed more help, bluntly. My quad XL-ASB cyno scorp wants a word with you :p
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 395	Posted - 2014.11.02 09:48:08 - [15] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: Syrias Bizniz wrote: They're also limited to 1 per ship because otherwise you could cycle one while the other reloads, and in case of an emergency, keep it cycling without bigger capacitor usage to get that last few seconds of reload through. Which would mean, from 2 reppers that you alternate between, you'd get more than 2 reppers of average repair amount over time. This is my take on it. If unloaded AARs sucked your cap dry like ASBs do, they'd likely not have the "1 per ship" limit. Allowing 2 current AARs on a ship would be overpowered. Personally, I like things just the way they are now. Both useful, both similar, yet also still distinctly different as armor and shield tanks should be. Depending on your shield ship it can be beneficial to fit both ASB and regular boosters only using the ASB when things get ugly or your capacitor runs empty. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing


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