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Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
64
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Posted - 2014.11.01 23:19:19 -
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Danger may be creeping up on capsuleers everywhere.
Many may remember years ago when it was made public knowledge that Amarr slavers were injecting minmatar slaves with Vitoc. This horrible viral agent was fatal unless regular injections of an antidote was given to counteract the chemicals created by infected cells. Many attempts at a permanent cure have been made including nanotechnology, anti-viral phages, and tribal shaman natural cures. Some planetside individuals and capsuleers have been found to have trace levels of infection showing non-lethal levels of Vitoc -- even though they were born free and never seen been abused in Amarr captivity.
It is thought that we have been exposed through pod goo of stolen/liberated Amarr ships that were then turned against the enemy.
It seems a unique problem is starting to occur. These freeborn people, myself included, are getting temporary sickness including hallucinations, liver failure, kidney failure, heart failure, muscular weakness, and seizures. These events are relatively short lived, but only occur after great levels of star travel. Gate to gate travel has not brought on vitoc sickness...only extended jump drive use.
Several capsuleers hallucinating while in control of massive capital fleets may be disastrous to both themselves and others. Imagine the fallout from not properly locking onto a cynosural field and instead winding up in a random piece of space with no systems in scan range? One could even end up accidented into the middle of a highsec system against CONCORD rules.
Since this is a sickness of the mind and body, could CONCORD really hold them accountable for their actions? Perhaps we need to do something about the initial cause of the delirium and reduce the ability to cover 100s of lightyears of space in a single day.
It is very sad that these restrictions might be placed on us. I find it fitting though that the Amarr Empire's greed, along with other supporting entities such as the Sansha and CVA will be to blame for this catastrophic blow to capsuleer freedom. Perhaps more free-minded peoples will join in arms against them to reduce the likelihood of further destruction to the entire human race. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1384
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Posted - 2014.11.01 23:40:17 -
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As far as I remember, the Vitoc IS that antidote, containing some sort of drugs and antidote to vitoxin. This means presence of Vitoc in the capsule should cause only drugging effect on the subject without causing vitoxin infection with known consequences.
And, you know, this slave controlling method may sound atrocious, but now I understand why Amarr actually used this approach and I fully agree with their decision. For example, after talking with such minmatar specimen as Annabella Rella, I am pretty sure, that you can't get anything useful out of her, unless she will be under Vitoc. So, I guess it is my NO to any actions against the Empire for using Vitoc.
As for founding Vitoc in capsules, I have only one thing left to say: Stop using drugs. |
Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
17
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Posted - 2014.11.01 23:42:35 -
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Ragnar STS wrote: Since this is a sickness of the mind and body, could CONCORD really hold them accountable for their actions? Perhaps we need to do something about the initial cause of the delirium and reduce the ability to cover 100s of lightyears of space in a single day.
I think first of all, CONCORD needs to deal with prime cause of this problem. Confront Amarr and ban Vitoc for good.
But apparently they are more concerned about us getting a lot of sleeper salvage |
Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
64
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Posted - 2014.11.01 23:48:04 -
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@Diana Kim Typical Amarr. You confuse the problem, the method, and the solution.
Vitoc Method is a way of controlling slaves.
Vitoxin is created by the vitoc virus; removing the need to semi-regular vitoxin injections.
Vitoxin Cure is not permanent; it is 'the antidote' for the vitoxin. It does nothing for the actual Vitoc virus.
The cycle of stupidity continues. You regularly inject your slaves to keep them loyal to you with no actual knowledge of what you're doing. People are just people. Regular, free, untampered people do not NEED injections daily to live.
Maybe had more intelligent minds ruled at the outset, Vitox never would have been invented. Imagine the creative, social, industrial, and commercial gains we could have by now if we weren't stuck fighting this ridiculous man made disease. Creating this cycle of death has now gotten out of your control and is infecting the rest of the populace.
@Jaret Victorian I agree the relationship is strange between these revelations of disease from the doctors and the new destroyer class being showcased by the Amarr. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
1612
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Posted - 2014.11.01 23:49:09 -
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Vitoxin is the disease. Vitoc is the temporary antidote.
[i]"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"[/i]
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
795
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Posted - 2014.11.01 23:54:09 -
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This is sensationalist nonsense that has no basis in reality. Unless Mr. Ragnar has some legitimate news or scientific articles to quote to prove his accusations this is irrelevant.
And for the record, I'm speaking as someone who doesn't particularly support the vitoc method. The threat of runaway mutations is a legitimate concern, but the claim made in this post has no basis in any fact. |
Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
17
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Posted - 2014.11.02 00:00:06 -
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Yeah... Right?.. Drugging people into slavery is as bad as modifying people's bodies to make slaves out of them. |
Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
65
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Posted - 2014.11.02 01:35:08 -
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I must say that, at first, it feels a little bit like when you first learn to jumpclone. The act of willfully taking your conciousness and zapping it over to another body is obviously a bit foreign. We all feel a bit woozy when our pods get popped and the emergency transfer happens too. You can't tell me you don't have a little bit of 'missed time' or 'lag' when you suffer an emergency transfer. There are already safeguards in place against repeated clone jumping, and most of avoid frequent death. Jumping along with the entire ship and your regular body is obviously not as dangerous or disorienting....but it does seem to be getting worse.
