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Caethes Adain
Minmatar The Descendents
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:27:00 -
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So...pirates and griefers are slightly miffed at the creative types as they hate it when they get away with there stuff intact due to having no offensive capabilities.
Except for drones, maybe.
Or just plain avoiding fights due to the fact they are'nt set up for it.
Why not create a ship which can mine AND haul AND kick arse? (i'm not on about a mining apoc either
Surely in the future, the industrious would want to protect their assets, would want to deter suicidal clones from annihilating they by kicking arse.
Has the time not come to move away from generic gameplay and mechanics?, are all creative characters doomed for eternity to have crappy, slow, easy to s'plode equipment?.
I say the time has come for a paradigm shift, to break the mold and maybe....stroke a mole.
Or am I wrong?
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Death Kill
Caldari direkte
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Caethes Adain
griefers
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Lance Fighter
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:31:00 -
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are you saying give us carebears (im new... first big investment was an omen... got blown up the next day. after that a med barge) a ship with 10k+ m3 cargo, that can fit 2/3 strip miners, and can also fit enough lasers/ autocannons/ <insert weapon here> to really defend itself agaist pirates or rats in lowsec? that would be awsome :P
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:31:00 -
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Get a friend in a combat ship to guard you while mining?
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Caol
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:38:00 -
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I love joke threads
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Caethes Adain
Minmatar The Descendents
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:49:00 -
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I do like funneh freds too, they make me laff.
Seriously though, why do miners, haulers have to be so crap.
There are loads of people who wine and ***** about peeps mining in apocs, or doms, not understanding what crap ships we have to put up with.
Also, in the future, in a dystopian future, who the hell would creat a big, dumb ship which can mine good...but not have any reasonable deffensive capabilities?
Blimey, I fear for the future that would have ratards designing ships.
Designer: "I have this great idea..listen now guys. We'll create this great mining ship...lets call it a barge. We'll make it eat roids for breakfast, man...it'll be the greatest"
Mogul: "Cool!, so what about deffence and offence?"
Designer: "Well, we'll give it armout and shields.....OMFG!, and a drone bay!"
Mogul: "lets have a look at the plans.........rotflmao!!!!!"
Designer: "Why are you laughing"
Mogul: "loooool, nothing, really..*mutters* that's gonna last long*mutters* keep up the good *s******* work.
Designer: "Okay....can you pass me my crayons"
/me hates the future already, ccp ruined my life
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:57:00 -
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funneh freds laff wine deffensive ratards deffence offence armout
You have bigger things to worry about than the defensive capabilities of barges
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Ki An
Gallente Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:59:00 -
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Kind of like saying, why don't they make combat planes that also go under water, or perhaps tanks that can fly. When designing things it's always a trade-off. There's that, and there's balance issues.
/Ki
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Kyrkov
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:05:00 -
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With nice skills exumers (however it is spelled) can tank alot of the 0.0 spawns. That being said, if you want a small ship that can do everything, it will never come, otherwise why use anything else?
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Caethes Adain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
funneh freds laff wine deffensive ratards deffence offence armout
Strange as it may seem, this is not a whine, it's more of a 'why' and 'what if'
Originally by: Deja Thoris You have bigger things to worry about than the defensive capabilities of barges Agreed, but that doesn't mean I can't try and start having a discussion, especially when it's not about instas, WCS's, griefers, the server screwing up and the usual crap that plagues the forums.
Originally by: Ki An Kind of like saying, why don't they make combat planes that also go under water, or perhaps tanks that can fly.
A bit extreme there, I do not the moon on a stick, all I want is something which serves it's purpose well, spooky huh?
Originally by: Ki An When designing things it's always a trade-off. There's that, and there's balance issues.
Agreed, but surely something that slow should have more armour HP, or some way to extend it's life to survive in such harsh conditions. Imho, the tech 2 barges is what the tech 1's should have been.
Remember, that is just my opinion, no need to get offended, uptight, or anoyed about. Other people can have opinions too.
Even if they do seem kinda stupid To err is human, to forgive is divine |
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Liegus
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
funneh freds laff wine deffensive ratards deffence offence armout
You have bigger things to worry about than the defensive capabilities of barges
I've seen some funny posts today, but this one wins.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Get a friend in a combat ship to guard you while mining?
