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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure
Un.Bound
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Posted - 2014.11.03 16:37:34 -
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Here
Before numbers vs what the site will be worth after blue loot changes.
Obviously if something has random spawns there will be a slight variance as well as including salvage.
You too can start failing today!
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Aladar Dangerface
Transcendent Sedition
Protean Concept
18
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:15:59 -
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Any chance your gona do C1 and C3? I think it would make you a hero to the community :)
There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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forsot
Resurrection Ventures
Un.Bound
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:29:23 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:Any chance your gona do C1 and C3? I think it would make you a hero to the community :)
I will probably do it at some point....... But :pve: |
Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
Low-Class
207
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:46:35 -
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This confirms what we are projecting as well. Went back and adjusted a few old payout sheets to reflect the new blue loot pricing which show this will be a significant bump in site value. Great start...
Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:46:57 -
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forsot wrote:Aladar Dangerface wrote:Any chance your gona do C1 and C3? I think it would make you a hero to the community :) I will probably do it at some point....... But :pve:
Hay guys I found some really super exciting things to shoot!
Great im sitting in a sabre.
Ummm It might be pve
In before revolts. X.X
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Nash MacAllister
Anomalous Existence
Low-Class
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Posted - 2014.11.03 17:47:59 -
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Double post.
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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure
Un.Bound
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Posted - 2014.11.04 05:47:22 -
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Updated with C3 site info.
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forsot
Resurrection Ventures
Un.Bound
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Posted - 2014.11.04 08:58:24 -
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Do to being a masochist and not heaving anything better to do C1-c4 anoms are now complete. 3 out of 4 hacking sites for c1's and all 4 c2 hacking sites are done.
C1/c2 are getting over 160% average buff
C3/c4 are getting around a 40% avrage buff |
corbexx
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
856
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Posted - 2014.11.04 10:53:50 -
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thanks so much for doing this.
Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better
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Chesterfield Fancypantz
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
25
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:02:09 -
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corbexx wrote:thanks so much for doing this.
I still think c5 combat sites should get a boost as well.
Compared to incursions they pale in reward vs risk/effort.
Let cap escalations stay, but combat sites need to be 3-400m instead of 250m IMHO. |
RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc.
Irresponsible Use of Capital.
447
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:07:43 -
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Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:corbexx wrote:thanks so much for doing this. I still think c5 combat sites should get a boost as well. Compared to incursions they pale in reward vs risk/effort. Let cap escalations stay, but combat sites need to be 3-400m instead of 250m IMHO.
no. |
corbexx
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
856
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:10:37 -
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RudinV wrote:Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:corbexx wrote:thanks so much for doing this. I still think c5 combat sites should get a boost as well. Compared to incursions they pale in reward vs risk/effort. Let cap escalations stay, but combat sites need to be 3-400m instead of 250m IMHO. no.
can you explain why rudinV
Just off the top of my head i can see that increasing the base site would encourage people to maybe leave there home wh and do stuff in there static, which is good. would probably need some balancing mind.
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RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc.
Irresponsible Use of Capital.
447
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:14:32 -
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corbexx wrote:RudinV wrote:Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:corbexx wrote:thanks so much for doing this. I still think c5 combat sites should get a boost as well. Compared to incursions they pale in reward vs risk/effort. Let cap escalations stay, but combat sites need to be 3-400m instead of 250m IMHO. no. can you explain why rudinV Just off the top of my head i can see that increasing the base site would encourage people to maybe leave there home wh and do stuff in there static, which is good. would probably need some balancing mind.
cause u can achieve 1b/hour without cap escalations at c5. with well prepared group and stuff. Buff it more, and ull never see any capital at anomals, why? cause it wont be economicaly effective. risk/reward ratio will b completely fked up in c5-c6 |
corbexx
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
856
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:33:46 -
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RudinV wrote:corbexx wrote:RudinV wrote:Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:corbexx wrote:thanks so much for doing this. I still think c5 combat sites should get a boost as well. Compared to incursions they pale in reward vs risk/effort. Let cap escalations stay, but combat sites need to be 3-400m instead of 250m IMHO. no. can you explain why rudinV Just off the top of my head i can see that increasing the base site would encourage people to maybe leave there home wh and do stuff in there static, which is good. would probably need some balancing mind. cause u can achieve 1b/hour without cap escalations at c5. with well prepared group and stuff. Buff it more, and ull never see any capital at anomals, why? cause it wont be economicaly effective. risk/reward ratio will b completely fked up in c5-c6 And, only completely ******** peeps farm only home sites. i mean COMPLETELY. and u cant make this bunch of completely bad and incompetent people be happy by increasing loot drop. Actually i dont know how to make them happy, mb cause ivenever thought about it... u think u should?