Can any other capital pilots confirm or deny feeling a little bit lightheaded during the last few months while jumping? Why just the other day Equinox Daedalus admitted to having a small (cough) case of erectile dysfunction after a jump marathon evacing assets from one of our advances. All the freedom fighters knew this to be a not often talked about side effect of Vitoxin buildup. Imagine the surprise of the Amarr holder to the realization that his own tools are beginning to have an effect on him. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2014.11.02 03:39:34 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Yeah... Right?.. Drugging people into slavery is as bad as modifying people's bodies to make slaves out of them.
What do you mean one is worse than the other? Making slaves out of people, reducing human beings into property, is bad no matter the method.
Ragnar, are you referring to the so-called 'Jump Fatigue' that has been making the rounds lately? I hear it has less to do with Vitoxin and more to do with the hardware of jump drives having compatibility issues with pod hardware resulting in the need of stronger, more frequent synapses to activate the jump drive module, causing serious mental fatigue. |
Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
65
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Posted - 2014.11.02 06:45:44 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: Ragnar, are you referring to the so-called 'Jump Fatigue' that has been making the rounds lately? I hear it has less to do with Vitoxin and more to do with the hardware of jump drives having compatibility issues with pod hardware resulting in the need of stronger, more frequent synapses to activate the jump drive module, causing serious mental fatigue.
I am. Though I don't think it is 'fatigue'. I think that is the white washed name they are giving it. When was the last time you hallucinated just because you were 'tired'. We've all heard of genetic engineered viruses and eugenics gone bad. Our scientists are not that well funded. I'm guessing others have had better luck proving this.
All I have is testing in a batch of pods showing strange incomplete segments of Vitoc virus. Rumors are spreading that is actually more like the 'weakened flu mist' and that it is live virus that has been weakened. It isn't completely infecting us....but it is changing our DNA and how we are reacting to jump mechanics or radiation.
For real guys....do you actually just have 'fatigue'? How about mild aches and pains everywhere that could be caused by liver or kidney malfunction. What about hallucinations? CVA fleets busily defending their space or moving assets report 'lack of interest' upon returning to their slave girls.
I don't think the official explanation quite fulfills all these scenarios. |
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1387
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Posted - 2014.11.02 08:02:19 -
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Ava Starfire wrote:Vitoxin is the disease. Vitoc is the temporary antidote. I have just said it earlier. Do minmatar believe that repeating things instead of explaining will make other minmatar understand? Interesting approach.
On the other hand, why would someone request understanding something from a minmatar, right? Especially, if they are "bright" like this:
Ragnar STS wrote:@Diana Kim Typical Amarr pet. Stuff them with vitoc and plantation work they go! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1387
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Posted - 2014.11.02 08:06:54 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Yeah... Right?.. Drugging people into slavery is as bad as modifying people's bodies to make slaves out of them. At first I was like you. Then I met Anabella Rella. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1387
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Posted - 2014.11.02 08:33:41 -
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Ragnar STS wrote:@Diana Kim Typical Amarr pet. You confuse the problem, the method, and the solution.
Vitoc Method is a way of controlling slaves.
Vitoxin is created by the vitoc virus; removing the need to ~annual? vitoxin injections.
Vitoxin Cure is not permanent; it is 'the antidote' for the vitoxin. It does nothing for the actual Vitoc virus. Vitoxin Cure injections are only effective for approximately 24 hours.
The cycle of stupidity continues. You regularly inject your slaves to keep them loyal to you with no actual knowledge of what you're doing. People are just people. Regular, free, untampered people do not NEED injections daily to live.
Maybe had more intelligent minds ruled at the outset, Vitox never would have been invented. Imagine the creative, social, industrial, and commercial gains we could have by now if we weren't stuck fighting this ridiculous man made disease. Creating this cycle of death has now gotten out of your control and is infecting the rest of the populace.
I am sorry, that I have missed this pearl:
Ragnar STS wrote:The cycle of stupidity continues. You regularly inject your slaves... I do my what?
Ragnar STS wrote:The cycle of stupidity continues. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2014.11.02 10:09:35 -
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Ragnar STS wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: Ragnar, are you referring to the so-called 'Jump Fatigue' that has been making the rounds lately? I hear it has less to do with Vitoxin and more to do with the hardware of jump drives having compatibility issues with pod hardware resulting in the need of stronger, more frequent synapses to activate the jump drive module, causing serious mental fatigue.
I am. Though I don't think it is 'fatigue'. I think that is the white washed name they are giving it. When was the last time you hallucinated just because you were 'tired'. We've all heard of genetic engineered viruses and eugenics gone bad. Our scientists are not that well funded. I'm guessing others have had better luck proving this. All I have is testing in a batch of pods showing strange incomplete segments of Vitoc virus. Rumors are spreading that is actually more like the 'weakened flu mist' and that it is live virus that has been weakened. It isn't completely infecting us....but it is changing our DNA and how we are reacting to jump mechanics or radiation. For real guys....do you actually just have 'fatigue'? How about mild aches and pains everywhere that could be caused by liver or kidney malfunction. What about hallucinations? CVA fleets busily defending their space or moving assets report 'lack of interest' upon returning to their slave girls. I don't think the official explanation quite fulfills all these scenarios.
I never did use jump drives and I have no intention of flying anything that uses one for a very long time. It isn't suitable for the kind of work I'm engaged in.
Anyway, your claims are extraordinary, and I sure hope you are familiar with the adage: "Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence'? Do you have any literature which we can peruse to determine the veracity of your claims? |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
642
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Posted - 2014.11.02 10:51:12 -
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Ah yes, of course.
The Minmatar tendency to blame everything on the Amarr Empire, is both amusing and depressing.
