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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
313
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:42:10 -
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IMO the only way to make money by mining is by shooting miners.
OTH occasionally I do mine. But for me its the zen like nature of mining that is the attraction - so mining is its own reward.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Pen Ris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:54:40 -
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Petre en Thielles wrote:
Mining isn't a profession. Mining is part of the industry profession. You can make a substantial amount from mining if you start producing stuff from the ore.
Because the stuff you mine is free so the profits are bigger. amiright? |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
CODE.
392
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Posted - 2014.10.29 18:59:24 -
[33] - Quote
Because Highsec
the Code ALWAYS wins
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DaReaper
Net 7
1165
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Posted - 2014.10.29 19:34:50 -
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mining though I love it, is the lowest rung of the industry chain.
Its the equivlant of being a simple miner in real life and mining something like coal, and expecting to be as rich as the guys who turn that coal into something else.
Its decent isk, but its not a way to get rich fast. If you wan tto make more money you need to move up the food chain and make stuff.
Mining is a simple task so there are TONS of minerals on the market, thus flooded, thus prices for ore are kept relatively low
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Cant tell Ifserious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.10.29 19:37:10 -
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame wrote:Because you are doing it WRONG.
Mining is BORING and intended for industrial material supply, not for pressing F1 and going AFK.
what do you think ishtar ratting is? |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
92
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Posted - 2014.10.29 19:43:42 -
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Regnag Leppod wrote:Bullshit. You can break even or get a small profit on top of it, nothing more, and the only way you're going to make any profit is by opening up Excel and turning Eve into a *JOB*.
Most modules and ships you might want to build you are competing with builders who have perfect BPO's, and half of them sell their product at a loss over mineral value.
Yes, you have to use a few spreadsheets, but if you do you can make a lot of ISK. Yes, you need to have connections to research BPOs, have connections to have a perfect nullsec refiner refine your ore, etc...but this IS a social game. If you don't want to do all that, I understand, but that is the 'endgame' of mining.
Veers Belvar wrote:No, you need to find a way to permanently shut down the 50 ship russian bot fleets. Killing one miner may make you feel good, but it won't actually solve the problem.
Shut down bot fleets? If you see one, report it. Botting is not allowed per EULA.
Pen Ris wrote:Because the stuff you mine is free so the profits are bigger. amiright?
No, because there are certain items (if you follow the market) that are cheap to make and sell for substantially more than their raw materials. Find a buddy who can research BPOs for you, find a buddy who has perfect refining, and get to your spreadsheets. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2014.10.29 19:47:29 -
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Regnag Leppod wrote:Petre en Thielles wrote: You can make a substantial amount from mining if you start producing stuff from the ore. Bullshit. You can break even or get a small profit on top of it, nothing more, and the only way you're going to make any profit is by opening up Excel and turning Eve into a *JOB*. Most modules and ships you might want to build you are competing with builders who have perfect BPO's, and half of them sell their product at a loss over mineral value.
1. Get a perfect BPO. It is much easier now than it ever has been to have perfect BPO's.
2. High-Sec regional market variance is over 30% in some high volume low yield items. Don't join the rush to the bottom in the busiest places. Find a small niche area and enjoy the lack of competition.
or
3. Some low sec/0.0 hubs have 70% - 120% variance from the across regional average. Some low sec/0.0 regions have no hubs.
There are plenty of places to maximise your profits - your time investment in market research will pay dividends - it can also be done while your mining fleet is grinding the rocks. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1166
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:12:05 -
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Emma Muutaras wrote:
ive done a little mining and i cant go afk for any longer than 5 mins, stripminers tend to mine out a roid in 2 cycles at which point i need to relock a new roid and activate the stripminers again on top of that the ore hold fills up 2 quick to go afk for for more than 10 mins not to mention nullsec belt rats do hurt even in a skiff going afk is not advisable.
unless your mining buddys are using a decent bot to jetcan and warp off if rats turn up. i cant see how they can go afk and watch a movie or cook dinner
Not my experience, though have not mined for years. So long as you scan the rocks and choose the good ones you get at least 10 minutes a rock maybe more and that was in a fleet with an orca and mining boosts. You must be in crap belts. As far as rats go someone in your fleet is likely to be on even if you are not plus a large fleet does mean an awful lot of warriors out.
