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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:34:21 -
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I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.
Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6978
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:37:00 -
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You are drowning in a coffin inside a submarine that masquerades as a spaceship.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Damen Apol
Dissident Aggressors
Mordus Angels
69
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:37:20 -
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it may be because its a video game |
Kiera Minaris
Asylum Institution
Care Factor
6
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:39:33 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.
Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone
Best forum topic out there xD |
Paranoid Loyd
2448
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:42:08 -
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"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
176
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:47:30 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You are drowning in a coffin inside a submarine that masquerades as a spaceship.
This |
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1784
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:49:43 -
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You may be looking for the Intergalactic Summit, the RP section. Posts there are assumed (and supposed) to be in character. Here... not so much.
> ISD LackOfFaith
> Captain
> Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
> Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17420
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:50:05 -
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Eve is a fictional fluid universe space submarine game.
Your physics are invalid.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Paranoid Loyd
2448
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Posted - 2014.10.29 22:55:46 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:You may be looking for the Intergalactic Summit, the RP section. Posts there are assumed (and supposed) to be in character. Here... not so much.
Umm, yeah, might want to get your troll detector re-calibrated.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:01:52 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:You may be looking for the Intergalactic Summit, the RP section. Posts there are assumed (and supposed) to be in character. Here... not so much. Umm, yeah, might want to get your troll detector re-calibrated.
Quit being paranoid, I expect my research is will result in a brand new type of weapon when I get the orbit physics working again. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21294
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:05:10 -
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The Eve universe operates on different physics than the one we inhabit, the fact that planets neither spin on their axis or orbit their stars should be a bit of a giveaway.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:12:30 -
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Doc Fury wrote:You are drowning in a coffin inside a submarine that masquerades as a spaceship.
Well no, because the inability to breathe is the other half of what makes up drowning.
You're not drowning whenever you dunk your head underwater, are you?
Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:13:28 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The Eve universe operates on different physics than the one we inhabit, the fact that all of the planets are tidally locked and don't spin on their axis or orbit their stars should be a bit of a giveaway.
They don't?
I need to change this |
Paranoid Loyd
2448
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:17:16 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You are drowning in a coffin inside a submarine that masquerades as a spaceship.
Well no, because the inability to breathe is the other half of what makes up drowning. You're not drowning whenever you dunk your head underwater, are you?
Somebody has a crush on Doc. 
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
3162
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:18:34 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:(words)
Where is the gravity?
(more words)
Other games took it all, so EVE does not have gravity. Also why worry about stars and gravity? I find more troubling that all stars look the same from every distance, be it 1 or 80 AU. It's like having a bright firefly splattered on the windshield...
The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! Ingame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
34
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:20:44 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.
Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone
Read the lore.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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David Therman
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:32:56 -
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This being one of those questions that queries why something doesn't exist/doesn't function in New Eden as we would expect, it's almost guaranteed to be covered by The Lore... and if it isn't, it's space magic. As it is, I would love to see the day someone's space pixels get dragged, slowly but surely, into the heart of a red giant. If space-magic could only be so kind. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
125
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:35:44 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Doc Fury wrote:You are drowning in a coffin inside a submarine that masquerades as a spaceship.
Well no, because the inability to breathe is the other half of what makes up drowning. You're not drowning whenever you dunk your head underwater, are you? Somebody has a crush on Doc. You're not breathing whenever you dunk your head underwater, are you?
Well okay. The term was "respiratory arrest" and I wanted to convey the same idea without sounding like a tool, but respiratory arrest and being unable to breathe are not quite the same thing. So I did end up writing something stupid.
Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
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R0mparkin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:36:08 -
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can i have your stuff when you quit? |
Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:40:03 -
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R0mparkin wrote:can i have your stuff when you quit?