Get a small stone in your boot while out walking ? Amarr agents must be distributing small rocks everywhere.
It rained after you put your laundry out to dry in the sunlight ? Amarr weather control satellites.
A bird defecates on your freshly washed and polished ground vehicle ? Not a bird, an Amarr miniature drone.
Spicy food giving you a stomach upset ? The cook must be an Amarr spy.
An envelope arrives at your apartment with a wrong address on it ? Must be Amarr surveillance, watching how you react.
Your neighbour across the street is watching you with binoculars ? Amarr spy. Better keep an eye on them with your telescope.
A child who you thought belonged to your neighbour, steps on your lawn ? They're distributing Amarr nanomachine spying devices.
Infected pod goo, really now. |
Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
17
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Posted - 2014.11.02 12:33:32 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: Making slaves out of people, reducing human beings into property, is bad no matter the method.
Yes, I meant that Amarr slavery is as outrageous as Sansha slavery, that's all.
Is there something wrong with my translation tool... hm...
Diana Kim wrote: At first I was like you. Then I met Anabella Rella.
Haha, Indeed. Still, while we, capsuleers, have a privilege of not being drug-addicted slaves, many baseliners suffer. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
254
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Posted - 2014.11.02 14:30:10 -
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Vitoc is a gift from God and a sign both of his enduring love for his Chosen people (however wayward) and his continued blessing upon the righteous and holy practice of slavery.
If Empyrean capital pilots be suffering a sort of "Vitoc Fatigue" that limits their jump drive capabilities, perhaps we should take this as a sign from God that God finds the amount of jump drive usage among Empyreans to be excessive GÇö perhaps even a threat to his Chosen Empires GÇö and that God is working to reign in the power of the Empyreans somewhat. |
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi Ushra'Khan
396
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Posted - 2014.11.02 20:32:48 -
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The whole thing has CONCORD's grubby finger prints all over it. CONCORD craves stability above all and what does the Vitoc Method ensure but the imposition of order over an otherwise disgruntled populace? Doubtless they will turn to some other explanation to deflect blame away from the Amarr. Better to blame some external factor than to allow for further discord to impact the status quo.
Now if you will all excuse me I need to go lie down, I feel quite...tired.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
27
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:10:36 -
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While this isn't all that far-fetched, it is a bit of a leap to point fingers without a bit more to go on. I have no problem believing both the Imperials and CONCORD would go to great lengths to introduce better controlling elements than they have right now, and this would certainly be both a believable method and tool to follow their motivations and goals. I think I'd need a bit more than "hmm, that's strange" and supposition to make that conclusion though.
In the interest of exploring this further, in case there's something to it, I'll have my own pod fluids and samples from all my clones sent to an independent party for analysis and tests, as well as to any Ushra'Khan party that would like more to go on. I would also appreciate it if U'Ks findings were shared so I could send those to said independent party for comparison.
If any finds prove similar, it'll be rather interesting as right now U'K and Sarz'namarr does not share neither suppliers or any direct affiliation in ship construction or pod fluids as far as I am aware. If the findings don't match up, that might have other implications and if nothing else narrow down possible sources by elimination.
Edited to add:
In the interest of full disclosure, I do not use jump drives on my current stock of ships. This might change within the next few months, but at the moment I largely stick with jumpgates and wormholes. |
Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
69
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:16:07 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:In the interest of full disclosure, I do not use jump drives on my current stock of ships. This might change within the next few months, but at the moment I largely stick with jumpgates and wormholes.
No effects on non-jump travelers. Your 'testing' is about as useful as a gravity check on a hunk of veldspar. I don't even know why you waste the IGS time with your useless arguing. |
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Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
29
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Posted - 2014.11.02 21:22:13 -
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If the pod fluids are infected, they'd have to be infected prior to jump-drive use. Same goes with clones. If there actually is anything to this, it'd have to be a matter of infecting the capsuleer ahead of time, the jump-drive activations triggering the effects in question.
Vitoxin will not spontaneously appear in clones nor pod fluid through jump-drive use.
I'm a bit perturbed by a tentative voice of support, and further support in uncovering any real threat to those of us fighting on the same side being met with such immediate hostility, though. Perhaps I should be less eager to support kin of old in the future. |
Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
70
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Posted - 2014.11.03 00:20:41 -
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The Pod goo is infected? Doesn't that mean they needed to get into a pod that has already been infected? How the **** does that work? Just use fresh pods you morons. Problem solved.
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2014.11.03 01:36:04 -
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And where's the papers? If you claim that Vitoxin remnants are the cause for Jump Fatigue, you need to provide the research papers that contain the experiment methods and the data! |
Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
69
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Posted - 2014.11.03 05:26:58 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:And where's the papers? If you claim that Vitoxin remnants are the cause for Jump Fatigue, you need to provide the research papers that contain the experiment methods and the data!
I know of a historic and legendary country whose intelligence motto was thus:
"You can know a lot more than you can prove." |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2014.11.03 05:48:34 -
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Ragnar STS wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:And where's the papers? If you claim that Vitoxin remnants are the cause for Jump Fatigue, you need to provide the research papers that contain the experiment methods and the data! I know of a historic and legendary country whose intelligence motto was thus: "You can know a lot more than you can prove."
And I know an adage from some of history's greatest thinkers:
"Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Evidence" |
Deitra Vess
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2014.11.03 05:52:45 -
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I'm really not an expert on Vitoc but doesn't it have to be injected into the blood stream? |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2014.11.03 06:29:43 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:I'm really not an expert on Vitoc but doesn't it have to be injected into the blood stream?
