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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
20
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Posted - 2014.11.03 16:32:23 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote: I'd never think that I'll hear such words from fellow Caldari. Especially that it indicates that you think about much of your fellow Caldari people as "peasants and slaves".
Not everyone flies ships big enought to use jump drives and not everyone likes to fly such a ships - for example I prefer smaller vessels and consider battlecruiser as a little to big and clumsy for my likings.
does that makes me "peasant" or maybe "slave"?
please next time think a little before you'll start saying things that even Amarrians are avoiding.
Oh, you are a real party animal, aren't you? |
Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
71
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Posted - 2014.11.03 16:39:44 -
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Ragnar STS wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:And where's the papers? If you claim that Vitoxin remnants are the cause for Jump Fatigue, you need to provide the research papers that contain the experiment methods and the data! I know of a historic and legendary country whose intelligence motto was thus: "You can know a lot more than you can prove."
Aka I'm bull****ing and I just got called on it.
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4784
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:01:47 -
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Don't worry, fellow space friends - there's a reasonable explanation for all of this!
This is actually a rare case of CONCORD catching a potential capsuleer-specific medical issue before it resulted in serious problems. Recent research by DED medical researchers discovered that repeated and frequent use of jump drives within a short time period was causing very serious, compounding neurosynaptic strain. I mean, I'm sure all of us who've used jump drives are familiar with how jarring the experience can be, and have suffered the occasional migraine afterwards, but this is on a whole different level. We're talking possible permanent brain damage, impaired memory, perceptional defects, social complications - CONCORD's capsule firmware upgrade seems fairly drastic and unneccessary to me, but there is at least a firm reasoning behind it.
But I mean, you should all already know this - you all schedule time to read the weekly science periodicals CONCORD sends us, right?
Mane 614
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4043
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:20:42 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:This is on a whole different level. We're talking possible permanent brain damage, impaired memory, perceptional defects, social complications...
In capsuleers?
...How would anybody have noticed?
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi Ushra'Khan
397
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:50:20 -
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Yesterday I submitted over fifty samples to an Duvolle Laboratories facility for extensive testing. These biological samples were gathered from a range of ships in both my own hangars and those of other pilots. The intent of course was to establish the beginnings of a database for which to assess the possible extent of the issue. Naturally, I chose a non-Minmatar institution to reduce the inevitable claims of bias that would follow any findings by Matari science.
Unfortunately, the tests have not been run as the samples were rejected by the lab. Apparently the Gallentean researchers lack the constitution to handle fifty Fedo's and complained excessively about the smell when they opened the transit cages. It is a shame really, those Fedo's have been licking decks clean of pod goo residues for years and are undoubtedly loaded with the stuff.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2014.11.04 01:10:58 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Don't worry, fellow space friends - there's a reasonable explanation for all of this!
This is actually a rare case of CONCORD catching a potential capsuleer-specific medical issue before it resulted in serious problems. Recent research by DED medical researchers discovered that repeated and frequent use of jump drives within a short time period was causing very serious, compounding neurosynaptic strain. I mean, I'm sure all of us who've used jump drives are familiar with how jarring the experience can be, and have suffered the occasional migraine afterwards, but this is on a whole different level. We're talking possible permanent brain damage, impaired memory, perceptional defects, social complications - CONCORD's capsule firmware upgrade seems fairly drastic and unneccessary to me, but there is at least a firm reasoning behind it.
But I mean, you should all already know this - you all schedule time to read the weekly science periodicals CONCORD sends us, right?
Here's the interesting bit though. Jump drives had been used for years, and issues are only starting to crop up *now*? Now, I can understand if the symptoms are manifesting in long-time users of jump drives *only*, but from how I understand it, even the new users are manifesting symptoms. You have to admit that there is something smelly here, and it ain't a Fedo. |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
2
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:29:16 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote: Oh, you are a real party animal, aren't you?
Would you mind to clarify what did you mean wth that statement?