Regardless ... even if you mine on a second screen so you can keep an eye on things, while playing Farmtown or Candy Crush in Facebook on your main screen, mining is a low attention activity that lets you do other stuff at the same time and hence lots of people do it and that reduce the income. |
Decian Cor
Trust Doesn't Rust
Triumvirate.
185
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:14:10 -
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1) stop mining
2) shoot things
3) Profit
[u]Unfiltered for the masses.[/u]
http://imgur.com/mzSl1Ie
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1747
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:55:59 -
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Shooting rats straight up gives you isk. Ore is only worth what other players are willing to pay for it.
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
2332
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:34:11 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Supply and demand.
This.
There are too many miners. |
Hicksimus
Plan-It Xpress
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
391
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:58:28 -
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To put it a different way....people in nullsec are making piles of money and if they want ore they can buy a pile of alts which will all be self-sustaining and then some in the isk department. It's a side profession for people in nullsec and so you are doing alt work and you are getting paid like an alt for it.
Edit: And that's the downside of having nearly unlimited ore and so many types of minerals in highsec.....mining is easy while you pay attention to the important characters.
Do you have it?
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Cattegirn
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2014.10.30 00:02:46 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Desimus Maximus wrote:Most activities in Eve have been carefully examined by CCP. You will make relatively the same amount of ISK over a given period of time doing any form of PVE activity if you have high skill levels. It all comes down to time and effort, but you will essentially be earning the same, give or take a few milliion.
Different activities scale differently.
Could you explain what you are referring to? |
Anthar Peva
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.10.30 03:32:21 -
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Well for one, the activity requirement. I know you can semi-AFK rat, but I don't think it was intended to be done like that. I doubt they intended mining to be anything but semi-afk isk making, because it's like structure bashing. But alone. |
Josef Djugashvilis
2636
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:40:08 -
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[quote=Cant tell Ifserious]I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(
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Kill all the other miners, then you will make a fortune.
This is not a signature.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6563
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:05:22 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Supply and demand. This. There are too many miners.
And not enough ship destruction. Hopefully that is about to change with the low/ null changes.
Three things make this game possible. Harvesting, building, destruction. For the longest time now, we've only seen two of these happening. That needs to change and CCP seems to be taking steps to get that balance back again.
It will take some time to burn through the massive stockpiles of ships sitting in the currently stagnant null alliances, but I have faith that we'll see some interesting gameplay in the future that will boost the price of minerals again.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Notorious Fellon
348
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:08:43 -
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Simple answer:
Because the activity requires little interaction. As soon as mining cannot be done afk and it actually becomes more engaging and maybe even a touch more risky then the ores supply will drop as AFK miners can no longer perform the task. Thus, prices go up.
Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1344
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:50:28 -
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The ease of macro managing a group of miner is what kills it at the end of the day. Players can do the work of tens without breaking a sweat so the work of a single character become about 1/10th or less of a player. If it was not possible to make it afk or via automation/cloning of imput, the pay would probably rise a bit. |
Cant tell Ifserious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.10.31 00:02:58 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Simple answer:
Because the activity requires little interaction. As soon as mining cannot be done afk and it actually becomes more engaging and maybe even a touch more risky then the ores supply will drop as AFK miners can no longer perform the task. Thus, prices go up.
you cant afk mine in nullsec. You have to worry about battleship rat spawns that kick ur ass and over powered interceptors warping to your belt..... |
Petre en Thielles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2014.10.31 13:59:00 -
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Cant tell Ifserious wrote:you cant afk mine in nullsec. You have to worry about battleship rat spawns that kick ur ass and over powered interceptors warping to your belt.....
Sure you can. Just have one guy in the belt watching with fleet warp on. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
5
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Posted - 2014.11.01 05:16:05 -
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Cant tell Ifserious wrote:I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(
I make at least 60 mil/hour with 1 orca and 2 hulks mining blue ice in hs. I think thats pretty good. In null i guess i could make 100mil/hour by replacing the orc with a rorq. Am i wrong?
Btw. While mining i watch tv or youtube on the second screen. |
Arronicus
Bitter Lemons
Brothers of Tangra
1211
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Posted - 2014.11.01 09:26:59 -
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Jegrey Dozer wrote:Generally speaking, risk is proportional to ISK/hour.