Vitoc, the cure, has to be injected to work.
Vitoxin virus, however, can be introduced into the body by injection, ingestion or, in their weaponised form, inhalation. This is why many precautions need to be taken before the virus can be research and why, even despite the precautions, some researchers are still infected. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1394
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Posted - 2014.11.03 09:44:42 -
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Jump gates are for peasants and slaves! |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
1613
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Posted - 2014.11.03 13:23:43 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Hurflblurble!
Indeed.
[i]"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"[/i]
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Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
0
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:26:45 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Jump gates are for peasants and slaves!
I'd never think that I'll hear such words from fellow Caldari. Especially that it indicates that you think about much of your fellow Caldari people as "peasants and slaves".
Not everyone flies ships big enought to use jump drives and not everyone likes to fly such a ships - for example I prefer smaller vessels and consider battlecruiser as a little to big and clumsy for my likings.
does that makes me "peasant" or maybe "slave"?
please next time think a little before you'll start saying things that even Amarrians are avoiding.
about "disease" as long as I'll not be shown scientific research prooving word of that minmatar - preferably research made by Caldari Scientist - I cannot care less. |
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
20
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Posted - 2014.11.03 16:32:23 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote: I'd never think that I'll hear such words from fellow Caldari. Especially that it indicates that you think about much of your fellow Caldari people as "peasants and slaves".
Not everyone flies ships big enought to use jump drives and not everyone likes to fly such a ships - for example I prefer smaller vessels and consider battlecruiser as a little to big and clumsy for my likings.
does that makes me "peasant" or maybe "slave"?
please next time think a little before you'll start saying things that even Amarrians are avoiding.
Oh, you are a real party animal, aren't you? |
Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
71
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Posted - 2014.11.03 16:39:44 -
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Ragnar STS wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:And where's the papers? If you claim that Vitoxin remnants are the cause for Jump Fatigue, you need to provide the research papers that contain the experiment methods and the data! I know of a historic and legendary country whose intelligence motto was thus: "You can know a lot more than you can prove."
Aka I'm bull****ing and I just got called on it.
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4784
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:01:47 -
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Don't worry, fellow space friends - there's a reasonable explanation for all of this!
This is actually a rare case of CONCORD catching a potential capsuleer-specific medical issue before it resulted in serious problems. Recent research by DED medical researchers discovered that repeated and frequent use of jump drives within a short time period was causing very serious, compounding neurosynaptic strain. I mean, I'm sure all of us who've used jump drives are familiar with how jarring the experience can be, and have suffered the occasional migraine afterwards, but this is on a whole different level. We're talking possible permanent brain damage, impaired memory, perceptional defects, social complications - CONCORD's capsule firmware upgrade seems fairly drastic and unneccessary to me, but there is at least a firm reasoning behind it.
But I mean, you should all already know this - you all schedule time to read the weekly science periodicals CONCORD sends us, right?
Mane 614
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4043
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:20:42 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:This is on a whole different level. We're talking possible permanent brain damage, impaired memory, perceptional defects, social complications...
In capsuleers?
...How would anybody have noticed?
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ugleb
Jotunn Risi Ushra'Khan
397
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Posted - 2014.11.03 21:50:20 -
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Yesterday I submitted over fifty samples to an Duvolle Laboratories facility for extensive testing. These biological samples were gathered from a range of ships in both my own hangars and those of other pilots. The intent of course was to establish the beginnings of a database for which to assess the possible extent of the issue. Naturally, I chose a non-Minmatar institution to reduce the inevitable claims of bias that would follow any findings by Matari science.
Unfortunately, the tests have not been run as the samples were rejected by the lab. Apparently the Gallentean researchers lack the constitution to handle fifty Fedo's and complained excessively about the smell when they opened the transit cages. It is a shame really, those Fedo's have been licking decks clean of pod goo residues for years and are undoubtedly loaded with the stuff.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2014.11.04 01:10:58 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Don't worry, fellow space friends - there's a reasonable explanation for all of this!
This is actually a rare case of CONCORD catching a potential capsuleer-specific medical issue before it resulted in serious problems. Recent research by DED medical researchers discovered that repeated and frequent use of jump drives within a short time period was causing very serious, compounding neurosynaptic strain. I mean, I'm sure all of us who've used jump drives are familiar with how jarring the experience can be, and have suffered the occasional migraine afterwards, but this is on a whole different level. We're talking possible permanent brain damage, impaired memory, perceptional defects, social complications - CONCORD's capsule firmware upgrade seems fairly drastic and unneccessary to me, but there is at least a firm reasoning behind it.
But I mean, you should all already know this - you all schedule time to read the weekly science periodicals CONCORD sends us, right?
Here's the interesting bit though. Jump drives had been used for years, and issues are only starting to crop up *now*? Now, I can understand if the symptoms are manifesting in long-time users of jump drives *only*, but from how I understand it, even the new users are manifesting symptoms. You have to admit that there is something smelly here, and it ain't a Fedo. |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
2
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:29:16 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote: Oh, you are a real party animal, aren't you?
Would you mind to clarify what did you mean wth that statement?
Ugleb wrote:Yesterday I submitted over fifty samples to an Duvolle Laboratories facility for extensive testing. These biological samples were gathered from a range of ships in both my own hangars and those of other pilots. The intent of course was to establish the beginnings of a database for which to assess the possible extent of the issue. Naturally, I chose a non-Minmatar institution to reduce the inevitable claims of bias that would follow any findings by Matari science.
