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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:44:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: We get it, you don't like CODE, but as usual your dislike of something clouds your judgment, which is a shame because otherwise you'd be one of the smarter posters.
You disagree with our stated views, therefore your judgement is clouded, therefore you are wrong. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.03 14:53:12 -
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La Nariz wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: We get it, you don't like CODE, but as usual your dislike of something clouds your judgment, which is a shame because otherwise you'd be one of the smarter posters.
You disagree with our stated views, therefore your judgement is clouded, therefore you are wrong. Sounds like you and the highsec crowds response to the basic statistics I did showing that highsec reward was higher than nullsec reward. Don't know about the "hisec crowd," but I despise "you're wrong, stop posting" type responses with a passion. I may disagree with a viewpoint, but I usually try to bring up supporting evidence for my position.
In the case of the null/hisec reward debate, I believe my position was: "if nullsec is so sh*t, and hisec so great, why the f*ck are 30,000 people paying the null blocs billions upon billions a month for the privilege of living in null."
A far cry from Jen's "You disagree with us, you must dislike X, therefore you're judgement is clouded and you are wrong." |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.03 15:14:39 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: In the case of the null/hisec reward debate, I believe my position was: "if nullsec is so sh*t, and hisec so great, why the f*ck are 30,000 people paying the null blocs billions upon billions a month for the privilege of living in null."
.... the fact that so much space is rented is the answer to the question.... That only answers the question of why do renter alliances own so much space, not the question of why there are 30,000+ renters in the first place. And no, "they are stupid" is not a good way to support your position, anymore than saying "you are wrong." |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:04:07 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: In fact it's entirely unbalanced how easy it is for a non combat ship to never die.
Easy solution: Give freighter guns and high slots with appropriate pg/cpu. Problem solved. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:16:52 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: In fact it's entirely unbalanced how easy it is for a non combat ship to never die.
Easy solution: Give freighter guns and high slots with appropriate pg/cpu. Problem solved. No, I was thinking more along the lines of neutral webs making them invincible should stop being a thing. I even use this tactic to a significant extent and I think it's completely broken. Their enormous tank that requires twenty people to crack in time would be justified if they couldn't warp in less than a second. I agree. Webbing to get into warp faster is right up there with unintuitive mechanics like shooting corp-mates in hisec without concord intervention. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:21:35 -
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Fun fact: the concord corpmate aggression thing will prevent webbing alts from working in hisec.
Two birds, one stone. |
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:31:38 -
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Doc Fury wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Fun fact: the concord corpmate aggression thing will prevent webbing alts from working in hisec. Two birds, one stone. Fun Actual Fact: Only if CCP also removes or changes the Dueling mechanic. Two Girls, One pizza guy. Hmmm, forgot about some of these new fangled mechanics they introduced. Ah, well. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:55:07 -
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La Nariz wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:La Nariz wrote:Now that I am off the tablet you never disavowed your assertion that code is running an elaborate scheme to drive up the ore prices so their condoned botting can fetch more isk for the ore it receives. Mate, I've explained it several times over. I didn't assert anything, I suggested that was one possible reason alongside incompetence as another. Give it a rest. I'm not going to repeat it for a 50th time just because you can't get it into your head and want to continually misrepresent my words.. You stated that's what's happening either recant or deal with it. I don't have to put words in your mouth you state them yourself and your reasoning is worse than that of a pithed frog. No, he stated that, directly or indirectly, intentionally or not, CODE's efforts help multiboxers and botters. You straw manned that by equating Lucas's statement with "CODE's efforts help their multiboxers and condoned botters." To make it easy for you, I emphasized the difference between what you said and what he said. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.06 00:56:17 -
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La Nariz wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:La Nariz wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:La Nariz wrote:Now that I am off the tablet you never disavowed your assertion that code is running an elaborate scheme to drive up the ore prices so their condoned botting can fetch more isk for the ore it receives. Mate, I've explained it several times over. I didn't assert anything, I suggested that was one possible reason alongside incompetence as another. Give it a rest. I'm not going to repeat it for a 50th time just because you can't get it into your head and want to continually misrepresent my words.. You stated that's what's happening either recant or deal with it. I don't have to put words in your mouth you state them yourself and your reasoning is worse than that of a pithed frog. No, he stated that, directly or indirectly, intentionally or not, CODE's efforts help multiboxers and botters. You straw manned that by equating Lucas's statement with "CODE's efforts help their multiboxers and condoned botters." To make it easy for you, I emphasized the difference between what you said and what he said. He actually stated that so he can recant or deal with it and you can move on from your MoA days. Show me exactly where he said that. And yes, in my moa days I was ever so keen to help out SMA. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.06 05:03:23 -
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La Nariz wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Show me exactly where he said that. And yes, in my moa days I was ever so keen to help out SMA. Search my posts I've already spoke with you about this before I'm not going to keep repeating myself. I did...found nothing to support your position. If you can't directly back up your sh*tty assertions, then don't assert sh*t.
For reference, this is the sh*t assertion you need to prove:
La Nariz wrote:Now that I am off the tablet you never disavowed your assertion that code is running an elaborate scheme to drive up the ore prices so their condoned botting can fetch more isk for the ore it receives. Show me where Lucas made that exact claim, or crawl back under the bridge. |
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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:49:13 -
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La Nariz wrote: I have already specifically to you once and Lucas three times. I'm not going to fall for your short memory "show me the same evidence you've shown me two times already" trolling.
In other words: you know your position doesn't hold up under scrutiny, so it's easier to ask the other side to prove a negative.
But here, I'll make it easier for you, here's every single one of your posts in this thread, in chronological order. Which one specifically points out anything in support of this claim of yours?
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.
None of them have anything to support your claims. Right now, it looks like you're pulling a dinsdale. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:12:25 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I love how within minutes of Jenn reappearing it's immediately been implied that the desire here is for the complete removal of highsec PvP. Exaclty as was explained earlier, some people are incapable of understanding that balancing a mechanic does not me removing it. But, but slippery slope fallacy! |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.07 01:42:24 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:I love how within minutes of Jenn reappearing it's immediately been implied that the desire here is for the complete removal of highsec PvP. You certainly haven't proposed buffing it. Or even a buff to compensate for a nerf. You have no interest in balance, that's plain for all to see. It is not mandatory to compensate for every nerf with a buff. Something may simply be unbalanced and a nerf required. It is possible that mining is unbalanced and needs a nerf. It is also possible that awoxing or hisec ganking is unbalanced and needs a nerf.
To be perfectly honest, neither side has provided any objective evidence (e.g. actual numerical metrics) to support their claims, only anecdotal evidence which really isn't worth sh*t. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2014.11.07 02:00:52 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:As long as the criminal justice system in Eve is hopelessly broken, I see little reason to expect a reduction in the level of miner and hauler ganking.
In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the faction navy who investigates crime and Concord who prosecutes the offenders. These are their stories. |
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