Ugleb wrote:Yesterday I submitted over fifty samples to an Duvolle Laboratories facility for extensive testing. These biological samples were gathered from a range of ships in both my own hangars and those of other pilots. The intent of course was to establish the beginnings of a database for which to assess the possible extent of the issue. Naturally, I chose a non-Minmatar institution to reduce the inevitable claims of bias that would follow any findings by Matari science.
Unfortunately, the tests have not been run as the samples were rejected by the lab. Apparently the Gallentean researchers lack the constitution to handle fifty Fedo's and complained excessively about the smell when they opened the transit cages. It is a shame really, those Fedo's have been licking decks clean of pod goo residues for years and are undoubtedly loaded with the stuff.
If you Matars can take advice from Caldari....
never trust Gallenteans... You should try with Caldari Research labs at least you would be sure that they will treat the matter more seriously. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2014.11.04 09:48:13 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote: Oh, you are a real party animal, aren't you?
Would you mind to clarify what did you mean wth that statement? Ugleb wrote:Yesterday I submitted over fifty samples to an Duvolle Laboratories facility for extensive testing. These biological samples were gathered from a range of ships in both my own hangars and those of other pilots. The intent of course was to establish the beginnings of a database for which to assess the possible extent of the issue. Naturally, I chose a non-Minmatar institution to reduce the inevitable claims of bias that would follow any findings by Matari science.
Unfortunately, the tests have not been run as the samples were rejected by the lab. Apparently the Gallentean researchers lack the constitution to handle fifty Fedo's and complained excessively about the smell when they opened the transit cages. It is a shame really, those Fedo's have been licking decks clean of pod goo residues for years and are undoubtedly loaded with the stuff. If you Matars can take advice from Caldari.... never trust Gallenteans... You should try with Caldari Research labs at least you would be sure that they will treat the matter more seriously.
You heard the lady! Ship all the Fedo to her hangar! |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
3
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:18:29 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:
You heard the lady! Ship all the Fedo to her hangar!
I need to dissapoint you but as I'm from scientist family I'm not scientist myself - I'm military pilot.
although maybe my brother Manweru will be able to help you... ah wait, he was never patient enought for this I suppose that he will be capable of this.
Darn I should check on him more often so I would not have such problems [smiles]
wait I should be capable of having someone running those researches for you bring those fedos to my Squadron's HQ at Hentoigara - although you need to hurry we are moving with HQ soon. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4789
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:15:06 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Here's the interesting bit though. Jump drives had been used for years, and issues are only starting to crop up *now*? Now, I can understand if the symptoms are manifesting in long-time users of jump drives *only*, but from how I understand it, even the new users are manifesting symptoms. You have to admit that there is something smelly here, and it ain't a Fedo. I did say that this is a rare case of CONCORD catching a problem before it became an issue - almost no cases of serious, irreparable brain damage have cropped up, only a lot of pilots complaining of headaches, vertigo, mild problems with cognition and memory. This is a fairly recent development, since the use of capsuleer jumpdrives has only really taken off in the past few years, so it stands to reason that it's only recently that we've got people beginning to experience noticeable adverse side-effects of heavy jumpdrive usage. Consequently, the CONCORD study that brought all of this up only came out a few months ago.
But this was all in the CONCORD weekly science periodical - you guys do read them, right?
... I'm not the only one, am I?
Mane 614
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Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
32
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:44:52 -
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I have never received a CONCORD weekly science periodical in my life. I'd question the contents though, given the source. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:52:27 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Here's the interesting bit though. Jump drives had been used for years, and issues are only starting to crop up *now*? Now, I can understand if the symptoms are manifesting in long-time users of jump drives *only*, but from how I understand it, even the new users are manifesting symptoms. You have to admit that there is something smelly here, and it ain't a Fedo. I did say that this is a rare case of CONCORD catching a problem before it became an issue - almost no cases of serious, irreparable brain damage have cropped up, only a lot of pilots complaining of headaches, vertigo, mild problems with cognition and memory. This is a fairly recent development, since the use of capsuleer jumpdrives has only really taken off in the past few years, so it stands to reason that it's only recently that we've got people beginning to experience noticeable adverse side-effects of heavy jumpdrive usage. Consequently, the CONCORD study that brought all of this up only came out a few months ago. But this was all in the CONCORD weekly science periodical - you guys do read them, right? ... I'm not the only one, am I?