I'm not sure how you make a billion isk per hour per character without caps
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RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc.
Irresponsible Use of Capital.
448
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:36:48 -
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ah m ok sorry) yes, u have to share with peeps. so yes, the total income per pilot is lower, but still, potatoe doctrine is very cheap/easy to do. |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
208
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:45:11 -
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I'm actually agreeing with that illiterate angsty teenager
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Aladar Dangerface
Transcendent Sedition
Protean Concept
18
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Posted - 2014.11.04 11:47:31 -
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I would also like to thank you guys for this.
I posted at the weekend looking for something exactly like this, this will help the whole community and will show anyone interested in getting into whs good numbers of how much they can make.
+1
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I'm already following you.
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3912
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:32:09 -
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Nice work.
i also agree that C5-6 sites should get a bump in base isk worth.
doing so would get people to actually run the sites through more often and run sites in their statics as corbexx said. all good things to increase content.
personally i dont think escalations need to drop in value much but even doing something like changing the Guardian drop to 15mil and putting the 140m difference into the base spawn would be excellent.
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RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc.
Irresponsible Use of Capital.
448
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:44:42 -
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i might be wrong, but i dont see any changes |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
685
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Posted - 2014.11.04 12:50:33 -
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Fozzie trolled us hard!
Seriously though, he posted in another thread that the new npc buy orders didn't work as planned, but it will be fixed soon. I guess after next downtime.
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Andrew Jester
Origin.
Black Legion.
761
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Posted - 2014.11.04 13:05:30 -
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King Fu Hostile wrote:I'm actually agreeing with that illiterate angsty teenager
WHAT'S YOUR SECOND LANGUAGE!?
Re: the sheet, any chance you could put all the rads and mags at the bottom of each classes list instead of sprinkling them throughout?
With current nano prices, is this a net increase for low class or a return to what it was when nano prices were better?
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Ghenghis Kralj
Big Johnson's
Wormhole Clown Car
33
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Posted - 2014.11.04 16:32:08 -
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i don't know. 250-280 per char/hr in c5s vs. 180 per char/hr in c4s feels right to me. |
Chesterfield Fancypantz
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
25
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Posted - 2014.11.05 09:43:58 -
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RudinV wrote:
ah m ok sorry) yes, u have to share with peeps. so yes, the total income per pilot is lower, but still, potatoe doctrine is very cheap/easy to do.
LOL
too ******* funny.
The fact of the matter is this.
Given the amount of risk, logistical effort, scanning effort, etc;
The fact that highsec totally safe incursion runners can earn just as much if not more as wormholers in high class wormholes is not okay IMHO.
I agree with corbexx that an increase in base site loot, (not cap escalations) encourages people to take risk in their statics rather then just sitting back and running capital sites. I also think that it would encourage people to daytrip into the c5 wormholes in mauraders etc as well.
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dhunpael
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Posted - 2014.11.05 10:00:06 -
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Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:RudinV wrote:
ah m ok sorry) yes, u have to share with peeps. so yes, the total income per pilot is lower, but still, potatoe doctrine is very cheap/easy to do.
LOL too ******* funny. The fact of the matter is this. Given the amount of risk, logistical effort, scanning effort, etc; The fact that highsec totally safe incursion runners can earn just as much if not more as wormholers in high class wormholes is not okay IMHO. I agree with corbexx that an increase in base site loot, (not cap escalations) encourages people to take risk in their statics rather then just sitting back and running capital sites. I also think that it would encourage people to daytrip into the c5 wormholes in mauraders etc as well.
People are taking less trips into the static since the change to the chain.
Chains are bigger than ever and are discouraging people to venture out (solo) since the risk is (to) big.
(Also, the ninja fix to rr sleepers makes the sites harder for the mauraders) |
Chesterfield Fancypantz
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve
WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
25
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Posted - 2014.11.05 10:39:55 -
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dhunpael wrote:Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:RudinV wrote:
ah m ok sorry) yes, u have to share with peeps. so yes, the total income per pilot is lower, but still, potatoe doctrine is very cheap/easy to do.