Only if I can't fix it |
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
145
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Posted - 2014.10.29 23:43:30 -
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You don't have gravity? Huh. Shoulda bought one of dem gravity permits those CODE fellas are sellin'.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Serene Repose
1579
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Posted - 2014.10.30 00:53:41 -
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Gravity is in the same place as the lack of air pressure that allowed you NOT to EXPLODE
as you "casually strolled" about New Eden. Or...was that IMPLODE?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
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45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
104
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Posted - 2014.10.30 00:59:10 -
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Damen Apol wrote:it may be because its a video game
Agreed +1
**You Have to take the good with the bad
and the bad with the good.
Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1167
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Posted - 2014.10.30 00:59:48 -
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There is gravity in EVE it is just universal rather than related to object s like stars and planets and always downwards.
The other quirky thing is gravity forces ships and stations to always orient the same way up (you never see a station sideways or upside down relative to your ship) but the gravity is special and does not make the aforementioned objects descend, they in fact float.
NOTE: It would be rather amusing to see the tears if we got gravity and had to manually aim and compensate for drop when firing non laser weapons. |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
104
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Posted - 2014.10.30 01:00:28 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:You don't have gravity? Huh. Shoulda bought one of dem gravity permits those CODE fellas are sellin'.
The Op should have brought those permits from CODE 
**You Have to take the good with the bad
and the bad with the good.
Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
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Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
133
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Posted - 2014.10.30 01:12:02 -
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Every time you bring real physics into a fantasy setting, god CCP Falcon kills a catgirltalyst.
Please, think of the catgirlstalysts!
-áTalk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
Don't Tell Me The Odds
5802
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Posted - 2014.10.30 01:31:15 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
Yes, this is correct, it's called a video game.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1747
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Posted - 2014.10.30 01:53:02 -
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EVE is not a simulation game. It is a MMORPG. |
Miko Valentine
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.10.30 11:10:05 -
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no Gravity ? than why do i hear voices in space there is no Air so the sound waves could travel and there shouldnt be explosions and in Phoebe the Max capital ship travel range is 5 lightyears do the travel back in time when they do this Long range in a few seconds << they should and why does my ship burn when reaching the structure ... and all these Giant ships we Fly without a Crew Operating it this isnt possible |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
457
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Posted - 2014.10.30 11:13:42 -
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I'm still considering adding gravity. Right now I'm content to watch ships "right" itself after warping. I'll let you know when I get bored and try something else. Like gravity or no suns at all. |
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Miko Valentine
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.10.30 11:30:05 -
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Yarda Black wrote:I'm still considering adding gravity. Right now I'm content to watch ships "right" itself after warping. I'll let you know when I get bored and try something else. Like gravity or no suns at all.
than every Moon and every Planet should have Gravity and the Ore belts needs to dissapear since they would never formup in an unrealistic Halfcircle<(with nothing in the center) but as a giant circle around a Moon or Planet.... and why cant i has a Pink Fur covered Myrm and when Lauching drones i want poop noices and when activate the armor repper i want my Prophecy to Purrr and i need a Bastion Mode for my dragoon cuz when i wait for loot and paint my toenails i Die alot .... sry forgot its stupid and not a wish you what Game , be happy with what you got or search for a game with a more realistic Environment |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
13730
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Posted - 2014.10.30 11:32:08 -
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Space is a liquid
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
89
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Posted - 2014.10.30 11:33:20 -
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baltec1 wrote:Space is a liquid
Confirmed
No AFKing. -áSafety First. -áUse D-Scan, Check Local. -áBe Alert.
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Kamahl Daikun
Hounds of War.
Hashashin Cartel
0
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Posted - 2014.10.30 12:40:44 -
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David Therman wrote: it's space magic.
Best answer ITT. |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
172
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Posted - 2014.10.30 13:08:07 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:Where is the gravity? In video stores, somewhere alongside The Alien and Avatar. Also, in Kerbal Space Program. |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.10.30 13:31:07 -
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45thtiger 0109 wrote:Damen Apol wrote:it may be because its a video game Agreed +1
That is not correct, there is nothing 3D software likes to do better than simulate physics, unfortunately that has never made a very good action movie or action video game. Works wonders for suspense and people being at the mercy of the elements or lack of them as the case may be. George Lucas supposedly directed his space ship battles on WW2 dogfights, real zero atmosphere/gravity has some odd properties that doesn't suit such goings on.