If such a periodical exists, I am clearly not in the mailing list.
But as I mentioned, long-time users complaining wouldn't raise much scepticism, at least from my part. It's the new users experiencing the onset of fatigue, the same one those old-timers had, is what makes me sceptical.
New users, not old-timers. Suffering similar symptoms. Now. After so many years of non-issue with jump drive usage.
I believe I do not need to make it any clearer just how odd this is. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4051
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:48:45 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:This was all in the CONCORD weekly science periodical - you guys do read them, right? ... I'm not the only one, am I?
CONCORD directives underpinned by data that appeared in a CONCORD science periodical?
I hope you can understand why I would prefer a more independent source, at least in this instance.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1395
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:20:47 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Jump gates are for peasants and slaves! I'd never think that I'll hear such words from fellow Caldari. Especially that it indicates that you think about much of your fellow Caldari people as "peasants and slaves". Not everyone flies ships big enought to use jump drives and not everyone likes to fly such a ships - for example I prefer smaller vessels and consider battlecruiser as a little to big and clumsy for my likings. does that makes me "peasant" or maybe "slave"? please next time think a little before you'll start saying things that even Amarrians are avoiding. about "disease" as long as I'll not be shown scientific research prooving word of that minmatar - preferably research made by Caldari Scientist - I cannot care less. Joke, ma'am. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4053
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:28:11 -
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Joke?
Kim, if you ever had a sense of humour then it cried itself to sleep for the last time and died alone, forgotten and unmourned in its cold stone cell years ago.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Shae Mataar
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
14
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:33:05 -
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i bring that which you fear the most
freedom
no matter what the price
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
72
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:44:54 -
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Stitcher wrote:Joke?
Kim, if you ever had a sense of humour then it cried itself to sleep for the last time and died alone, forgotten and unmourned in its cold stone cell years ago.
Burn!!!
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
70
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:43:21 -
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Definitely true the Kim has no sense of humor. Only a compelling need to troll other noble capsuleers. I find this more interesting:
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
You heard the lady! Ship all the Fedo to her hangar!
I need to dissapoint you but as I'm from scientist family I'm not scientist myself - I'm military pilot.
I say we send her the Fedos anyway. Her 'military pilot' record consists of only 3 frigate losses 7 months ago. The most recent was a frig with 2 warp core stabs fitted and nothing else. I'm sure she would have fit more (stabs) but there were only two low slots available. Seems to me the more likely story is that she is a corporate or Amarr paid lobbyist in the government at best, or a misinformation agent sent by CONCORD/Amarr covert agencies.
Now that our freedom has been drastically reduced by these obscene changes to jump drive control systems I'm sure she will be taking a few weeks off to enjoy being patted on the back by her overlords. Several of my crew were injured when the agents came aboard to 'upgrade' my jump systems. CONCORD or Amarr or nothing....I feel my crew's blood is on this fake fighter's hands. Today her pen was mightier than the sword. Andrea Cemenotar's day will come. |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:16:44 -
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Don't pods come equipped with onboard diagnostic systems to catch this kind of thing? I mean, I've never taken my pod apart to study its internal systems, but it seems that there would be some sort of sensor or filter (or both) that would prevent contaminents from being allowed to build up in the pod, or at least notify the pilot so they can dock for maintiance.... |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:33:00 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Don't pods come equipped with onboard diagnostic systems to catch this kind of thing? I mean, I've never taken my pod apart to study its internal systems, but it seems that there would be some sort of sensor or filter (or both) that would prevent contaminents from being allowed to build up in the pod, or at least notify the pilot so they can dock for maintiance....
When you fill your pod with goo, the diagnostic systems reads that and uses the readings as control, with which to measure subsequent readings. As such, if the goo is already contaminated when introduced into the pod before use, the diagnostic system won't detect unusual as it would treat the particle count as control.
