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C3RN
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Posted - 2006.08.21 19:08:00 -
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Please elaborate on which ship is better in pvp under certain situations. I need help deciding which one to fly. Thanks.
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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy rabbit killer's inc
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Posted - 2006.08.21 19:10:00 -
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curse more sucking power and range
pilgrim, slitly better tank
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ElCoCo
Gallente
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.21 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: ElCoCo on 21/08/2006 19:14:33
Pilgrim is a nice solo pwnmobile cause it's damage output isn't affected by lack of available highslots... 
(edit:while having the element of surprise using the cloak ofc)
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Wrayeth
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.21 19:19:00 -
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Pilgrim (and Verone) ftw!
-Wrayeth
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C3RN
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Posted - 2006.08.21 19:28:00 -
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What gives the pilgrim more damage? and can you take out a bs or would it take to long? (since the target jammers f*ck up the bs's turrets).
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ElCoCo
Gallente
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.21 19:50:00 -
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 Originally by: C3RN
What gives the pilgrim more damage? and can you take out a bs or would it take to long? (since the target jammers f*ck up the bs's turrets).
It has more damage compared to other cloak-able recons while still having enough slots to suck and jam... pretty neat, my alt loves it
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Ginaz
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.21 19:56:00 -
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Pilgrim = solo very good since your damage is coming from drones and nos/ecm is little bit overpowered
Curse = nice gang support
But Arazu is a nice solo ship aswell, same counts for lachesis. Both can deal a fair amount of damage while surviving well (damps + ecm + range)
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:04:00 -
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Curse, if you can't figure out why, don't bother.
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Xenon Cypher
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:07:00 -
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I recently took a navy raven out with a curse...
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Idara
Caldari
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:11:00 -
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Pilgrim is nice because you can warp in cloaked and have the advantage of jumping an unknowing target.
Which means you don't need the range bonus on nosses because you get to engage at point blank.
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:25:00 -
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Also pilgrim has 5th loslot which it can use for goodies like stab/nanofiber/another hardener ;p
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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy rabbit killer's inc
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
Pilgrim is nice because you can warp in cloaked and have the advantage of jumping an unknowing target.
Which means you don't need the range bonus on nosses because you get to engage at point blank.
range on the curse allows you to outrange BS heavy nos therefore making you nos that much more leathal. curse cannot do this and can only fit 3 nos with the cloac. which means a vamp BS will outnos it.
curse is better solo ship IMO but they both pretty much rock.
pilgrim has a slitly better tank due to the extra low and extra 300hp even tho it does have lower base resistance. that extra low more than makes up for it
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Agent2 Holtze
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:53:00 -
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Curse = Pilgrim
They got different roles and each got some advatages and disadvantages.
Posting and you!
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.21 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Idara
Pilgrim is nice because you can warp in cloaked and have the advantage of jumping an unknowing target.
Which means you don't need the range bonus on nosses because you get to engage at point blank.
The (theoretical) problem which I see there is that you first have to travel to your target cloaked at base speed. Which is for the pilgrim with nav 5 about 220 ms, aka s-l-o-w. Giving your target plenty of time to get to a SS should it pay attention to local.
Since you basically need an low-attention target, is the advantage of a cloak so significant?
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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy rabbit killer's inc
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Posted - 2006.08.21 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Idara
Pilgrim is nice because you can warp in cloaked and have the advantage of jumping an unknowing target.
Which means you don't need the range bonus on nosses because you get to engage at point blank.
The (theoretical) problem which I see there is that you first have to travel to your target cloaked at base speed. Which is for the pilgrim with nav 5 about 220 ms, aka s-l-o-w. Giving your target plenty of time to get to a SS should it pay attention to local.
Since you basically need an low-attention target, is the advantage of a cloak so significant?
you just have to sit in the belt cloacked and wait for them to come to you, works best if they don't know you're a pirate and fly a pilgrim
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HippoKing
Caldari
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.21 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Agent2 Holtze
Curse = Pilgrim
They got different roles and each got some advatages and disadvantages.
Correct
On the othenr hand, if I was to be only be able to fly one or the other, I'd go for the Pilgrim, because it is cloakable, and thus the ultimate belt piracy ship.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.21 21:50:00 -
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Pilgrim vs Curse
I have both - The Curse is one hell of a DPS machine - 4 launchers + drones and a Shield tank that would make a raven proud, with enough lows for Ballistics or wcs if you are that way inclined. In a PvP Gang, while you do 500+ DPS of any damagetype while tanking like a monster.
Or you can do the cookie cutter curse, fit all med nos or a few small nos if you want a 1600 plate. But you guys all know that setup. What you can also do, if you find you curse being called primary a lot, is put a Xlarge booster on it and all Med nos - That curse will have enough Nos at a high enough range to maintain the super tank that even battleship pilots can dream of! I have tested that and it scared the hell of the guys that were taking me on. If you want to do this, then you need all your lows for fitting mods.
The Pilgrim is more of a solo ship - good for picking you targets, decent tank, and if able to do a decent amount of damage with its drones. If you stuly of play involves hunting, then the pilgrim is for you. There is no point to the pilgrim without the Cov Ops cloak though, which is the same price as a Curse ATM
So if you want to be versitile, intresting PvP or the new Lvl4 Solopwnmobile, get the curse. If you want to hide in shadows, pick your fights and sneak behind enemy lines - Get the Pilgrim
Or do what I do and get both!