However I'm not sure that all gigantic space objects need to be quite as passive as they are.
So your saying that isn't a graphics related issue ?
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Foxstar Damaskeenus
Soul Takers
236
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:11:30 -
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Your ships computer compensates for it.
Also the laws of physics are different on this side of the eve gate, we have friction in space and sound can travel in space here.
No changes to skill points EVER!!!
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Nevil Oscillator
44
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Posted - 2014.10.30 14:40:15 -
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Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:we have friction in space
Yes both kinds
So your saying that isn't a graphics related issue ?
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2014.10.31 04:48:50 -
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Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:sound can travel in space here.
Not really.
Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
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Nefertiti Anzomi
Old Spice Syndicate
Sailors of the Sacred Spice
0
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Posted - 2014.10.31 05:34:12 -
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This is ... awesome ... hmmmm ...
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time,
but you cannot fool all the people all the time."
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
2421
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Posted - 2014.10.31 10:33:21 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.
Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone EVE's space physics is probably easiest to compare to "tennis balls in water" (non-rigid balls in non-viscous fluid). It's of course not accurate or realistic but it the gaming experience is better since that's what most people find easiest to understand and adapt to. There is no gravity and the planets and moons are stationary.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5020
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Posted - 2014.10.31 10:38:15 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:"tennis balls in water"
We never undocked, didn't we? They put us in those pods and everything afterwards was just simulation. We are all mind-locked, living out the rest of our lives as happy vegetables.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2014.10.31 10:38:18 -
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Stationary?
So it's the bookmarks that are moving every once in a while?
I would assume it makes more sense to believe that it's the celestials which are moving, but in any way it's definitely SOMETHING that doesn't keep it's position. Even though it doesn't happen daily, the fact that instabookmarks have to be adjusted every once in a while means that "stationary" is a rather relative term. |
Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.10.31 11:30:35 -
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Abrazzar wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:"tennis balls in water" We never undocked, didn't we? They put us in those pods and everything afterwards was just simulation. We are all mind-locked, living out the rest of our lives as happy vegetables.
Good god, It really is a video game |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
418
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Posted - 2014.10.31 12:02:04 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Eve is a fictional fluid universe space submarine game.
Spot on. CCP should be this as their slogan to all new players so we don't get confused newbies making misinformed posts like the OP. |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
418
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Posted - 2014.10.31 12:06:01 -
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Nice Image there. |
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
2421
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Posted - 2014.10.31 12:41:49 -
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Sol Project wrote:Stationary?
So it's the bookmarks that are moving every once in a while?
I would assume it makes more sense to believe that it's the celestials which are moving, but in any way it's definitely SOMETHING that doesn't keep it's position. Even though it doesn't happen daily, the fact that instabookmarks have to be adjusted every once in a while means that "stationary" is a rather relative term. Suns, planets, moons, gates, stations and bookmarks don't move. They have absolute fixed coordinates.
We have, however, changed the size of stations and gates and that may affect your insta-bookmarks.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
2421
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Posted - 2014.10.31 12:44:04 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Nice Image there. Going to save the one. Look at the bottom 1/3 here http://eve-ru.com/media/wallpapers/
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur
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Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
418
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Posted - 2014.10.31 12:49:40 -
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Thank you, very nice images. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
325
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Posted - 2014.10.31 13:10:28 -
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Abrazzar wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:"tennis balls in water" We never undocked, didn't we? They put us in those pods and everything afterwards was just simulation. We are all mind-locked, living out the rest of our lives as happy vegetables.
