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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5010
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:26:26 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Sarah Flynt wrote:Komi Toran wrote:Generally a positive change. However, I am concerned with industrial speed power creep, which started with the Advanced Industry change. Could you look at adjusting T2 build times back up to compensate for the ~14.3% reduction you're including here? +1 We'll keep an eye on build times to make sure this doesn't spin out of control yes.
Do you also keep an eye on incidents of market saturation and price collapses?
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Psyrelle
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
29
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:30:24 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Psyrelle wrote:Few things I want to get out.
Why the heck are you including force projection in a invention blog. inventers don't give **** about it.
And no as an inventer i would not rather have forced projection fixed than the awesome thing called multi-invention outcome. any realy inveter or industrialist don't use the ingame system for calculation anyway. multi invention would have made my day for this mini expansion/patch.
Also your changes to invention chances. awesome we don't have to use meta items but don't you bullshit us that the invention chances is roughly the same.
Now due to lack of meta items which can be gotten really cheap I go from 71,4% chance of success to 45,05%
And on ammo which i also made a lot of I go from 46,0% to 45,05% Now the ammo is not that bad tbh but when the market is already pretty unstable due to the reprocessing changes its hard to make real iskies.
0,95% less isk means I can barely have above 5isk per unit profit
with the meta lvl decrease I basicly have no profit anymore.
So I urge you to try make it work cause with these changes industry is no longer worth it. Regarding the invention chances, that was comparing the first blog on invention with that one. It's not comparing current invention chances on TQ with that blog, which are going to drop yes.
so what are you gonna do about it?
Cause this is a significant loss.
And as mentioned before margins will only continue to decrease due to idiots(sorry for lack of better words).
Its already hard to make massive amount of isk on invention as it is.
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Jo TwoTimes
Just Like Home
1
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:32:18 -
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Hello, i've made the suggestion a while back but i'll redo it, you never know:
To ease the first steps of new players, i really believe that the scicne skill tree should be split in 2 :
- science should only contain whats needed for TEch 1 manufacturing
new skill folder Invention with the gazillion of various skills needed for invention/manufacturing (ie the encryption process + all that need science V)
That would make it much easier for new players to start training just waht is needed for a bit of T1 manufacturing without having to sort through 30 + skills
otherwsie, love the changes, will try i am skilling up for it |
Gordon Gecco
Bluestar Airlines
1
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:34:27 -
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Quote:Since the Crius release in July, invention only consumes one blueprint copy run at a time. As such we are adding the possibility for Phoebe to queue those runs on a similar manner with Manufacturing runs.
We will keep a close eye on the effect of this change on the game, and we may tweak blueprint job times if the need arises.
I believe this nice change should be exactly the same as manufacturing and I would expect the market to compensate. Please don't ever think about changing this. I really don't see it saturating the t2 market.
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Vesan Terakol
Capsuleer Outfitters
Bad Intention
111
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:35:12 -
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The decrease in invention probability seems like a way to limit the amount of available t2 commodities on the market. It likely is there to compensate for the influx of those as industry became a lot more desirable with the update of the interface. I see it as a positive change. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
1555
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:36:42 -
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i must admit i'm a bit disappointed by the fact that the variable outcomes have been removed.
i't a bit sad that predictability has a higher value for you than the occasional "ohhhh, nice, i got a really good BPC for something really expensive here" moment.
oh, and a 1% te bonus is nothing but a joke. a bad one.
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Komi Toran
Paragon Trust
The Bastion
339
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:51:04 -
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Gilbaron wrote:i't a bit sad that predictability has a higher value for you than the occasional "ohhhh, nice, i got a really good BPC for something really expensive here" moment.
The original idea was still predictable, only over a population rather than a single invention job. That made it needless complexity, and the only people saying "ohhhh, nice" would be those that didn't understand probability and hadn't already factored it into the equation for determining profitability. In other words, the "idiots" other people in this thread complain about. |
Gordon Gecco
Bluestar Airlines
1
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:53:22 -
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Ok guys. Lets just take the shot in the nuts that is the TE bonus and move on. We are men, not null sec cry babies here! |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
1555
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:53:27 -
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even if you know something cool happens every now and then, it's still nice to see it actually happen.
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Nalha Saldana
Shattered Void
Spaceship Samurai
861
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:53:36 -
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What you need to fix with teams is sniping, the only reason that i never use them is because i never managed to get a team to my station. |
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
949
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Posted - 2014.10.30 16:59:50 -
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Gordon Gecco wrote:Ok guys. Lets just take the shot in the nuts that is the TE bonus and move on. We are men, not null sec cry babies here!