The spectrophotometry and other methods to detect contamination before flight is done outside the pod. |
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Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
6
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Posted - 2014.11.06 10:04:29 -
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Ragnar STS wrote: I say we send her the Fedos anyway. Her 'military pilot' record consists of only 3 frigate losses 7 months ago. All with nothing but warp core stabs fitted and nothing else. I'm sure she would have fit more (stabs) but there were only two or three low slots available. Seems to me the more likely story is that she is a corporate or Amarr paid lobbyist in the government at best, or a misinformation agent sent by CONCORD/Amarr covert agencies.
Now that our freedom has been drastically reduced by these obscene changes to jump drive control systems I'm sure she will be taking a few weeks off to enjoy being patted on the back by her overlords. Several of my crew were injured when the agents came aboard to 'upgrade' my jump systems. CONCORD or Amarr or nothing....I feel my crew's blood is on this fake fighter's hands. Today her pen was mightier than the sword. Andrea Cemenotar's day will come.
Huh feel a little invigilated right now.
Yes my previous Warfare career was not the brightest ones and the frigates you mentioned - these was scounting missions very beginning of my activity on Warfront and also missions failed.
You may ask why then there are no more records on kill-loss table of mine - I can tell you - because one of doctrines of scouting missions consist "don't get caught, don't engage" and considering lack of later looses - I'll let you work it out yourself.
You have very conveniently ignored other part of my post.
and you are good at taking totaly false assumption based on little hints.
I'm not serving Amarr not concord - I'm serving for Caldari Navy and noone else.
and within next "phew" weeks I'm going to be "enjoying" big amount of paper works that comes with my next assignment.
Also I think that your post here proves quite much how paranoic and not to be trusted Matars are. I wanted to help you with your problem and you turned accusing me and even more - mocking me.
and at the end - Major Cemenotar - unless you are close friend or family and you are neither - you are not allowed to miss my rank when refering to me. |
Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
70
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Posted - 2014.11.06 13:35:32 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote: and at the end - Major Cemenotar - unless you are close friend or family and you are neither - you are not allowed to miss my rank when refering to me.
I wasn't going to bring up the concept of rank. Generally one does treat foreign military members with the same level of respect as the equivalent local military rank.
I will say anything I like to you, you disgusting embarrassment to your uniform. Your pathetic combat record even includes your own overlords in the Amarr militia killing you once. Perhaps you did not respect their rank in a similar way that you ignored mine.
**** off desk jockey.
Valklear General Ragnar STS |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
6
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:41:05 -
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Ragnar STS wrote:Andrea Cemenotar wrote: and at the end - Major Cemenotar - unless you are close friend or family and you are neither - you are not allowed to miss my rank when refering to me.
I wasn't going to bring up the concept of rank. Generally one does treat foreign military members with the same level of respect as the equivalent local military rank. I will say anything I like to you, you disgusting embarrassment to your uniform. Your pathetic combat record even includes your own overlords in the Amarr militia killing you once. Perhaps you did not respect their rank in a similar way that you ignored mine. **** off desk jockey. Valklear General Ragnar STS
First of all I have no responsibility to explain any part of my military career before you Matar. at the second You should first study all the case then state your opinions on any matter
Yes I agree at that moment when I was fighting within Caldari territory by official meanings I was working of the 24th Crusade. On the order of My Caldari Navy superiors
and Yes one of my frigate was shot down by destroyer which also was serving under the same flag
and no there was no reason for that as you called him "overlord" to do it - and I know exacly what was his only reason to shoot my ship down.
Because he was traitor who was in the ranks of crusade mostly for being able to engage and kill other vessels without any restrictions of Concord - You could ask what restrictions of Concord can one meet in Low Security space?
because even there atacking other capsuleers without provocation brings down your security status which under certain level make you at least not welcome within high security space.
but as by concord meaning we were members of same corporation even such restriction didn't occured and thats why he shot me.
and "General" If anyone dishinors his uniform right now its you. I wanted to help you agreed to make my scientist friends taking serious care of your case and your samples. and in the answer You showed great disrespect mockered me and tried to judge record of my combats against other capsuleers without having any kind of knowledge what was my orders and how those loses of frigates occured.
In Caldari Navy such person would not hold General rank for long. I'm very sorry to discover that point of other persons here in teh summits about Matar people are being confirmed by high ranked Matar Officers.
