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Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:30:53 - [1] - Quote Yay another buff to HiSec!!!! [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:35:22 - [2] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew. Why, because you say so? Now we enter another idiotic debate where you say it's risk-free PvP, and in comes people with actual experience to tell you it's not, and you deny facts, logic, and reason and kiss CCP's butt because you want to be safer in HiSec. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:36:33 - [3] - Quote Persifonne wrote: When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point. No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs. In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:37:20 - [4] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Grow a pair And here we have a case of takes internet gaming too seriously. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:38:07 - [5] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Xuixien wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: If you attack someone in hisec w/o a wardec or duel, expect to lose your ship. Simple. There's no real reason for the corp concord loophole to exist save giving the risk averse easy pew. Why, because you say so? Now we enter another idiotic debate where you say it's risk-free PvP, and in comes people with actual experience to tell you it's not, and you deny facts, logic, and reason and kiss CCP's butt because you want to be safer in HiSec. Don't need to debate anyone, the issue's already resolved as per the minutes. Well it's good to know you can just appeal to authority instead of defending the views you present. Other people did the work for you. They... ...held your hand. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:42:20 - [6] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Xuixien wrote: Persifonne wrote: When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point. No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs. In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held. Cool, adapt or leave. If you leave, send your stuff my way please. Yes, just mindlessly parrot lines we saw other people post on the forums. Again, letting other people do the work for you again I see. Since you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion and just want to hide behind CCP's skirt (which is ironic because you said "grow a pair") I'm just going to hide your posts. Bye bye. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:47:30 - [7] - Quote Anthar Peva wrote: Persifonne wrote: When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. Well, once this change is in, it is that day, is it not? Although you forgot kill rights. Once that change is in, awoxing will now be pure thievery. (and S.E. to get them to duel you, but that's terrible) Veers Belvar wrote: Personally I think awoxxing never made much sense. How does it really benefit the game? How does running missions for no reason other than getting isk to upgrade your missions ship benefit the game? (not referring to all mission runners, but a lot do this afaik) Less ships blowing up = good for the EVE economy, I hear. Gotta get those carebear subs! [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:51:14 - [8] - Quote Persifonne wrote: CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris. No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps. So remove wardecs!! lol Nobody sits in NPC corps to avoid safaris. Safaris are one of those things where it's entirely in the players' hands - to run background checks (of which they have numerous tool), to have security (again, numerous tools). CCP is basically stepping in and saying "We must hold the hand of hiseccers to keep those mission runners who pay subs safe. Even though they usually unsub in less than a year." [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:53:49 - [9] - Quote Persifonne wrote: Xuixien wrote: Persifonne wrote: CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris. No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps. So remove wardecs!! lol Nobody sits in NPC corps to avoid safaris. Safaris are one of those things where it's entirely in the players' hands - to run background checks (of which they have numerous tool), to have security (again, numerous tools). CCP is basically stepping in and saying "We must hold the hand of hiseccers to keep those mission runners who pay subs safe. Even though they usually unsub in less than a year." Read the mins. Ccp is saying thats why people stay in npc corps. Its wardecs so ccp gonna nerf that again? I know and I'm laughing at how woefully wrong CCP is. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1882	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:20:05 - [10] - Quote ll Kuray ll wrote: Pay with real money and want to be in their own "leave me alone" world [IMPORTANT!] Make enough in game ISK to sub their accounts and want to be in their own "leave me alone" world Obviously in this case the rights of the gankers take precedent. This is a multiplayer game, you have no right or entitlement to be "left alone". If you want to be "left alone", go play Mass Effect or some other single player game. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1882	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:23:35 - [11] - Quote Doc J wrote: People have the right to play the game in the safe manner they wish No. Absolutely wrong. Nobody has the "right" to play this game in safety. The only "right" is to be aware of risks and to take steps to mitigate them. No one in EVE has the "right" to be totally and perfectly exempt from conflict and destruction. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:28:42 - [12] - Quote Valkin Mordirc wrote: Also I know it was a sarcastic comment, But this isnt a buff to highsec, It's a nerf to the Villain "Meta", which in turn affects the Highsec PVE'ers. Dude, it's a buff to HiSec. Think about it. Player corps will now be immune from AWOXers in HiSec. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:32:25 - [13] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: Learn to be inventive with your spying and awoxing. Learn to do it by sucking them into low sec, into duels for 'fit testing'. Adapt. Don't just sit there and cry because CCP are removing an easy mode for you. And awoxing is Easy Mode. No API check will catch a grown from scratch Alt. I'm sorry, who the ** are you to tell anyone to "adapt or die"? You're a sniveling little whingey * who's hiding behind CCP's skirt and chanting for a safer EVE, you loser *** carebear. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]**