The ironic thing is, as a devout nullsec haver, I am perfectly fine with the TE bonus.
Like, what were you all expecting? TE is the only bonus that skills can apply to manufacturing post-Crius. Adding any other concession dilutes the whole purpose of the expansion.
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
196
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:00:25 -
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H3llHound wrote:Psyrelle wrote:Few things I want to get out.
Why the heck are you including force projection in a invention blog. inventers don't give **** about it.
And no as an inventer i would not rather have forced projection fixed than the awesome thing called multi-invention outcome. any realy inveter or industrialist don't use the ingame system for calculation anyway. multi invention would have made my day for this mini expansion/patch.
Also your changes to invention chances. awesome we don't have to use meta items but don't you bullshit us that the invention chances is roughly the same.
Now due to lack of meta items which can be gotten really cheap I go from 71,4% chance of success to 45,05%
And on ammo which i also made a lot of I go from 46,0% to 45,05% Now the ammo is not that bad tbh but when the market is already pretty unstable due to the reprocessing changes its hard to make real iskies.
0,95% less isk means I can barely have above 5isk per unit profit
with the meta lvl decrease I basicly have no profit anymore.
So I urge you to try make it work cause with these changes industry is no longer worth it. Where do you see force projection comments? 
Near the end of the blog. Refers to the new jump system in nullsec. It is actually quite important as once nullsec people go back to killing each other more people will log on in nullsec and the economy will improve.
" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick.
" Find out what ? "-áAbraham.
" They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick.
Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
417
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:01:57 -
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Jo TwoTimes wrote:Hello, i've made the suggestion a while back but i'll redo it, you never know:
To ease the first steps of new players, i really believe that the science skill tree should be split in 2 :
- science should only contain whats needed for T 1 manufacturing
new skill folder 'Invention' with the gazillion of various skills needed for invention/T2 manufacturing (ie the encryption process skills + all that needs science V)
That would make it much easier for new players to start training just what is needed for a bit of T1 manufacturing without having to sort through 30 + skills
otherwise, love the changes, will try it, I am skilling up for it
Or like Theoretical Science and Applied Science as the two levels/categories. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
196
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:08:34 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:I thought the racial decryptors added a nice cultural and sci fi variety rather than needless complexity.
As per usual it's over-simplification that is more the problem. Some of the new names being used to rename modules such as 'ample' are just plain ghastly.
" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick.
" Find out what ? "-áAbraham.
" They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick.
Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
72
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:14:48 -
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Just wow ccp.. just wow.. you didn't take not one bit of suggestions from the feedback thread.. you didn't even discuss it with us.. you just went with what you wanted.
is this what it feels like to be bish slapped?
ouch! my jaw hurts cause its on the floor right now..
wow just wow.. 1% TE invention bonus.. not only that you've dropped the levels to build down to lvl 1.. zero compensation for folks who leveled up to distance themselves from newbs.. im greatly disappointed with these changes.. you didn't even take discuss this with us.. you just steamrolled it into Phoebe.. wow just wow |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
319
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:16:22 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:Just wow ccp.. just wow.. you didn't take not one bit of suggestions from the feedback thread.. you didn't even discuss it with us.. you just went with what you wanted. is this what it feels like to be bish slapped? ouch! my jaw hurts cause its on the floor right now.. wow just wow.. 1% TE invention bonus.. not only that you've dropped the levels to build down to lvl 1.. zero compensation for folks who leveled up to distance themselves from newbs.. im greatly disappointed with these changes.. you didn't even take discuss this with us.. you just steamrolled it into Phoebe.. wow just wow
I have every construction skill to V. I like this change. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5012
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:17:25 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:I thought the racial decryptors added a nice cultural and sci fi variety rather than needless complexity. As per usual it's over-simplification that is more the problem. Some of the new names being used to rename modules such as 'ample' are just plain ghastly.
I still hope they are only placeholders until someone from the writing staff is free to go over the modules and add more lore appropriate names.
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
196
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:17:42 -
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Regarding compensation for the sets of interfaces that a lot of industrialists will still own has any thought be given as to the amount of compensation given to everyone for them  Some people will have bought or constructed them before the hacking mini-game obliterated the market in exploration derived loot items. Whereas others will have acquired or constructed them after the exploration loot prices collapse. The four ship interfaces used to sell for a hell of a lot of ISK relative to now.
With the impending over-simplification of decryptors and their use removed from the construction of COSMOS modules do you predict an additional collapse in the market for decryptors and exploration loot/exploration as a career option
" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick.
" Find out what ? "-áAbraham.
" They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick.
Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:18:06 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:zero compensation for folks who leveled up to distance themselves from newbs.
Actually, the compensation would be 4% TE per skill that you have at 5 that a noob would have at 1. |
EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC
Goonswarm Federation
319
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:18:57 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Regarding compensation for the sets of interfaces that a lot of industrialists will still own has any thought be given as to the amount of compensation given to everyone for them Some people will have bought or constructed them before the hacking mini-game obliterated the market in exploration derived loot items. Whereas others will have acquired or constructed them after the exploration loot prices collapse. The four ship interfaces used to sell for a hell of a lot of ISK relative to now. With the impending over-simplification of decryptors and their use removed from the construction of COSMOS modules do you predict an additional collapse in the market for decryptors and exploration loot/exploration as a career option
You can probably count on one hand the number of decryptors used daily for COSMOS modules. |
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
950
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:19:56 -
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote:Regarding compensation for the sets of interfaces that a lot of industrialists will still own has any thought be given as to the amount of compensation given to everyone for them Some people will have bought or constructed them before the hacking mini-game obliterated the market in exploration derived loot items. Whereas others will have acquired or constructed them after the exploration loot prices collapse. The four ship interfaces used to sell for a hell of a lot of ISK relative to now.
Wow GÇö talk about a Hail Mary. I guess it never hurts to ask, but this is exceedingly silly and is not going to happen.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Aebe Amraen
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
98
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:26:49 -
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1% time reduction on a 5x skill?
This is a joke, right? |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
945
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:27:20 -
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So understanding this, I can now invent happily and manufacture tediously all the things on all my alts now, as I just need level 1, while my alts posses min level 3 in the skills?
Nice, I am happy with that
Invention bonus and a time bonus.
Now I have a very good reason to have their skills up.
Oh look my wallet just threw itself into the teer tanker to save time on the plex issue. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
950
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:30:30 -
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In case you all hadn't noticed GÇö CCP has not, historically, performed any kind of compensation upon the easing of skill requirements for anything. If you're expecting some sort of largesse to come drifting out of the clouds because you endured some insensate MISJUSTICE by training a skill to 5 and then find, in the future, that it doesn't do the same thing, you're both a fool and have a really poor memory of the track record for these sorts of things.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
27
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:32:25 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Milla Goodpussy wrote:zero compensation for folks who leveled up to distance themselves from newbs. Actually, the compensation would be 4% TE per skill that you have at 5 that a noob would have at 1.
Yes, because that will lead to more iskies when we usually only have jobs running for 8 hours a day anyways....yep, sounds about right. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
950
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:33:21 -
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Lil' Brudder Too wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:Milla Goodpussy wrote:zero compensation for folks who leveled up to distance themselves from newbs. Actually, the compensation would be 4% TE per skill that you have at 5 that a noob would have at 1. Yes, because that will lead to more iskies when we usually only have jobs running for 8 hours a day anyways....yep, sounds about right.
Run longer jobs. With invention batching, there's no excuse!
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Psyrelle
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
29
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:33:22 -
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As it is right now. Id rather you take this entire mess of a invention "fix" back to the drawing board and ship it with the next patch/mini expansion.
Cause frankly this is ****.
Read what people is suggesting instead of doing the I like this so screw everyone I am gonna implement it.
This is the only good thing.
"Multiple Invention runs
Since the Crius release in July, invention only consumes one blueprint copy run at a time. As such we are adding the possibility for Phoebe to queue those runs on a similar manner with Manufacturing runs.
We will keep a close eye on the effect of this change on the game, and we may tweak blueprint job times if the need arises." |
Arcos Vandymion
White Beast Inc.
73
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:35:13 -
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I shouldn't have sold me Legion two weeks ago.
$%&-ş ! |
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
27
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:35:51 -
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Querns wrote:Lil' Brudder Too wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:Milla Goodpussy wrote:zero compensation for folks who leveled up to distance themselves from newbs. Actually, the compensation would be 4% TE per skill that you have at 5 that a noob would have at 1. Yes, because that will lead to more iskies when we usually only have jobs running for 8 hours a day anyways....yep, sounds about right. Run longer jobs. With invention batching, there's no excuse!
Okay, and exactly how am i supposed to run 'longer jobs' if i can only run the max 10 runs off each copy to begin with? |
Capsups
Blitzkrieg.
Get Off My Lawn
5
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Posted - 2014.10.30 17:38:10 -
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Dev blog wrote:
Blueprint copies will be reimbursed at a static price.
Does this mean all current T3 BPCs will be reimbursed into ISK? If that's the case, could you guys elaborate on what this price is and how it was/will be calculated? |
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