Yarr thats the obvious answer (QI) but it's like doubling the sufferring. The more likely case is that the friend is one of your many alts .
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madaluap
Gallente Anthrax Foundation
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Liegus
Originally by: Deja Thoris
funneh freds laff wine deffensive ratards deffence offence armout
You have bigger things to worry about than the defensive capabilities of barges
I've seen some funny posts today, but this one wins.
Fact he doesnt get it too _________________________________________________
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lofty29
Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:26:00 -
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So, lets get this right. You want to make a ship that can sit in 0.0, defend itself and mine. Lets see - You go to a belt, mine some high-end ore, while chaining NPC spawns. Yes. Lets make the ultimate ISK-Whoring machine ingame, plsthnkx ---------------------------
Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you.
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Caethes Adain
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 So, lets get this right. You want to make a ship that can sit in 0.0, defend itself and mine. Lets see - You go to a belt, mine some high-end ore, while chaining NPC spawns. Yes. Lets make the ultimate ISK-Whoring machine ingame, plsthnkx
/me sighs
Okay peeps, chillax and get some perspective here.
I do NOT want
Uber-super-0.0 mining-beast o' joy Super slinky-omfgwtfbbqownmabileminer A mining titan in mining barge clothing
What I do want is
something which can pull out of a crap situation without popping before you can sneeze.
See, this is the reason I hate going out of the house, you say hello and people say you're ghey :S (this is, indeed an example somwewhat exagerated.....god, why do I bother?)
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Norma Stitz
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Caethes Adain
Originally by: lofty29 So, lets get this right. You want to make a ship that can sit in 0.0, defend itself and mine. Lets see - You go to a belt, mine some high-end ore, while chaining NPC spawns. Yes. Lets make the ultimate ISK-Whoring machine ingame, plsthnkx
/me sighs
Okay peeps, chillax and get some perspective here.
I do NOT want
Uber-super-0.0 mining-beast o' joy Super slinky-omfgwtfbbqownmabileminer A mining titan in mining barge clothing
What I do want is
something which can pull out of a crap situation without popping before you can sneeze.
See, this is the reason I hate going out of the house, you say hello and people say you're ghey :S (this is, indeed an example somwewhat exagerated.....god, why do I bother?)
You are asking for a bit of an 'I win' button. As all above have said, you need someone to cover you. it's a multiplayer game, and game mechanics are designed to make ganging advantageous.
Good luck with the mining and the rest of the game too
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:52:00 -
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I like the idea. It just couldn't be exceptionally good at either fighting or mining. If you wanted maximum efficiency, especially in a team, you'd still go with specialized ships. But solo, or even in a team where people don't want to be stuck doing a boring role, it would be an interesting option.
I don't mine, but the thing I (selfishly) like is it might encourage a few more people to stay and try fighting, rather than just taking the safespot / logoff route.
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Ujio Noki
Puppets on Steroids Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris You have bigger things to worry about than the defensive capabilities of barges
might quote that for my sig..... |
DropZone 187
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Posted - 2006.08.23 23:40:00 -
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Well there is some point to it. Look at it from this perspective.
In order to mine or haul, barges and indies would definitely have to have reinforced structures. You could argue 'containment fields' till the cows come home, but realistically they would serve the same purpose/not work in station hence requiring reinforced physical structures anyhow.
So why not just bump up barges and indies structure hps to say half that of a freighter? Not like you are going to have a massive amount of 'structure tankers 4tw' out there with only dc mods for resist bonuses.
In the real world, it still would take quite some time for a battleship to take out a garbage barge :)
Even an oil tanker (which is dual hulled) would be very difficult to 'sink'. One of the reasons we don't see terrorist attacks against them so often as their effective armor exceeds that of a battleship.
Anyhow, something to think about.
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Coran Ordus
Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.24 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Caethes Adain
Why not create a ship which can mine AND haul AND kick arse? (i'm not on about a mining apoc either
Because it'd be horribly unbalanced, everyone would fly just those, and teamwork would plummet. Not good things. Seriously.
If you want to suggest something new, maybe a heavy barge that is good at tanking, you need to balance that out. If it's better at tanking, it needs to be worse at mining. That might be an idea. Take one of the barges, buff resists instead of mining abilities, and turn one high slot into two med slots or something. A barge for mining during wartime: less efficient, but less likely to be popped.