Unfortunately, the tests have not been run as the samples were rejected by the lab. Apparently the Gallentean researchers lack the constitution to handle fifty Fedo's and complained excessively about the smell when they opened the transit cages. It is a shame really, those Fedo's have been licking decks clean of pod goo residues for years and are undoubtedly loaded with the stuff.
If you Matars can take advice from Caldari....
never trust Gallenteans... You should try with Caldari Research labs at least you would be sure that they will treat the matter more seriously. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2014.11.04 09:48:13 -
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Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Jaret Victorian wrote: Oh, you are a real party animal, aren't you?
Would you mind to clarify what did you mean wth that statement? Ugleb wrote:Yesterday I submitted over fifty samples to an Duvolle Laboratories facility for extensive testing. These biological samples were gathered from a range of ships in both my own hangars and those of other pilots. The intent of course was to establish the beginnings of a database for which to assess the possible extent of the issue. Naturally, I chose a non-Minmatar institution to reduce the inevitable claims of bias that would follow any findings by Matari science.
Unfortunately, the tests have not been run as the samples were rejected by the lab. Apparently the Gallentean researchers lack the constitution to handle fifty Fedo's and complained excessively about the smell when they opened the transit cages. It is a shame really, those Fedo's have been licking decks clean of pod goo residues for years and are undoubtedly loaded with the stuff. If you Matars can take advice from Caldari.... never trust Gallenteans... You should try with Caldari Research labs at least you would be sure that they will treat the matter more seriously.
You heard the lady! Ship all the Fedo to her hangar! |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
3
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:18:29 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:
You heard the lady! Ship all the Fedo to her hangar!
I need to dissapoint you but as I'm from scientist family I'm not scientist myself - I'm military pilot.
although maybe my brother Manweru will be able to help you... ah wait, he was never patient enought for this I suppose that he will be capable of this.
Darn I should check on him more often so I would not have such problems [smiles]
wait I should be capable of having someone running those researches for you bring those fedos to my Squadron's HQ at Hentoigara - although you need to hurry we are moving with HQ soon. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4789
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:15:06 -
[40] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Here's the interesting bit though. Jump drives had been used for years, and issues are only starting to crop up *now*? Now, I can understand if the symptoms are manifesting in long-time users of jump drives *only*, but from how I understand it, even the new users are manifesting symptoms. You have to admit that there is something smelly here, and it ain't a Fedo. I did say that this is a rare case of CONCORD catching a problem before it became an issue - almost no cases of serious, irreparable brain damage have cropped up, only a lot of pilots complaining of headaches, vertigo, mild problems with cognition and memory. This is a fairly recent development, since the use of capsuleer jumpdrives has only really taken off in the past few years, so it stands to reason that it's only recently that we've got people beginning to experience noticeable adverse side-effects of heavy jumpdrive usage. Consequently, the CONCORD study that brought all of this up only came out a few months ago.
But this was all in the CONCORD weekly science periodical - you guys do read them, right?
... I'm not the only one, am I?
Mane 614
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Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
32
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:44:52 -
[41] - Quote
I have never received a CONCORD weekly science periodical in my life. I'd question the contents though, given the source. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
170
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:52:27 -
[42] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Here's the interesting bit though. Jump drives had been used for years, and issues are only starting to crop up *now*? Now, I can understand if the symptoms are manifesting in long-time users of jump drives *only*, but from how I understand it, even the new users are manifesting symptoms. You have to admit that there is something smelly here, and it ain't a Fedo. I did say that this is a rare case of CONCORD catching a problem before it became an issue - almost no cases of serious, irreparable brain damage have cropped up, only a lot of pilots complaining of headaches, vertigo, mild problems with cognition and memory. This is a fairly recent development, since the use of capsuleer jumpdrives has only really taken off in the past few years, so it stands to reason that it's only recently that we've got people beginning to experience noticeable adverse side-effects of heavy jumpdrive usage. Consequently, the CONCORD study that brought all of this up only came out a few months ago. But this was all in the CONCORD weekly science periodical - you guys do read them, right? ... I'm not the only one, am I?
If such a periodical exists, I am clearly not in the mailing list.
But as I mentioned, long-time users complaining wouldn't raise much scepticism, at least from my part. It's the new users experiencing the onset of fatigue, the same one those old-timers had, is what makes me sceptical.
New users, not old-timers. Suffering similar symptoms. Now. After so many years of non-issue with jump drive usage.
I believe I do not need to make it any clearer just how odd this is. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4051
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Posted - 2014.11.04 14:48:45 -
[43] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:This was all in the CONCORD weekly science periodical - you guys do read them, right? ... I'm not the only one, am I?
CONCORD directives underpinned by data that appeared in a CONCORD science periodical?
I hope you can understand why I would prefer a more independent source, at least in this instance.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1395
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:20:47 -
[44] - Quote
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Jump gates are for peasants and slaves! I'd never think that I'll hear such words from fellow Caldari. Especially that it indicates that you think about much of your fellow Caldari people as "peasants and slaves". Not everyone flies ships big enought to use jump drives and not everyone likes to fly such a ships - for example I prefer smaller vessels and consider battlecruiser as a little to big and clumsy for my likings. does that makes me "peasant" or maybe "slave"? please next time think a little before you'll start saying things that even Amarrians are avoiding. about "disease" as long as I'll not be shown scientific research prooving word of that minmatar - preferably research made by Caldari Scientist - I cannot care less. Joke, ma'am. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4053
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:28:11 -
[45] - Quote
Joke?
