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Roy Batty68
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Posted - 2006.08.22 17:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Miss Overlord
sure beats the RONA scam of 40B - just waiting for someone to try and outdo it - hat goes off to u tho
if someone kills someone thats murder you go to prison... you kill ten people you go to texas they hit you with a brick, thats what they do, 20 people you go to a hospital and they look at you through a small window forever and over that we cant deal with it... ya know... someones killed a 100,000 people we're almost going WEEEEELL DONE! You've killed a 100,000 people? You must get up very early in the morning. I cant even get down to the gym. Your dowry must look odd. get up in the morning death death death death death death lunch death death death afternoon tea death death death quick shower
- Eddie Izzard
If someone scammed a small corp out of a couple bil using a trusted position, you guys would respond with, "Yeah... slime ball". This guy rips off 790bil and he's a hero?
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HippoKing
Caldari
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.22 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Epsilon 1
Originally by: Kieli Rast
Originally by: Epsilon 1
This man won eve
Not quite, im only 25% of the way there 
I give you 5 months to scam the **** out of jita *****s for 700b isk.
He won EVE.
Kieli is him 
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Kieli Rast
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Posted - 2006.08.22 17:55:00 -
[33]
Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Kieli Rast
Who needs style when you have 790 billion isk?
Therein lies the fundamental difference in our motivation to play EVE.
Reading about GHSC's operation made me see a whole new, almost magical depth to EVE. Sure, it was glittered up for the press, but it made me want to pick up EVE and become involved with the universe, its politics and its people. It was great to be a part of it.
Reading about the EIB scam just serves to remind me of how many carebears there are whose sole purpose is to harvest virtual money and take little further part in the "game". More so than the average trip through Jita local. Quite frankly, it makes me want to throw EVE away... 
Dont slam the door on your way out..
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Pyxee
Turbulent Subversion
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Posted - 2006.08.22 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Pyxee on 22/08/2006 17:57:44
Originally by: inSpirAcy
Reading about the EIB scam just serves to remind me of how many carebears there are whose sole purpose is to harvest virtual money and take little further part in the "game". More so than the average trip through Jita local. Quite frankly, it makes me want to throw EVE away...
The "carebear" side of EVE is pretty much half the game, and if that's what gets them going, I have no problem with it.
If you want to throw away a game over the fact that other people enjoy different things than you..
Funny how that works.
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Meloku
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Posted - 2006.08.22 18:14:00 -
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Has anybody seen screenshots of this guys wallet?
I don't believe the 790b figure for one second.
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Elmicker
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Posted - 2006.08.22 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 22/08/2006 18:41:14
The screenie showed a wallet @ 660bil, can't find the link right now though. Frankly, anyone who fell for what was such a blatant pyramid scam deserved to lose their money and the people whinging about "oooh, but he cheated," need to realise that all he said was "give me your money" and people were stupid enough to do it. Piracy and scams are part of the eve universe, and people love a villain as much as they love a hero so for that, i'll certainly be listening to this :).
edit:Link UnearthTd
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ACIX REBORN
EVE NEWS NETWORK
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Posted - 2006.08.22 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: ACIX REBORN on 22/08/2006 20:08:41
ah nice move into events forum..........
www.EVE-NN.com - [email protected]
new site and forums are here
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Joss Sparq
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Posted - 2006.08.23 07:40:00 -
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Conditional that the interview doesn't become prolific with egomanic self-grooming that has been implied prior to this post, it could at least be ... a very interesting listen. I for one am impressed with the means to the end, if not the actual end itself. I've never been a big forums reader, so when I stumbled across EIB it was well established ... mea culpa. I invested up to a total of 75,000,000.00 at one time, though it be a small drop in the ocean. I pulled 50,000,000.00 out before EIB ran into "Difficulties", heh.
I have to at least tip my hat at being offered " temporary credit " on the amount I had invested that at the time I was told couldn't yet be confirmed, that was quite a quick witted turn.
Pity, in retrospect, I didn't take them up on it, hee. 
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Meloku
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Posted - 2006.08.23 10:51:00 -
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Five reasons why that screenshot could be fake. Not photoshop fake, but SiSi fake.