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:35:07 - [14] - Quote Aqriue wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: And now the awoxxers have to lose a catalyst to concord once in a while. The sky is surely falling! Someone else gets it. One person screams that CCP is hold hands, another is pointing out that person's fallacies. Let's break it down. 1. High sec. No one is safe. 2. No PVP flag exists. CONCORD is a brake mechanism to prevent total chaos. War dec bypass that. 3. AWOX hide in high sec with the same protection as everyone else, but the is nothing in the entire game that says they get free kills via corporates they have infiltrated. Nothing...it's risk free PvP since CONCORD won't respond back. 4. ???? 5. Profit! Loopholes are closed, null and low have no restriction, high sec has CONCORD and gank prevention via consequences, nobody gets to spout who has the correct play style. There is still no PVP flag for immunity, just humility now that you lose ships just as the gank target. AWOX at best destroy the game because trust is more valuable than a plex, AWOX creates more paranoia than trust and they sure as hell do not lose that many ships compared to what they destroy...everybody is equal in that regard, I like how the AWOXers are granted hyperagency while people who live in HiSec have hypoagency. In fact, their level of hypoagency is so extreme that the idea that they can shoot back isn't even factored! They're basically treated like scripted NPCs... very interesting. Since they have such a low level of agency, CCP should deffo hold their hands. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:37:23 - [15] - Quote John Ratcliffe wrote: Xuixien wrote: Persifonne wrote: When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. I'm ready to unsub my accounts basically any time at this point. No point in staying subbed... once EVE goes themepark it'll go the way of all the other themepark MMOs. In it's place some other small, niche, dark game will pop up to satisfy people who actually enjoy hard games without having their hands held. There's a difference between facilitating enjoyable gameplay and allowing griefing pricks to be griefing pricks. P.S. Can I haz your stuffs? Sorry kid, but there's no such thing as "griefing" in EVE Online once you step out of the rookie systems, it's called "emergent gameplay". Go back to WoW. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:38:08 - [16] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Xuixien wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: Learn to be inventive with your spying and awoxing. Learn to do it by sucking them into low sec, into duels for 'fit testing'. Adapt. Don't just sit there and cry because CCP are removing an easy mode for you. And awoxing is Easy Mode. No API check will catch a grown from scratch Alt. I'm sorry, who the ** are you to tell anyone to "adapt or die"? You're a sniveling little whingey * who's hiding behind CCP's skirt and chanting for a safer EVE, you loser *** carebear. You look mad. You might not be but the amount of insult is kinda high in your posts... coolstorybro [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]**
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:41:21 - [17] - Quote Inxentas Ultramar wrote: I thought about this proposition long and hard before I posted. "It's about hisec, so I don't care" is the best I can do, sorry. Awox off gates and stations from now on, check. Carry on. Because CONCORD only responds on gates and stations andomgwhendidpeoplebecomesoretardedaroundhere. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:43:36 - [18] - Quote Rowells wrote: Xuixien wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: Learn to be inventive with your spying and awoxing. Learn to do it by sucking them into low sec, into duels for 'fit testing'. Adapt. Don't just sit there and cry because CCP are removing an easy mode for you. And awoxing is Easy Mode. No API check will catch a grown from scratch Alt. I'm sorry, who the ** are you to tell anyone to "adapt or die"? You're a sniveling little whingey * who's hiding behind CCP's skirt and chanting for a safer EVE, you loser *** carebear. mmmm delicious tears coolstorybro morememesplz [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]**
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:51:24 - [19] - Quote Krusty the Klown wrote: You seem highly upset over some internet pixel spaceship rule changes. Yawn, meme, meme, meme, I've never had a unique thought, meme, meme, meme. Please tell me how to think, I am but a sheep for memes. Inxentas Ultramar wrote: Should you not have deducted it for yourself, I was referring to sentry gun mechanics in lowsec. Should you not have deducted it for yourself, nobody cares about LowSex. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:54:29 - [20] - Quote R0mparkin wrote: too be fair here. it really is a buff to high sec, with null sec about to burn. why not go to high sec till things calm down. Anything that increases the safety of HiSec, it's biggest feature, is a buff to HiSec. Increasing CONCORD's jurisdiction does in fact make HiSec safer, thus buffing it. And removing an interesting niche of gameplay too. I'm really starting to hate Fozzie. He had some good ideas but mostly EVE has gone downhill. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:58:37 - [21] - Quote Gaan Cathal wrote: Why is this being framed as a Carebears vs Hardcore debate? High-sec AWOXing is a Carebear vs Carebear interaction (minimal risk/cost activities with as little chance of interference as the game allows). As far as I can see from the minutes CCP's standpoint is that AWOXing is an anomalous exception to one of the rules of Highsec - if you attack a non-hostile target in Highsec, Concord blap you. They've made repeated changes to Highsec to stop exploits allowing avoidance of this consequence, this just appears to be a continuance of those changes. You can still AWOX to your heart's content, but if you attack a non-hostile target, you will get Concordokkened. The carebears have the same tools available to them as the hardcore player who's AWOXing. They, too, can bring logi, ECM, and DPS. In fact, the carebears actually have the ADVANTAGE... while the hardcore player who's AWOXing gets an element of surprise, really, he's just 1 person, possibly with 1-2 logi, vs an entire corporation. I mean, basically what this change means is that we cannot expect HiSec players to actually engage with EVE and defend themselves, better let CCP do it based on some tenuous logic of how aggression should work in HiSec. Gaan Cathal wrote: Xuixien wrote: Sorry kid, but there's no such thing as "griefing" in EVE Online once you step out of the rookie systems, it's called "emergent gameplay". Go back to WoW. Actually, repeated harassment of the same individual can reach a point at which it's regarded as griefing by CCP. Oh please, by that logic blowing the same person up in FW would be griefing. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1883	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:01:30 - [22] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: CCP brought up 3 issues: 1) New players get caught by a game mechanic that is not intuitive. The only way around that is either present them with walls of text explaining an odd game mechanic, or change the mechanic. When joining a corporation, be aware that members of the same player corporate are free to engage eachother in combat without the protection of CONCORD. zomgz, WALL OF TEXT. I guess carebears can't be expect to read and learn about the game either! Vincent Athena wrote: The conclusion: The game needs ways to make being in a corp, or growing your corp, more desirable and easier. lol How did every successful corp become successful? By being smart about it, not by having CCP hold their hand. Since this change is mostly a buff to HiSec... if you really want corps in HiSec you have to give people a reason to form corps in HiSec beyond jump clones and tax dodging. They already took away one incentive for POSs. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]