Right before they pull the plug on eve they'll reveal it was all a dream. |
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
173
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Posted - 2014.10.31 14:39:18 -
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Hra Neuvosto wrote:Abrazzar wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:"tennis balls in water" We never undocked, didn't we? They put us in those pods and everything afterwards was just simulation. We are all mind-locked, living out the rest of our lives as happy vegetables. Right before they pull the plug on eve they'll reveal it was all a dream. A Jovian social experiment with a Sleeper-like virtual reality on selected humans.
Would make a fitting ending for the game.
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
173
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Posted - 2014.10.31 14:42:40 -
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Bumper submarines in liquid space. New Eden has underwater physics. Its a different part of the universe. |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
3895
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Posted - 2014.10.31 17:00:46 -
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Maybe we've never actually left the pod...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1252
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Posted - 2014.10.31 17:18:05 -
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Can I interest OP in a game called Kerbal Space Program?
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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Varchesse
Xoth Inc
Usurper.
2
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Posted - 2014.10.31 17:50:49 -
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I just put it all down to the ship's computer making adjustments so that you don't have to worry about pesky physics.
Such also as; ship fuel, sounds in space, ship crewing, etc. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Cynosural Field Theory.
1406
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Posted - 2014.10.31 19:39:48 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Sol Project wrote:Stationary?
So it's the bookmarks that are moving every once in a while?
I would assume it makes more sense to believe that it's the celestials which are moving, but in any way it's definitely SOMETHING that doesn't keep it's position. Even though it doesn't happen daily, the fact that instabookmarks have to be adjusted every once in a while means that "stationary" is a rather relative term. Suns, planets, moons, gates, stations and bookmarks don't move. They have absolute fixed coordinates. We have, however, changed the size of stations and gates and that may affect your insta-bookmarks.
I can assure you they move. Either the Bookmarks or the celestials. It even happened during a gate camp one time when suddenly my scorpion bookmark was in range of the gate guns again- just 15 minutes and no session change in between...
TunDraGon is recruiting!
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CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
121
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Posted - 2014.10.31 19:51:03 -
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Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:we have friction in space
Naturally. It's a science friction game.
Your spirit is the true shield.
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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
2426
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Posted - 2014.10.31 20:33:34 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Sol Project wrote:Stationary?
So it's the bookmarks that are moving every once in a while?
I would assume it makes more sense to believe that it's the celestials which are moving, but in any way it's definitely SOMETHING that doesn't keep it's position. Even though it doesn't happen daily, the fact that instabookmarks have to be adjusted every once in a while means that "stationary" is a rather relative term. Suns, planets, moons, gates, stations and bookmarks don't move. They have absolute fixed coordinates. We have, however, changed the size of stations and gates and that may affect your insta-bookmarks. I can assure you they move. Either the Bookmarks or the celestials. It even happened during a gate camp one time when suddenly my scorpion bookmark was in range of the gate guns again- just 15 minutes and no session change in between... I can assure you they don't.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @erlendur
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2014.10.31 20:57:22 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:Sol Project wrote:Stationary?
So it's the bookmarks that are moving every once in a while?
I would assume it makes more sense to believe that it's the celestials which are moving, but in any way it's definitely SOMETHING that doesn't keep it's position. Even though it doesn't happen daily, the fact that instabookmarks have to be adjusted every once in a while means that "stationary" is a rather relative term. Suns, planets, moons, gates, stations and bookmarks don't move. They have absolute fixed coordinates. We have, however, changed the size of stations and gates and that may affect your insta-bookmarks.
Wow, thank you. :D
How often did you do that already? Bookmarks changed *often* throughout the game! |
stoicfaux
5371
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Posted - 2014.10.31 21:04:05 -
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Who the hell puts a virus in a bitmap?!? Oh... it's 'eve-ru', question withdrawn.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Komi Toran
Paragon Trust
The Bastion
347
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Posted - 2014.10.31 21:06:58 -
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David Therman wrote:This being one of those questions that queries why something doesn't exist/doesn't function in New Eden as we would expect, it's almost guaranteed to be covered by The Lore... and if it isn't, it's space magic.