1. The conversation is very generic, and doesn't look real at all.
2. No bank records are shown.
3. UI is unchanged. Most veteran pilots change it.
4. Very few people go to that system, and for what reason?
5. 3 out of 4 portraits in that station are loaded, which suggests they are alts of his.
The server also went down around midnight on August 8th. I haven't been able to find out if it was before that screenshot was taken or not.
If Dentara Rast wants to prove his case, he will do the following:
1. Go to Jita
2. Start up Fraps, which according to that screenshot he obviously has.
3. Record 5-10 seconds with his local chat, a trade channel chat and his wallet + transactions shown.
4. Post this video un-encoded on Eve-files.
So far your story seems hardly believable. The sum of 700b ISK seems far fetched and rediculus to be honest.
Right now I see this as the biggest lie in EVE, not the biggest scam.
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.23 13:37:00 -
[40]
Originally by: inSpirAcy
Originally by: Kieli Rast
Who needs style when you have 790 billion isk?
Therein lies the fundamental difference in our motivation to play EVE.
Reading about GHSC's operation made me see a whole new, almost magical depth to EVE. Sure, it was glittered up for the press, but it made me want to pick up EVE and become involved with the universe, its politics and its people. It was great to be a part of it.
Reading about GHSC's operation is directly responsible for me and a dozen other friends to start playing EVE.
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Reading about the EIB scam just serves to remind me of how many carebears there are whose sole purpose is to harvest virtual money and take little further part in the "game". More so than the average trip through Jita local. Quite frankly, it makes me want to throw EVE away...
If I had read about the EIB scam instead of GHSC's operation, I most likely would not have given EVE a try.
Recruiting
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Kieli Rast
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Posted - 2006.08.23 13:54:00 -
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Uhm... I cant goto Lagta (security status) and even if I could, im not going to coz I have no need to prove anything to anyone.
Who are you EMFi?? 
Anything that can be displayed in the form of graphics on a computer screen can be edited, wether its screenshots or fraps movies.... I have done it many times before.
The only way your going to see if my score is what I claimed is if I give you my login details to see for yourself.
Thats NEVER going to happen though....
I guess your just going to have to speculate for a while longer and not get any closure on those burning questions that keep you awake at night.
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Meloku
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.23 14:33:00 -
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So basically you're saying that you won't be posting any proof, which would take you about 3 minutes to do (given you have a character in Jita, which I'm sure you do).
Encouraging.
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Kieli Rast
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Posted - 2006.08.23 15:30:00 -
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No, basicly im saying
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I dont need to do that because I have no need to prove anything.
Even if I did, sure as hell the alt army will demand more and more until all I can do is give the public my account details.
So as a final thought, if you dont like it.... good. Im happy that your still frustrated about the whole debate and glad you have no closure on your question.
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Meloku
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.23 17:06:00 -
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I'm not an alt, and I don't see why this would be difficult at all.
The only reason you wouldn't want to do it would be if you were lying, which you are.
Shameless self-promotion backed by nothing but lies.
Going over the numbers, making some assumptions:
I saw a number of 790b ISK. This means if each investor made you 1 billion ISK, you would have needed 790 investors. I feel this is a fairly balanced number, since the poorer investors will go for a few hundred mill and the richer ones will put in a few billion.
For one person with a life to deal with, keep books of and manage the accounts of 790 is practically impossible. I'd say even half that can't be done. Hell, dealing with 10 people is too much for some.
Lets say you spent 15 minutes speaking to each of these investors via convo. This means you spent a total of 11.850 minutes, or 197 hours, or 8.2 days just dealing with conversations. That's quite a lot of time for somebody who I assume needs to sleep and work. Even if you had 120 days to do it all. It's still about 5 full working weeks.
This also means that every time you logged in, you would have been spammed by a dozen conversations.
The ammount of forum activity we saw when people realized this was a scam was also not dramatic. We had maybe 20 different individuals at most who whined about being scammed. Are people that afraid of admitting to being scammed, or perhaps these people just don't exist?
Dentara will be the only one who ever knows how many customers EIB actually had, but it is my opinion they never exceeded 30-40. A total profit number would make sense if it were in the region of 35-60b ISK.