Kim, if you ever had a sense of humour then it cried itself to sleep for the last time and died alone, forgotten and unmourned in its cold stone cell years ago.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Shae Mataar
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
14
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:33:05 -
[46] - Quote
i bring that which you fear the most
freedom
no matter what the price
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Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
72
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:44:54 -
[47] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Joke?
Kim, if you ever had a sense of humour then it cried itself to sleep for the last time and died alone, forgotten and unmourned in its cold stone cell years ago.
Burn!!!
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
70
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:43:21 -
[48] - Quote
Definitely true the Kim has no sense of humor. Only a compelling need to troll other noble capsuleers. I find this more interesting:
Andrea Cemenotar wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
You heard the lady! Ship all the Fedo to her hangar!
I need to dissapoint you but as I'm from scientist family I'm not scientist myself - I'm military pilot.
I say we send her the Fedos anyway. Her 'military pilot' record consists of only 3 frigate losses 7 months ago. The most recent was a frig with 2 warp core stabs fitted and nothing else. I'm sure she would have fit more (stabs) but there were only two low slots available. Seems to me the more likely story is that she is a corporate or Amarr paid lobbyist in the government at best, or a misinformation agent sent by CONCORD/Amarr covert agencies.
Now that our freedom has been drastically reduced by these obscene changes to jump drive control systems I'm sure she will be taking a few weeks off to enjoy being patted on the back by her overlords. Several of my crew were injured when the agents came aboard to 'upgrade' my jump systems. CONCORD or Amarr or nothing....I feel my crew's blood is on this fake fighter's hands. Today her pen was mightier than the sword. Andrea Cemenotar's day will come. |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:16:44 -
[49] - Quote
Don't pods come equipped with onboard diagnostic systems to catch this kind of thing? I mean, I've never taken my pod apart to study its internal systems, but it seems that there would be some sort of sensor or filter (or both) that would prevent contaminents from being allowed to build up in the pod, or at least notify the pilot so they can dock for maintiance.... |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:33:00 -
[50] - Quote
Tyrel Toov wrote:Don't pods come equipped with onboard diagnostic systems to catch this kind of thing? I mean, I've never taken my pod apart to study its internal systems, but it seems that there would be some sort of sensor or filter (or both) that would prevent contaminents from being allowed to build up in the pod, or at least notify the pilot so they can dock for maintiance....
When you fill your pod with goo, the diagnostic systems reads that and uses the readings as control, with which to measure subsequent readings. As such, if the goo is already contaminated when introduced into the pod before use, the diagnostic system won't detect unusual as it would treat the particle count as control.
The spectrophotometry and other methods to detect contamination before flight is done outside the pod. |
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Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
6
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Posted - 2014.11.06 10:04:29 -
[51] - Quote
Ragnar STS wrote: I say we send her the Fedos anyway. Her 'military pilot' record consists of only 3 frigate losses 7 months ago. All with nothing but warp core stabs fitted and nothing else. I'm sure she would have fit more (stabs) but there were only two or three low slots available. Seems to me the more likely story is that she is a corporate or Amarr paid lobbyist in the government at best, or a misinformation agent sent by CONCORD/Amarr covert agencies.
Now that our freedom has been drastically reduced by these obscene changes to jump drive control systems I'm sure she will be taking a few weeks off to enjoy being patted on the back by her overlords. Several of my crew were injured when the agents came aboard to 'upgrade' my jump systems. CONCORD or Amarr or nothing....I feel my crew's blood is on this fake fighter's hands. Today her pen was mightier than the sword. Andrea Cemenotar's day will come.
Huh feel a little invigilated right now.
Yes my previous Warfare career was not the brightest ones and the frigates you mentioned - these was scounting missions very beginning of my activity on Warfront and also missions failed.
You may ask why then there are no more records on kill-loss table of mine - I can tell you - because one of doctrines of scouting missions consist "don't get caught, don't engage" and considering lack of later looses - I'll let you work it out yourself.
You have very conveniently ignored other part of my post.
and you are good at taking totaly false assumption based on little hints.
I'm not serving Amarr not concord - I'm serving for Caldari Navy and noone else.
and within next "phew" weeks I'm going to be "enjoying" big amount of paper works that comes with my next assignment.
Also I think that your post here proves quite much how paranoic and not to be trusted Matars are. I wanted to help you with your problem and you turned accusing me and even more - mocking me.
and at the end - Major Cemenotar - unless you are close friend or family and you are neither - you are not allowed to miss my rank when refering to me. |
Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
70
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Posted - 2014.11.06 13:35:32 -
[52] - Quote
Andrea Cemenotar wrote: and at the end - Major Cemenotar - unless you are close friend or family and you are neither - you are not allowed to miss my rank when refering to me.
I wasn't going to bring up the concept of rank. Generally one does treat foreign military members with the same level of respect as the equivalent local military rank.
I will say anything I like to you, you disgusting embarrassment to your uniform. Your pathetic combat record even includes your own overlords in the Amarr militia killing you once. Perhaps you did not respect their rank in a similar way that you ignored mine.
**** off desk jockey.
Valklear General Ragnar STS |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
6
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:41:05 -
[53] - Quote
Ragnar STS wrote:Andrea Cemenotar wrote: and at the end - Major Cemenotar - unless you are close friend or family and you are neither - you are not allowed to miss my rank when refering to me.