Impossible, as I have it on good authority that friendship is magic, and there's no friendship in Eve. Only deferred betrayal. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.10.31 21:08:03 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.
Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone
Before we figure out gravity....what is the technology used to make space ships out nerf foam so the bounce off each other. |
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
750
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CCP Explorer wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Sol Project wrote:Stationary?
So it's the bookmarks that are moving every once in a while?
I would assume it makes more sense to believe that it's the celestials which are moving, but in any way it's definitely SOMETHING that doesn't keep it's position. Even though it doesn't happen daily, the fact that instabookmarks have to be adjusted every once in a while means that "stationary" is a rather relative term. Suns, planets, moons, gates, stations and bookmarks don't move. They have absolute fixed coordinates. We have, however, changed the size of stations and gates and that may affect your insta-bookmarks. I can assure you they move. Either the Bookmarks or the celestials. It even happened during a gate camp one time when suddenly my scorpion bookmark was in range of the gate guns again- just 15 minutes and no session change in between... I can assure you they don't.
Probably a victim of the +/- 3km variance on the warp exit point.
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beakerax
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
36
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I hope the art department will take this vision under consideration when it comes time to update the Rupture models. |
Mark O'Helm
Fam. Zimin von Reizgenschwendt
5
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Posted - 2014.11.01 02:59:57 -
[65] - Quote
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.
Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone
Also the planets and moons are not real there. U can fly into them, then they dissapear. And when u make it into the center of a sun(grab a fast ship, it will take a while) u will get a spectacular view and a nice bump. |
Valerie Tessel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
693
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Posted - 2014.11.01 20:33:10 -
[66] - Quote
Cue Culture ship naming posts.
Complete Lack of Gravity is my Myrmidon.
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Pestilen Ratte
Artimus Ratte
0
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Posted - 2014.11.02 07:09:47 -
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Varchesse wrote:I just put it all down to the ship's computer making adjustments so that you don't have to worry about pesky physics.
This.
I reckon that somewhere in the lore, possibly not yet encountered by CCP staff, i was found that, very early in space travel, the limitations of the human mind, having evolved in fluid environments, were not able to compute the trajectories and velocities of zero friction space.
So, very early on, space flight computers governed the control interface so that ships would respond AS IF they were submarines in water. This proved to be such a sensational invention, so popular with everyone, that this system of space flight control became ubiquitous. Insurance companies soon required it as a matter of policy, and that was that.
All this happened before the Eve gate was ever built, and since the Empire races achieved their tech from its remnants, they also use this inherently sensible method of controlling space flight.
Occasionally some half wit complains that he is a space lord, and not a submarine pilot, and hacks into the central flight comp core to make things "real". And then he spirals into a sun, or asteroid, and is heard from no more... because the human brain can't handle real physics.
The sounds are also part of the flight computer making things easier for human biology. We use aural signals as an interface to the world, and so the ship computer translates light and shock wave cues into sounds we recognise, and may respond to.
With regard to the star system bodies not orbiting or even moving, I dunno.
Maybe that is just lazy programming from CCP devs.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Cynosural Field Theory.
1407
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Posted - 2014.11.02 10:49:59 -
[68] - Quote
Entity wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:Sol Project wrote:Stationary?
So it's the bookmarks that are moving every once in a while?
I would assume it makes more sense to believe that it's the celestials which are moving, but in any way it's definitely SOMETHING that doesn't keep it's position. Even though it doesn't happen daily, the fact that instabookmarks have to be adjusted every once in a while means that "stationary" is a rather relative term. Suns, planets, moons, gates, stations and bookmarks don't move. They have absolute fixed coordinates. We have, however, changed the size of stations and gates and that may affect your insta-bookmarks. I can assure you they move. Either the Bookmarks or the celestials. It even happened during a gate camp one time when suddenly my scorpion bookmark was in range of the gate guns again- just 15 minutes and no session change in between... I can assure you they don't. Probably a victim of the +/- 3km variance on the warp exit point.