790b is franky absurd, and insulting.
Now, if Dentara would like to prove me wrong, that would be excellent.
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Kieli Rast
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Posted - 2006.08.23 18:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kieli Rast on 23/08/2006 18:30:27
By my own admission I can edit the fraps to make it appear 100% genuine.
I edited screenshots within 1 minute that EMFi confirmed as 100% genuine.
IF, I decided to do what you asked, and it infact shows what your looking for, you will just as likely rant on and say "tis not proof!!" I demand more!!
Hence a waste of my time, time which I would rather spend masturbating over my self importance.
edit : oh and to confirm the number of people with accounts with the bank, speak to the cashiers who are still trying to keep it running afaik.
At its peak there was around 500 client accounts, of which the tellers had dealt with most of them.
Unless your another who thinks I have 470 Alts 
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Meloku
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kieli Rast
Edited by: Kieli Rast on 23/08/2006 18:30:27
By my own admission I can edit the fraps to make it appear 100% genuine.
I edited screenshots within 1 minute that EMFi confirmed as 100% genuine.
IF, I decided to do what you asked, and it infact shows what your looking for, you will just as likely rant on and say "tis not proof!!" I demand more!!
Hence a waste of my time, time which I would rather spend masturbating over my self importance.
edit : oh and to confirm the number of people with accounts with the bank, speak to the cashiers who are still trying to keep it running afaik.
At its peak there was around 500 client accounts, of which the tellers had dealt with most of them.
Unless your another who thinks I have 470 Alts
I think a nice fraps video showing the following things would please me, and others with doubts:
- 5-15 seconds length
- Shot in Jita with local chat open
- Outside third station with overview shown
- Sidebar enlarged to show the clear date
- Wallet opened and the numbers "roll".
- Uncompressed high-quality
You need a lot of skill (and I mean A LOT) to edit something like that to make it look believable.
If you can't do this simple thing, then obviously there is some problem with the statements you have been making. These "tellers" you speak of just make you look silly.
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Maxell Snow
Gallente
True Core
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Posted - 2006.08.24 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Meloku
You need a lot of skill (and I mean A LOT) to edit something like that to make it look believable.
If you can't do this simple thing, then obviously there is some problem with the statements you have been making. These "tellers" you speak of just make you look silly.
No you don't need a lot of skill to edit something like this. He is right anyway, while this may satisfy you, 20 more will come behind and say they want more. Frankly I don't see why anyone cares. He took advantage of a poorly constructed game mechanic as well as people's faith in humanity. Just ignore the issue and he will go back to his lonely basement and Red Bull.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.08.24 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kieli Rast
I have no need to prove anything
That might hold if you just were quietly enjoying your ISK, laughing at people who are unaware that they were scammed. But no, seems you want to brag about your magnificent heist a lot, and secure your place among the notorious heroes. Don't let it be empty boast, when it is easy to provide proof.
And please don't claim you don't care or don't bother: since you do care a lot about your (post-scam) fame and work (=write) for it.
Seems Currin Trading caused your scam to fail (regardless of all those supportive voices), falling far short of the claimed target scale.
So, some suggestions how to present reasonably evidence:
1. Publish names of the biggest victims and rough amounts gained from each
2a. Pick some _trustable_ fellow (DS, Naphtalia, etc) willing to fly to you/your alt, and in the trade window write big enough ISK amount
2b. Meet some trustable person in station, open chat with him, and record a short fraps right there. Send it to him before you have time to edit it.
I apologize for my nasty tone; I really want to believe in your scam and for the scale of it. I want to be able to tell my non-Eve friends what kind of scams we have here. But as long as this nagging suspicion of mine remains, I can not.
You gave in more easily on that fatal EIB audit that giving far easier proof of the wealth. Why the resistance?
-Lasse
P.S.
And no, you are not the biggest scammer in Eve history. My alt has so far scammed 1725 billions ISK, and the victims do not even know it yet. Once you give reasonably proof about your amount, I'll proof mine too (or back down from my claim). So in the future, please refer to the EIB as 2nd biggest Eve scam.