LOL too ******* funny. The fact of the matter is this. Given the amount of risk, logistical effort, scanning effort, etc; The fact that highsec totally safe incursion runners can earn just as much if not more as wormholers in high class wormholes is not okay IMHO. I agree with corbexx that an increase in base site loot, (not cap escalations) encourages people to take risk in their statics rather then just sitting back and running capital sites. I also think that it would encourage people to daytrip into the c5 wormholes in mauraders etc as well. People are taking less trips into the static since the change to the chain. Chains are bigger than ever and are discouraging people to venture out (solo) since the risk is (to) big. (Also, the ninja fix to rr sleepers makes the sites harder for the mauraders)
I can already make about 300m an hour flying mauraders, but thats a huge risk with a 2b ship (we fly in 3-4 so 9-12b risked), also counting scanning, bookmarking, salvaging, keeping scouts on holes, and moving the goods to safety.
IMHO it should be 400-500m an hour with the level of risk and effort you need to make to earn it(300m an hour with domis). It isnt nearly as much/hr because of limited non respawning sites, and all the things documented above. Think of it not like OMG 500m an hour, but how it should be. Wormhole static/daytripping should be a large burst of income(expensive sites) because of the non earning time/risk, vs the consistent isk/hr and safety of incursions. |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
209
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:10:49 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:King Fu Hostile wrote:I'm actually agreeing with that illiterate angsty teenager WHAT'S YOUR SECOND LANGUAGE!?
MY SECOND LANGUAGE IS ENGLISH!?
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
209
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:20:52 -
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Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:dhunpael wrote:Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:RudinV wrote:
ah m ok sorry) yes, u have to share with peeps. so yes, the total income per pilot is lower, but still, potatoe doctrine is very cheap/easy to do.
LOL too ******* funny. The fact of the matter is this. Given the amount of risk, logistical effort, scanning effort, etc; The fact that highsec totally safe incursion runners can earn just as much if not more as wormholers in high class wormholes is not okay IMHO. I agree with corbexx that an increase in base site loot, (not cap escalations) encourages people to take risk in their statics rather then just sitting back and running capital sites. I also think that it would encourage people to daytrip into the c5 wormholes in mauraders etc as well. People are taking less trips into the static since the change to the chain. Chains are bigger than ever and are discouraging people to venture out (solo) since the risk is (to) big. (Also, the ninja fix to rr sleepers makes the sites harder for the mauraders) I can already make about 300m an hour flying mauraders, but thats a huge risk with a 2b ship (we fly in 3-4 so 9-12b risked), also counting scanning, bookmarking, salvaging, keeping scouts on holes, and moving the goods to safety. IMHO it should be 400-500m an hour with the level of risk and effort you need to make to earn it(300m an hour with domis). It isnt nearly as much/hr because of limited non respawning sites, and all the things documented above. Think of it not like OMG 500m an hour, but how it should be. Wormhole static/daytripping should be a large burst of income(expensive sites) because of the non earning time/risk, vs the consistent isk/hr and safety of incursions.
Jesus how greedy you guys can be
No solo PVE income in game compares to marauding C4/C5 sites after Phoebe buff, does it require some effort, yes, is it risky, yes, but please grow some hair and balls or just go suffer incursions. |
RudinV
Hard Knocks Inc.
Irresponsible Use of Capital.
450
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Posted - 2014.11.05 11:34:14 -
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Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:
IMHO it should be 400-500m an hour with the level of risk and effort you need to make to earn it(300m an hour with domis).
u see why feeding carebear is bad? they always want more.
and btw, "level of effort" how u call it, is not countable value, i mean for u, to do smth will b one amount of effort, cause u r bad at scanning, or at logistics, or both, for another ppl it will b another amount of effort, cause they are better. u see my point? |
corbexx
eXceed Inc.
No Holes Barred
867
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Posted - 2014.11.05 13:08:47 -
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RudinV wrote:
STOP FKING COMPARING WSPACE TO INCURSIONS. U WANT ISK>>>>GO FKN HIGH SEC AND FK RED CROSSES THERE. STOP FKN WHINE ALL THE TIME! looks like there only one thing which is matter: isk/hr. damn, u r the 2nd cancer of this game.
The issue is people are doing this, you'll end up with all predators and no prey. there will be nothing for you to hunt and kill in wh space.
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Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3916
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Posted - 2014.11.05 22:10:34 -
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corbexx wrote:RudinV wrote:
STOP FKING COMPARING WSPACE TO INCURSIONS. U WANT ISK>>>>GO FKN HIGH SEC AND FK RED CROSSES THERE. STOP FKN WHINE ALL THE TIME! looks like there only one thing which is matter: isk/hr. damn, u r the 2nd cancer of this game.
The issue is people are doing this, you'll end up with all predators and no prey. there will be nothing for you to hunt and kill in wh space.
he's not gonna get it mate, no matter how many times people explain it to him.
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