I wasn't going to bring up the concept of rank. Generally one does treat foreign military members with the same level of respect as the equivalent local military rank. I will say anything I like to you, you disgusting embarrassment to your uniform. Your pathetic combat record even includes your own overlords in the Amarr militia killing you once. Perhaps you did not respect their rank in a similar way that you ignored mine. **** off desk jockey. Valklear General Ragnar STS
First of all I have no responsibility to explain any part of my military career before you Matar. at the second You should first study all the case then state your opinions on any matter
Yes I agree at that moment when I was fighting within Caldari territory by official meanings I was working of the 24th Crusade. On the order of My Caldari Navy superiors
and Yes one of my frigate was shot down by destroyer which also was serving under the same flag
and no there was no reason for that as you called him "overlord" to do it - and I know exacly what was his only reason to shoot my ship down.
Because he was traitor who was in the ranks of crusade mostly for being able to engage and kill other vessels without any restrictions of Concord - You could ask what restrictions of Concord can one meet in Low Security space?
because even there atacking other capsuleers without provocation brings down your security status which under certain level make you at least not welcome within high security space.
but as by concord meaning we were members of same corporation even such restriction didn't occured and thats why he shot me.
and "General" If anyone dishinors his uniform right now its you. I wanted to help you agreed to make my scientist friends taking serious care of your case and your samples. and in the answer You showed great disrespect mockered me and tried to judge record of my combats against other capsuleers without having any kind of knowledge what was my orders and how those loses of frigates occured.
In Caldari Navy such person would not hold General rank for long. I'm very sorry to discover that point of other persons here in teh summits about Matar people are being confirmed by high ranked Matar Officers.
PS. I didn't Ignored your rank in any point - You didn't mentioned it not even once in my presence. I hope that this will give you reason for thinking about your stance here General.
and....
Frak off with those fedos. I'm not going to help person who responds on offering of help by mockery and insults |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:47:47 -
[54] - Quote
Why are we discussing ranks now? Everyone ignores mine all the time, you dont see me getting all up in arms about it.
-Grand Admiral of The Imaginary Fleet, Tyrel Toov |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
178
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:55:39 -
[55] - Quote
Tyrel Toov wrote:Why are we discussing ranks now? Everyone ignores mine all the time, you dont see me getting all up in arms about it. -Grand Admiral of The Imaginary Fleet, Tyrel Toov
The ranks are just pretty little titles to make you feel important. They are giving out ranks to PRIVATEERS. Seriously. I received titles for shooting down enough Amarrian vessels and making a nuisance of myself just for the loyalty points and the consequent profit. I barely join any major operations planned for strategic victories and I still got a title.
It's a farce, I tell you.
And no, don't even think you can get anyone in the actual military to get you a free coffee just because you are 'Lance Commander'. The rank doesn't mean anything. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
812
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:59:29 -
[56] - Quote
Everyone is aware that the militias are privateer organizations, and not actual militaries, right? Militia ranks are about as important as, well, Mr. Toov's jest.
*Edit* What Mr. Egivand said. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1398
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:16:58 -
[57] - Quote
While minmatar ranks are something they wear just as another tatoo, or how is it called in their primitive language? Vluvoul? Or something like that, just a decoration on their skin.
For Caldari rank is a display of a merit, amount of work you have done for the common good. It is a way to arrange and sort people, so everything can be in order and everyone stands in their place. Rank for Caldari becomes part of name and shows distinctive position in a social ladder. Ranks are given by the State and must be treated with respect, even lowest of them, if you respect the State. |
Andrea Cemenotar
Cemenotar's Squadron
7
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:33:19 -
[58] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Everyone is aware that the militias are privateer organizations, and not actual militaries, right? Militia ranks are about as important as, well, Mr. Toov's jest.
*Edit* What Mr. Egivand said.
As I understand that our little argue on matter of ranks was irrelevant to the topic of disease.
Although My rank was not earned within ranks of militia but earned during my service in Caldari Navy before I even became capsuleer. |
Deitra Vess
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:27:28 -
[59] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:While minmatar ranks are something they wear just as another tatoo, or how is it called in their primitive language? Vluvoul? Or something like that, just a decoration on their skin.
For Caldari rank is a display of a merit, amount of work you have done for the common good. It is a way to arrange and sort people, so everything can be in order and everyone stands in their place. Rank for Caldari becomes part of name and shows distinctive position in a social ladder. Ranks are given by the State and must be treated with respect, even lowest of them, if you respect the State.
The voluval mark is a relatively permanent way of telling ALOT more than just your rank...... Your little rank hierarchy, aside from looking good on a data sheet serves no other purpose than filing officers in a spreadsheet. It tells nothing about you outside of your service. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1398
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:37:06 -
[60] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote:While minmatar ranks are something they wear just as another tatoo, or how is it called in their primitive language? Vluvoul? Or something like that, just a decoration on their skin.
For Caldari rank is a display of a merit, amount of work you have done for the common good. It is a way to arrange and sort people, so everything can be in order and everyone stands in their place. Rank for Caldari becomes part of name and shows distinctive position in a social ladder. Ranks are given by the State and must be treated with respect, even lowest of them, if you respect the State. The voluval mark is a relatively permanent way of telling ALOT more than just your rank...... Your little rank hierarchy, aside from looking good on a data sheet serves no other purpose than filing officers in a spreadsheet. It tells nothing about you outside of your service. The service is the life, Ms. Vess. And, unlike voluval mark, it doesn't mean something permanent. It depends on your actions. If you will do merited deeds, you will get ranked up. You will fail to meet objective or do something disgracing, you will lose a rank.