Uh there is something like that? I did not know that. Regardless of that. Why would they work 200 times before and then suddenly the bookmarks are out of range, agan without session change.
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Red Teufel
Mafia Redux
Irresponsible Use of Capital.
388
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Posted - 2014.11.02 17:20:58 -
[69] - Quote
I would like to see a more dynamic space. like random comets, planets shooting through a solar system. heck even random planets colliding. super nova pls pretty please. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2014.11.02 17:36:31 -
[70] - Quote
Red Teufel wrote:I would like to see a more dynamic space. like random comets, planets shooting through a solar system. heck even random planets colliding. super nova pls pretty please. Fixed that for you.
Random planets colliding.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.11.02 18:21:40 -
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For a similar scenario I once had to destroy conventional astrophysics, the solution that I came up with was that the equivalent of sub warp engines are not rocket engines as we know today but work through some strange yet unknown medium. A medium that the engines are not entirely able to detach from thus causing the friction like effect that conveniently provides all the stability required for an action shoot em up.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
731
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:05:00 -
[72] - Quote
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.
Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone
what if it was like a Crowd being Controlled by a Production company or something 
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
40
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:21:53 -
[73] - Quote
Miko Valentine wrote:no Gravity ? than why do i hear voices in space there is no Air so the sound waves could travel and there shouldnt be explosions and in Phoebe the Max capital ship travel range is 5 lightyears do the travel back in time when they do this Long range in a few seconds << they should and why does my ship burn when reaching the structure ... and all these Giant ships we Fly without a Crew Operating it this isnt possible
Wrong on all counts.
Read the lore.
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Nevil Oscillator
46
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:13:29 -
[74] - Quote
Mharius Skjem wrote:Miko Valentine wrote:no Gravity ? than why do i hear voices in space there is no Air so the sound waves could travel and there shouldnt be explosions and in Phoebe the Max capital ship travel range is 5 lightyears do the travel back in time when they do this Long range in a few seconds << they should and why does my ship burn when reaching the structure ... and all these Giant ships we Fly without a Crew Operating it this isnt possible Wrong on all counts. Read the lore.
Or check this out
Crew
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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
696
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:18:16 -
[75] - Quote
Each spaceship has special Tesla coils that negate gravity in the vicinity of the spaceship, it's THAT simple
Evelopedia;-á
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.11.02 22:32:14 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:Each spaceship has special Tesla coils that negate gravity in the vicinity of the spaceship, it's THAT simple
Well I know why I didn't think of that
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
12506
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Posted - 2014.11.02 22:59:45 -
[77] - Quote
Advanced Gravitics is a skill every capsuleer has by default.
I shall name my Domi Inappropriate Lack of Gravity.
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Nevil Oscillator
46
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Posted - 2014.11.02 23:04:19 -
[78] - Quote
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
How close are we talking about for gravity of an object to be strong enough to noticeably effect things ?
If you are that close to a star, I'm not sure that my main question would be why isn't the gravity having any effect.
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.11.02 23:29:02 -
[79] - Quote
Well, The star example is a simple example, Seeing as the planets are supposed to move I guess the noticeable examples would be everything in system as everything with mass is being affected by gravity. |
Nevil Oscillator
46
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Posted - 2014.11.02 23:35:56 -
[80] - Quote
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:Well, The star example is a simple example, Seeing as the planets are supposed to move I guess the noticeable examples would be everything in system as everything with mass is being affected by gravity.
Everything with a mass exerts gravitation force, it is just negligible for those with a mass in tons much less than a moon and not a great deal for a moon either as demonstrated in video footage from 1969.
Although Titan (A moon of Saturn I think it is) is apparently not far off the mass of Earth.
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.11.02 23:40:47 -
[81] - Quote
Fraid not as large masses attract small masses. Therefore as long as there is a large mass in system there will be an orbit of an angular velocity proportional to the mass of the star around the centre of mass in the system. |
Nevil Oscillator
46
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Posted - 2014.11.02 23:47:14 -
[82] - Quote
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:Fraid not as large masses attract small masses. Therefore as long as there is a large mass in system there will be an orbit of an angular velocity proportional to the mass of the star around the centre of mass in the system.