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Auraurious
Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.24 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Caethes Adain
So...pirates and griefers are slightly miffed at the creative types as they hate it when they get away with there stuff intact due to having no offensive capabilities.
Except for drones, maybe.
Or just plain avoiding fights due to the fact they are'nt set up for it.
Why not create a ship which can mine AND haul AND kick arse? (i'm not on about a mining apoc either
Surely in the future, the industrious would want to protect their assets, would want to deter suicidal clones from annihilating they by kicking arse.
Has the time not come to move away from generic gameplay and mechanics?, are all creative characters doomed for eternity to have crappy, slow, easy to s'plode equipment?.
I say the time has come for a paradigm shift, to break the mold and maybe....stroke a mole.
Or am I wrong?
But I like ganking .
Seriously, its not a horrible idea in my opinion, but it would have to be balanced. For example, decrease the amount it can mine in comparison with its offensive capabilities as well as the risk flying it creates.
Of course there is always the dominix (minerII's, tank, and drones Oh My!), which seems to me like it would fit the requirements of the op as is. _____________________________________________
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RogueWing
Caldari Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2006.08.24 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Caethes Adain
Why not create a ship which can mine AND haul AND kick arse? (i'm not on about a mining apoc either
Just put a couple of Miner II's and Expanded Cargoholds on your Raven and you'll be all set.
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Eternal Fury
Caldari Brotherhood of Light
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Posted - 2006.08.24 01:55:00 -
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I just want a Q-Ship. I've seen someone post about a combat Badger 2.. And I was impressed.
Brotherhood of Light. Small Corp, Big Fun. Wanna join? |
Permian
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Posted - 2006.08.24 02:23:00 -
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"Get a friend" is the obvious answer to everything.
But really it's just a cop out when you can't come up with anything better.
If you're going to reply with "get a friend" then you might as well just say "bump" cuz you're putting the thread back at the top of the forum without contributing anything to the conversation.
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bldyannoyed
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.24 02:44:00 -
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The ship exists.
Its called a Hulk. With top class shield and drone skills that thing can tank like a demon and still lay down significant cruiser sized damage.
But come on, mine, haul AND kick arse? Screw the surely in the future crap, there is such a thing as game balance. If u want a ship like that they may as well let a titan fit strip miners.
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Tarminic
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Posted - 2006.08.24 02:54:00 -
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I think a much better idea than simply an uber-barge would be a capital-sized mining barge, or a new module or two for mining barges that makes defending themselves easier in low security space, but with an interesting twist. For example, a module that could not be activated when any strip miners are activate, or strip miners that could also be used as offensive weapons...i feel like that could be interesting. How about a gun that shoots ore? That would be highly entertaining, at least.
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digitalwanderer
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2006.08.24 03:00:00 -
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Actually,i think the OP means something along the lines of a mining barge,let's say a T2 hulk as a basis,but that can also mount 2~3 small turrets/missile launchers for some offensive capability against player piloted frigs and destroyers at best,the ship itself is still slow as hell and has long lock times,compared to a ship that fields the same size weapons,and still useless against cruisers and above...
I don't really thing something like that would be an automatic i-win button by any means....
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Guurzak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.24 03:40:00 -
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If you want a ship that can mine, haul, and fight, and will be happy with something that won't do any of those things very well, then you can simply mine in a battleship like everyone else. Barges are a specialist mining platform; by your own words you're not looking for that.
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Sha'blach
Amarr Cereal Killerz Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.24 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An Kind of like saying, why don't they make combat planes that also go under water, or perhaps tanks that can fly. When designing things it's always a trade-off. There's that, and there's balance issues.
/Ki
Planes that go under water? Cause they'd be too heavy. Tanks that fly? Warthog, Flying Fortress. ------------ Peregrinus Amarria Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected]) |
Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.24 04:40:00 -
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The whole anti-empire carebear mindset is the mindset of the most pathetic variety of idiot. And I stress the word "pathetic".
You all know the hollywood steriotype of the hardcore Christains who think it is sinful to even let folks dance?
That is EXACTLY what the folks who hate empire carebears are really like. EXACTLY.
There is a simple solution to Empire Carebears: IGNORE THEM. If they step into 0.4 or below, begin their education of surviving and dying in low sec, but otherwise IGNORE THEM.
Problem solved.
*snip* This type of comment has no place in a signature, please remain courteous - Pirlouit
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