If you will become an Admiral, it doesn't mean you will remain Admiral, if you won't behave like a merited Admiral must. The rank isn't just like a tattoo, that you can receive and be happy about it. You must strive not just to achieve it, but to maintain it as well. |
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Deitra Vess
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2014.11.06 18:48:43 -
[61] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote:Diana Kim wrote:While minmatar ranks are something they wear just as another tatoo, or how is it called in their primitive language? Vluvoul? Or something like that, just a decoration on their skin.
For Caldari rank is a display of a merit, amount of work you have done for the common good. It is a way to arrange and sort people, so everything can be in order and everyone stands in their place. Rank for Caldari becomes part of name and shows distinctive position in a social ladder. Ranks are given by the State and must be treated with respect, even lowest of them, if you respect the State. The voluval mark is a relatively permanent way of telling ALOT more than just your rank...... Your little rank hierarchy, aside from looking good on a data sheet serves no other purpose than filing officers in a spreadsheet. It tells nothing about you outside of your service. The service is the life, Ms. Vess. And, unlike voluval mark, it doesn't mean something permanent. It depends on your actions. If you will do merited deeds, you will get ranked up. You will fail to meet objective or do something disgracing, you will lose a rank. If you will become an Admiral, it doesn't mean you will remain Admiral, if you won't behave like a merited Admiral must. The rank isn't just like a tattoo, that you can receive and be happy about it. You must strive not just to achieve it, but to maintain it as well.
With all due respect, do you even know what a voluval mark is? How you get one? If you don't I really wouldn't blame you... |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1398
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Posted - 2014.11.06 19:52:04 -
[62] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote: With all due respect, do you even know what a voluval mark is? How you get one? If you don't I really wouldn't blame you...
Please excuse me, Ms. Vess, as I am not acquainted much with minmatar culture. What I know only, that it is a tattoo, and there is some... urgh... ritual with getting it.
Since you started to object to me with this mark, I would like to ask you a question about it: can you change your voluval mark, and how easy it is to lose it and get new one? |
Deitra Vess
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:27:11 -
[63] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote: With all due respect, do you even know what a voluval mark is? How you get one? If you don't I really wouldn't blame you...
Please excuse me, Ms. Vess, as I am not acquainted much with minmatar culture. What I know only, that it is a tattoo, and there is some... urgh... ritual with getting it. Since you started to object to me with this mark, I would like to ask you a question about it: can you change your voluval mark, and how easy it is to lose it and get new one?
I've never known anyone to ever get their voluval mark changed, only thimg I can think of is after someone leaves a Valklear unit, But they get a new identity as a whole. |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:47:46 -
[64] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote: With all due respect, do you even know what a voluval mark is? How you get one? If you don't I really wouldn't blame you...
Please excuse me, Ms. Vess, as I am not acquainted much with minmatar culture. What I know only, that it is a tattoo, and there is some... urgh... ritual with getting it. Since you started to object to me with this mark, I would like to ask you a question about it: can you change your voluval mark, and how easy it is to lose it and get new one? It cant really be compaired to merit. merit is what you have acheived and what you're known to be capable of, while the mark is more symbolic of what you're expected to achive and denotes that you have come far enough on that path to have earned it. I hope that that's a satisfactory summary. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.11.07 03:02:29 -
[65] - Quote
Tyrel Toov wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Deitra Vess wrote: With all due respect, do you even know what a voluval mark is? How you get one? If you don't I really wouldn't blame you...
Please excuse me, Ms. Vess, as I am not acquainted much with minmatar culture. What I know only, that it is a tattoo, and there is some... urgh... ritual with getting it. Since you started to object to me with this mark, I would like to ask you a question about it: can you change your voluval mark, and how easy it is to lose it and get new one? It cant really be compaired to merit. merit is what you have acheived and what you're known to be capable of, while the mark is more symbolic of what you're expected to achive and denotes that you have come far enough on that path to have earned it. I hope that that's a satisfactory summary.
Adding to that, the Voluval doesn't denote merit. It's the tattoos that come after. Somewhat. You see, every tattoo tells your story. It tells of what you had done, and what you had accomplished, and what tragedies you faced and what you did about it, for that particular season of your life. You cannot get tattooed without approval. Addition of these tattoos is a sacred rite, due to what they mean and how it shapes one's impression of you.
So in a way, these tattoos are of sort of meritorious. |
Ragnar STS
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
70
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Posted - 2014.11.07 03:32:23 -
[66] - Quote
All of you twits are absolutely off topic and wasting the IGS time. Some of you may get paid per word, but the rest of us do not care. You are now arguing about nothing of consequence simply for the sake of arguing.
I, among many others probably, will not be attending the next several sessions of IGS simply because we've now seen how childish and petty the conversations are in this hall. This is one reason the pirate organizations operate with impunity in all areas of space without much meaningful resistance. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
181
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Posted - 2014.11.07 03:40:37 -
[67] - Quote
Ragnar STS wrote:All of you twits are absolutely off topic and wasting the IGS time. Some of you may get paid per word, but the rest of us do not care. You are now arguing about nothing of consequence simply for the sake of arguing.
I, among many others probably, will not be attending the next several sessions of IGS simply because we've now seen how childish and petty the conversations are in this hall. This is one reason the pirate organizations operate with impunity in all areas of space without much meaningful resistance.
From what I had read out of you, you aren't any better either. Get off the Ragnarok. |
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