No my point is that if 1G is all The Earth exerts, do you need to calculate the effect of it ? most of the time probably not.
How many G does a star exert ?
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Cynosural Field Theory.
1409
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Posted - 2014.11.03 08:28:13 -
[83] - Quote
Nevil Oscillator wrote:Sakaron Hefdover wrote:Well, The star example is a simple example, Seeing as the planets are supposed to move I guess the noticeable examples would be everything in system as everything with mass is being affected by gravity. Everything with a mass exerts gravitation force, it is just negligible for those with a mass in tons much less than a moon and not a great deal for a moon either as demonstrated in video footage from 1969. Although Titan (A moon of Saturn I think it is) is apparently not far off the mass of Earth.
It is far off.
(yada-yada*10^24 for Earth to yada-yada 10^23 kg for Titan.
Also note that the density of Earth is 2,7 times higher than that of Titan.
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Nevil Oscillator
46
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Posted - 2014.11.03 08:42:48 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:
It is far off.
(yada-yada*10^24 for Earth to yada-yada 10^23 kg for Titan.
Also note that the density of Earth is 2,7 times higher than that of Titan.
So maybe 0.25G but that is also going to depend on how close you are to it. Earth has 0.25G at a certain distance from the surface. I haven't looked into moon or planetary interaction so I don't know what a ship needs to do when it gets there. According to this Gravity the sun only exerts 26G
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Nevil Oscillator
46
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Posted - 2014.11.03 09:02:52 -
[85] - Quote
Maybe distance actually means distance from minimum safe distance.
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta
Brawls Deep
216
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Posted - 2014.11.03 09:24:14 -
[86] - Quote
Bob has taken all the gravity and used it to create pockets of near reality space accessible by wormholes. Come visit; cheaper than Disneyland Paris, and far more exciting.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2558
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Posted - 2014.11.03 12:32:42 -
[87] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The Eve universe operates on different physics than the one we inhabit, the fact that all of the planets are tidally locked and don't spin on their axis or orbit their stars should be a bit of a giveaway. Planets did rotate on their axis in the past. However, as apparently it made the Dust514 players a bit dizzy caused by the ludicrous speeds the planets rotated at, said planets were ordered to stop spinning.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Nevil Oscillator
47
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Posted - 2014.11.03 12:54:48 -
[88] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:Planets did rotate on their axis in the past. However, as apparently it made the Dust514 players a bit dizzy caused by the ludicrous speeds the planets rotated at, said planets were ordered to stop spinning.
A 24 hour rotation isn't going to be visible except in time lapse. A few planets in our solar system rotate at 3 times that speed. Errm yeah wonder if that makes a difference ?
I really must go out in a ship and have a look.
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Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2014.11.03 16:26:37 -
[89] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote: There is no gravity and the planets and moons are stationary.
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Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
106
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:02:03 -
[90] - Quote
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone
Congrats, you just discovered you are playing a video game.
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:22:05 -
[91] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The Eve universe operates on different physics than the one we inhabit, the fact that all of the planets are tidally locked and don't spin on their axis or orbit their stars should be a bit of a giveaway. Planets did rotate on their axis in the past. However, as apparently it made the Dust514 players a bit dizzy caused by the ludicrous speeds the planets rotated at, said planets were ordered to stop spinning.
I want to see this in person
For amusment |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4768
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:26:23 -
[92] - Quote
CCP Explorer wrote:Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.
Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone EVE's space physics is probably easiest to compare to "tennis balls in water" (non-rigid balls in non-viscous fluid). It's of course not accurate or realistic but it the gaming experience is better since that's what most people find easiest to understand and adapt to. There is no gravity and the planets and moons are stationary.
Ooh, if only they weren't.
If only stations would orbit their planet / moon they are on.
Same with a POS or any other celestial.