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Aversin
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.26 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: Miss Overlord
sure beats the RONA scam of 40B - just waiting for someone to try and outdo it - hat goes off to u tho
If someone scammed a small corp out of a couple bil using a trusted position, you guys would respond with, "Yeah... slime ball". This guy rips off 790bil and he's a hero?
The difference is these people gave him their isk, someone who rips off a small corp is most likley stealing it. It's only as hard as realizing the difference between a con man and a burglar.
Originally by: Razner Cerizo
They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
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SiViveC
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.09.02 15:29:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 22/08/2006 08:05:48
Originally by: BlackHole Bob
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
TBH, I wouldnt want to tune in.
Jenny,
Were you one of the victums?
LOL. NO WAI! 
My ISKs stay with me and die with me. I do not hero worship. In this case, I do want to help boost Dentara's ego. I think the scam was big but it is not anything special. Mainly borderline playing like logging in combat or whatever was how the scam was conducted. Dentara even tries to RP the scam in IGS at the moment and to be honest I do not know how is the event going to be played. Scam done by Cally, Dentara not posting, his Caldari sister after some medical operation does the posting, whatever are just not right. There is no continuity in the RP or his/her actions. I see attention seeking and do not wish to participate in boosting his ego. Scamming 1 trillion is a lot of ISKs but taking a **** of the community after that is something I find degrading or a turn off. I might even boycott EvE-NN for a while. Sorry.
Just my 5 ISKs.
Well i still got some isk from you jenny.....
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Shassandra
Gallente
Dream Warriors Defence Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.03 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Shassandra on 03/09/2006 10:00:20
Originally by: Aversin
Originally by: Roy Batty68
Originally by: Miss Overlord
sure beats the RONA scam of 40B - just waiting for someone to try and outdo it - hat goes off to u tho
If someone scammed a small corp out of a couple bil using a trusted position, you guys would respond with, "Yeah... slime ball". This guy rips off 790bil and he's a hero?
The difference is these people gave him their isk, someone who rips off a small corp is most likley stealing it. It's only as hard as realizing the difference between a con man and a burglar.
And if I was given access to my corp's hangars, I took everything, it wouldn't have been stealing either since I was given access to take and give to that/those hangar(s).
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Da Maddness
Deimos Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.03 19:11:00 -
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Can someone record this please. I'm just about to finish a 12 hour night shift.
Also it's on now.
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BlackHole Bob
Amarr
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.03 21:53:00 -
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the podcast is available for todays show for download...we did the interview just a few hours ago..
eve-nn.com for the podcast downloads...click on "last 8 shows"
Blackhole Bob
CEO: R-U-OK Corporation
In Game Player Guide
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Edited by: Elmicker on 22/08/2006 18:41:14
The screenie showed a wallet @ 660bil, can't find the link right now though. Frankly, anyone who fell for what was such a blatant pyramid scam deserved to lose their money and the people whinging about "oooh, but he cheated," need to realise that all he said was "give me your money" and people were stupid enough to do it. Piracy and scams are part of the eve universe, and people love a villain as much as they love a hero so for that, i'll certainly be listening to this :).
edit:Link UnearthTd
A pic with such poor quality you can't verifty whether it's real, or not, and it isn't.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 05/09/2006 17:44:28
Originally by: Kieli Rast
No, basicly im saying
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I dont need to do that because I have no need to prove anything.
Even if I did, sure as hell the alt army will demand more and more until all I can do is give the public my account details.
So as a final thought, if you dont like it.... good. Im happy that your still frustrated about the whole debate and glad you have no closure on your question.
You have nothing to prove, your biggest scam is having the other gullible people believe your figure. You can't prove you have ISK that you don't have.
Email kieron or someone else at CCP, and have them verify the ISK ammount, and then people will believe you.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
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Magus Blacklaw
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.06 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Heikki
And no, you are not the biggest scammer in Eve history. My alt has so far scammed 1725 billions ISK, and the victims do not even know it yet. Once you give reasonably proof about your amount, I'll proof mine too (or back down from my claim). So in the future, please refer to the EIB as 2nd biggest Eve scam.
I AM SPARTICUS!
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