PS. I didn't Ignored your rank in any point - You didn't mentioned it not even once in my presence. I hope that this will give you reason for thinking about your stance here General.
and....
Frak off with those fedos. I'm not going to help person who responds on offering of help by mockery and insults |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:47:47 -
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Why are we discussing ranks now? Everyone ignores mine all the time, you dont see me getting all up in arms about it.
-Grand Admiral of The Imaginary Fleet, Tyrel Toov |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:55:39 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Why are we discussing ranks now? Everyone ignores mine all the time, you dont see me getting all up in arms about it. -Grand Admiral of The Imaginary Fleet, Tyrel Toov
The ranks are just pretty little titles to make you feel important. They are giving out ranks to PRIVATEERS. Seriously. I received titles for shooting down enough Amarrian vessels and making a nuisance of myself just for the loyalty points and the consequent profit. I barely join any major operations planned for strategic victories and I still got a title.
It's a farce, I tell you.
And no, don't even think you can get anyone in the actual military to get you a free coffee just because you are 'Lance Commander'. The rank doesn't mean anything. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
812
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:59:29 -
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Everyone is aware that the militias are privateer organizations, and not actual militaries, right? Militia ranks are about as important as, well, Mr. Toov's jest.
*Edit* What Mr. Egivand said. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1398
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:16:58 -
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While minmatar ranks are something they wear just as another tatoo, or how is it called in their primitive language? Vluvoul? Or something like that, just a decoration on their skin.
For Caldari rank is a display of a merit, amount of work you have done for the common good. It is a way to arrange and sort people, so everything can be in order and everyone stands in their place. Rank for Caldari becomes part of name and shows distinctive position in a social ladder. Ranks are given by the State and must be treated with respect, even lowest of them, if you respect the State. |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
7
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:33:19 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Everyone is aware that the militias are privateer organizations, and not actual militaries, right? Militia ranks are about as important as, well, Mr. Toov's jest.
*Edit* What Mr. Egivand said.
As I understand that our little argue on matter of ranks was irrelevant to the topic of disease.
Although My rank was not earned within ranks of militia but earned during my service in Caldari Navy before I even became capsuleer. |
Deitra Vess
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:27:28 -
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Diana Kim wrote:While minmatar ranks are something they wear just as another tatoo, or how is it called in their primitive language? Vluvoul? Or something like that, just a decoration on their skin.
For Caldari rank is a display of a merit, amount of work you have done for the common good. It is a way to arrange and sort people, so everything can be in order and everyone stands in their place. Rank for Caldari becomes part of name and shows distinctive position in a social ladder. Ranks are given by the State and must be treated with respect, even lowest of them, if you respect the State.
The voluval mark is a relatively permanent way of telling ALOT more than just your rank...... Your little rank hierarchy, aside from looking good on a data sheet serves no other purpose than filing officers in a spreadsheet. It tells nothing about you outside of your service. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1398
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:37:06 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote:While minmatar ranks are something they wear just as another tatoo, or how is it called in their primitive language? Vluvoul? Or something like that, just a decoration on their skin.
For Caldari rank is a display of a merit, amount of work you have done for the common good. It is a way to arrange and sort people, so everything can be in order and everyone stands in their place. Rank for Caldari becomes part of name and shows distinctive position in a social ladder. Ranks are given by the State and must be treated with respect, even lowest of them, if you respect the State. The voluval mark is a relatively permanent way of telling ALOT more than just your rank...... Your little rank hierarchy, aside from looking good on a data sheet serves no other purpose than filing officers in a spreadsheet. It tells nothing about you outside of your service. The service is the life, Ms. Vess. And, unlike voluval mark, it doesn't mean something permanent. It depends on your actions. If you will do merited deeds, you will get ranked up. You will fail to meet objective or do something disgracing, you will lose a rank.
If you will become an Admiral, it doesn't mean you will remain Admiral, if you won't behave like a merited Admiral must. The rank isn't just like a tattoo, that you can receive and be happy about it. You must strive not just to achieve it, but to maintain it as well. |
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