It would make EVE fun...warp to your bookmark, just to see your POS 149km away...
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
The 99 Percent
864
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Posted - 2014.11.03 18:00:56 -
[93] - Quote
5 pages... wow. Yeah. Submarines in space.
"Remember remember the 4th of November!"
Phoebe. Coming soon to Eve Online.
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Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity
Fatal Ascension
197
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Posted - 2014.11.03 18:01:58 -
[94] - Quote
Sakaron Hefdover wrote:I was taking a scenic stroll around new eden, when I discovered by moving close to the stars, I was not hauled around in a high radial per second orbit as would be normal.
Therefore, I need to ask the question, Where is the gravity?
because otherwise I can ether conclude that there is none in this universe, Or as to what seems more appropriate as all ships at rest come to a specific pitch, I can say that there is gravity, and ships have to use ballast and hot air to maintain their position.
Therefore, I have to say that we are not in a actual universe, but in an unknown "finite" area where the mechanics, constants and the abilities of us all can be changed at will.
We are not real, but experiments in a testing lab. Controlled by someone
You must be new here.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
148
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Posted - 2014.11.03 20:23:48 -
[95] - Quote
Nevil Oscillator wrote:Maybe distance actually means distance from minimum safe distance.
Maybe you don't understand science and you should leave it to the big boys.
Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:32:46 -
[96] - Quote
Nevil Oscillator wrote:Maybe distance actually means distance from minimum safe distance.
Let me explain.
All objects with mass attract every other object that has mass with a force that scales with the product (Read: The mass of one object multiplied by the other object's mass) of the two masses involved.
This force is only reduced by distance and not negated completely. Therefore everything in the system has to orbit the star to maintain its distance from said star, if you was close to the star, the time taken to circle the star would be very noticeable but due to EvE physics it does not, that is what I was referring to.
Nevil Oscillator wrote:No my point is that if 1G is all The Earth exerts, do you need to calculate the effect of it ? most of the time probably not.
How many G does a star exert ?
Yes because 1G is a fairly big bit of acceleration. (about 10 meters per second per second)
And well, I don't know, depends on the mass of the star and your distance from it. Look up Newton's law of universal gravitation |
Man Milk
Fluoro Neuro Sponge
13
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:56:48 -
[97] - Quote
EVE isn't real?!?
Can I get a cash refund and the use of a time machine to take me back to the start of 2010 please?
I'll even contract over my assets before I climb inside a time travelling machine which is larger on the inside than the outside.
Physics sucks!!! xxx
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Khan Wrenth
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
75
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Posted - 2014.11.04 03:07:47 -
[98] - Quote
It's sitting on my DVD shelf right next to "Captain America: the Winter Soldier". I have to admit, it's a rather thrilling survival ride, and it was awesome on IMAX...twice.
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
420
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:28:08 -
[99] - Quote
I just remember it as an energy field created by all living things - it surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.
Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows
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Nevil Oscillator
48
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:01:46 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:
Yes because 1G is a fairly big bit of acceleration. (about 10 meters per second per second)
And well, I don't know, depends on the mass of the star and your distance from it. Look up Newton's law of universal gravitation
I believe I did mention distance.
t's only a fair bit of acceleration if you are close enough for it to have that effect, which if the closest you can warp to the example I just tried is 16000km, then you are going to have to align to the planet on micro warp drive for a few hours before that gravitational effect that CCP has ignored would be noticeable.
Primary This Rifter wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:Maybe distance actually means distance from minimum safe distance. Maybe you don't understand science and you should leave it to the big boys.
Who might they be ?
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Sakaron Hefdover
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:55:24 -
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1G is the value of strength of earth's gravity at its surface. It already has distance involved. |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:07:39 -
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Sakaron Hefdover wrote:1G is the value of strength of earth's gravity at its surface. It already has distance involved.
Yes and 1kg is a litre of water though we use kg for things other than water.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:07:56 -
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You can have anti grav it you like though I that is still a topic with issues.
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