Edit:
Oh and as a side remark, you make more ISK with 2 mining ships with no boosts compared to your current setup.
rorq boosts yield by 100% with max links (between speed and amount mined) so IF you were factoring hauling out of the equation, ie, actually had the rorq on site like ccp wants, and mined directly into it, you make the same isk/hour with 2 hulks as 1 hulk 1 rorq.
However, with incursions a single decently skilled player can make over 100m an hour between isk and LP. Same with fast blitzing level 4s. Or even soloing level 5s in a passive tengu.
100m an hour takes THREE or more hulk pilots. (or 2 + rorqual) |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
290
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Posted - 2014.11.01 10:25:36 -
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This is an AFK cloaking thread isn't it??? |
Arronicus
Bitter Lemons
Brothers of Tangra
1211
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Posted - 2014.11.01 12:40:50 -
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Mark O'Helm wrote:Cant tell Ifserious wrote:I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(
I make at least 60 mil/hour with 1 orca and 2 hulks mining blue ice in hs. I think thats pretty good. In null i guess i could make 100mil/hour by replacing the orc with a rorq. Am i wrong? Btw. While mining i watch tv or youtube on the second screen.
Ignoring ice belt size for a minute here;
60m an hour with 1 orca 2 hulks. perfect orca boosts = 70% yield/hour boost. So your base yield on the 2 hulks is 35.28m/hour.
Perfect rorq boosts = 100%, so your nullsec isk/hour = 70.56m. Lets say null ice is worth 15% more/hour, that puts you at 81.15mil an hour. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
5
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Posted - 2014.11.01 16:58:30 -
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Arronicus wrote:
Ignoring ice belt size for a minute here;
60m an hour with 1 orca 2 hulks. perfect orca boosts = 70% yield/hour boost. So your base yield on the 2 hulks is 35.28m/hour.
Perfect rorq boosts = 100%, so your nullsec isk/hour = 70.56m. Lets say null ice is worth 15% more/hour, that puts you at 81.15mil an hour.
My Orca Boost is not maxed out. Neither are my Hulks. And i mine ore too if the 3 Ice belts around my home are out. Its just more profitable, easier and more sozial to mine ice, together with 20 other pilots, then standing all day long alone in a belt, although its less stressful.
So there is more to gain for me i guess. I cant wait to see the change of the rorqual to come.
Sorry for my bad english. |
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.11.02 04:54:49 -
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To put it simply: Selling ore and minerals is ultra competitive and people need high turnover compared to high profit. If Miners sold their ore for more, ships and modules would also have to increase their prices to sell profitably, and they'd have to then RISK not selling units as often. Same with miners.
Everyone's willing to sell their time and effort as cheaply as possible because they don't want to opt for something better.
[quote] So 50 retreivers and 1 ganker walk into a bar, and the ganker turns to all the retreivers and says "I know how to play this game, you're wrong, now give me your money and then let me blow you up". That's the joke. [/quote]
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
5
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Posted - 2014.11.02 05:25:11 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Everyone's willing to sell their time and effort as cheaply as possible because they don't want to opt for something better.
Maybe i understand that incorrectly, but doesn't want everybody sell their time as highly as possible? |
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.11.02 06:58:38 -
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That's true, you'd think that, but then again look at how low people have to price their ore in order to sell.
[quote] So 50 retreivers and 1 ganker walk into a bar, and the ganker turns to all the retreivers and says "I know how to play this game, you're wrong, now give me your money and then let me blow you up". That's the joke. [/quote]
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Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
5
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Posted - 2014.11.02 07:37:04 -
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I only look for the best buy order in 2 regions (i live in a border system) and sell it right there. Blue ice = 240000 - 245000 isk. Would i refine ... i mean reprosses it. I would only make around 224000 isk. And i had to haul it a longer way. (There are 2 buyers, who try to outdo each other.) Better price for me.  |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
763
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Posted - 2014.11.02 11:35:28 -
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Cant tell Ifserious wrote:I have a ishtar that makes about 21mil a tick in nullsec or around 80+mil an hour ratting hubs etc. Then i have a Rorq with max boosts and a mackinaw on another character mining, i cant even make close to that in nullsec.
Why is this? Why does 1 character make more isk than 2. Why does a 200mil ship make more than a 2.5bil+ ship combo make less?
shouldnt group play make more isk?
ccp pls :(
because too many people farm afk-money, many have their own isbotter mining fleets. |
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