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.21 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 21/08/2006 21:55:33
Originally by: Commander Thrawn
you just have to sit in the belt cloacked and wait for them to come to you, works best if they don't know you're a pirate and fly a pilgrim
Hehe, I am probably too paranoid there. When I noticed someone else in the system when I am ratting who isn't in my alliance (or a has a NAP) I am *always* SSing and leaving the system if he stays there (unless my scanner shows a ship which cannot be a problem).
Originally by: Lord WarATron
..the new Lvl4 Solopwnmobile, get the curse...
Any experiences there? Was thinking about using a curse for NPCing (among other things) as well. The problem is that I would think that you will need Nos to be able to tank there (unless perhaps you are going into officer loot country), so all your dps will come from 2 heavys, 2 meds and 1 light drone. Is that enough for lvl4s?
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Wufong Wei
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.08.21 22:13:00 -
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Curse has the same 75m3 dronebay as a Pilgrim...so you could carry 5 mediums and 5 lights if you wanted to. Or three heavies.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
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Posted - 2006.08.21 22:18:00 -
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2 meds and 1 light do more dps than 1 heavy, so 2 heavy, 2 med, 1 light is the highest dps combo for 75m¦.
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Kidd Billups
ORDER OF THE WOMBLES
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Posted - 2006.08.21 23:39:00 -
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The Curse and Pilgrim arent better than one another. The Pilgrim has a way better tank than the curse because the powergrid allows to fit a 800mm where as the curse cannot fit a 400mm easily. However, the Curse has an extra med for a Jammer/Tracking disrupt. Pirates prefer pilgrims because of the cloak. Thought it does get annoying when you warp in a belt and your within 2000m of a roid and it uncloacks you and you look like an idiot :P
My point: Pilgrim better solo, Curse better for gang :D
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Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.22 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Pilgrim (and Verone) ftw!
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Lock out
Bald Industrial Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.22 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Pilgrim (and Verone) ftw!
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C3RN
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Posted - 2006.08.22 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Agent2 Holtze
Curse = Pilgrim
They got different roles and each got some advatages and disadvantages.
Correct
On the othenr hand, if I was to be only be able to fly one or the other, I'd go for the Pilgrim, because it is cloakable, and thus the ultimate belt piracy ship.
The curse isnt cloakable?
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Lock out
Bald Industrial Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.22 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: C3RN
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Agent2 Holtze
Curse = Pilgrim
They got different roles and each got some advatages and disadvantages.
Correct
On the othenr hand, if I was to be only be able to fly one or the other, I'd go for the Pilgrim, because it is cloakable, and thus the ultimate belt piracy ship.
The curse isnt cloakable?
No covert ops cloak. Regular cloaks can be used on it just like any other ship, though I can't think of any reason why you'd want to. |
C3RN
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Posted - 2006.08.22 04:42:00 -
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seeing as i can't logon, do you mind telling me what the diff between the 2 is?
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
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Posted - 2006.08.22 04:58:00 -
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They are both good ships... Pilgrim is my solo ship of choice on my alt. I also use it in gangs because I haven't gone back to empire to buy a curse yet. It does well. But I'd rather have a curse for a gang.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.22 06:56:00 -
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Pilgrim for solo work is top notch, can kill any ship save for nos domi if fit right. Curse it a total pwnmobile in gangs small and large. My Curse can kill a HAC's cap instantly at 30km+ as soon as I have lock and ECM/tracking disrupt plenty more ships with all my mids. Just be careful, you'll get called primary a lot if they notice you are in a Curse. Its not horribly bad though because if they don't have a covert on you and see you are in a Curse, they won't pay attention to you until all the BS are dead (usually).
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.22 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kidd Billups
The Curse and Pilgrim arent better than one another. The Pilgrim has a way better tank than the curse because the powergrid allows to fit a 800mm where as the curse cannot fit a 400mm easily. However, the Curse has an extra med for a Jammer/Tracking disrupt. Pirates prefer pilgrims because of the cloak. Thought it does get annoying when you warp in a belt and your within 2000m of a roid and it uncloacks you and you look like an idiot :P
My point: Pilgrim better solo, Curse better for gang :D
The Curse tank is far better than the pilgrim's. Curse dont work well with armour tank, with shield tank, they easaly outtank a apoc.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.22 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Lord WarATron
..the new Lvl4 Solopwnmobile, get the curse...
Any experiences there? Was thinking about using a curse for NPCing (among other things) as well. The problem is that I would think that you will need Nos to be able to tank there (unless perhaps you are going into officer loot country), so all your dps will come from 2 heavys, 2 meds and 1 light drone. Is that enough for lvl4s?
Using 2heavy, 2 med 1 light and 4 launchers + mednos and a 6 slot shield tank, it is easaly doing lvl4's so far. And I have have a weeks worth of shield skills compared to my 1year + maxout of all armour tanking skills. You really appreciate the shield tank with the curse.
Remember - The Curse is a super version of the Cerb
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