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FireFrenzy
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Posted - 2014.11.08 12:17:24 -
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Okay full disclaimer: I am a Fleet commander in Warp to me with Baboli and like the guy as a human being so i'm biassed as hell...
That said this feels "Correct". I like flying battleships, they are my weight class of choice in eve online. I dont mind them being lumbering brutes (what i like the legroom) and i dont mind them being tackle-able for people who may or may not have 1m isk to their name in an atron they got from the newbro program with a web and a scram they found in a level 1 mission.
That's all cool... you know "dont fly what you cant afford to lose"/HTFU etc. ad nauseum.
I wonder if given the name of the thread people have considered just letting **** bigger then (battle)cruisers warp without acceleration and deceleration. (not sure on the technical feasibility of this) It would let the BS get onto grid quicker and would give them a bit of a movement edge in regards to "oh f@*k a red warp".
I also like the idea of upping scanres on them in general Locking a frigate in 12 seconds with maxxed applicable skill is nice and all but wouldnt say 9 seconds also work? Would allow you atleast a glimmer of a chance to get the Atron barrling down on your ship with just enough transversal to be hard to hit...
Okay my limited pvp stories (*98% carebear talking*) I have had my best pvp fights in battleships, wormhole fights in spider -tanked-drone-dps-Armageddons (couple of domis and armor scorps thrown in for the lulz) where we fought off (and won against) 3:1 bricks of t3s with logi backup, or t2 cruiser roams and all the other things that supposedly "hardcounter" the BS as we all know them.
Now part of that was us using the wormhole to our advantage and locking part of their fleet out and such. But in my experience battleships can work in that type of configuration. Now my 8 man corp is hardly the guiding star of game balance but we managed to hold our own and were almost always isk-war green at the end. This -to me- suggest that if you make battleships better at tanking, either local or via some kind of spider setup, they become capable of stand up fights with the supposed hardcounters. Assuming you fly with a few guys who have their **** down to an art form (i was decent at best and i was by far the worst one in my corp at this stuff)
Ofcourse something like that might very well break nullsec blobs and lead back to the domain of the 1400mm fleets with some kind of baller tank on them, cannot speak to that. That said i at this time own 2 battleships, my incursion mach and a vargur i used to get jumpclone standings, i wish i had a reason to own more and actually use them. But at this time i just do not...
Sorry for stream of conciousness ranting but its the best i can do:)
Addendum: Why doesn't minmatar have a battleship with tracking bonusses? Even if you include pirates like the Mach you end up without a 1400 platform with a decent projection against non vindi-webbed targets. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2014.12.16 09:16:14 -
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Now to a certain extent i agree with you "the role of the battleship" is ofcourse hull-defined. A bhaal and a maelstrom do very different things.
That said for the longest time the "role of the battleship weight class" was the stand up drawn out knock down fight. It was the primary workhorse of mid-large scale pvp in eve (and ofcourse level 4 missioning) You had cruisers maybe doing some logistics or ewar support or what have you. But the battleship was what did the damage and what baboli is getting at is that nowadays that torch has passed to the tengus, ishtars and archons of the world. Now i know some blocks still run battleship docterines but i doubt those are deployed as often as the once were.
Thats what i get from conversations with baboli on the subject. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2014.12.16 21:38:27 -
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Nikk, As much as i am loathe to plumb your depths, i suspect you have not actually read the opening post, digested the threads goals and heaven forbid you actually read and maybe commented on the linked google document.
If you had you will find out that this is perhaps the single most well researched thread on the forum and James is doing some GENUINELY good work here. And besides that his suggestions are very reasonable.
You make a good case that nowadays speed is the name of the game in the sort of "slashing at the sides of the enemy"/"slippery pete"/guerrilla warfare being the go to way to fit ships. Okay i might not know nullsec block fitting strategies, never really been in one for any extended period of time. But, I dunno, we should encourage diversification in viable ship types? I know that that might be overly optimistic. I think the world (the space between worlds???) would be a more interesting place if more then just 10% of the ships were viable at any one point. As much as i applaud the designer of the "slippery pete" for thinking up something so brutally effective and out of the box, I doubt its a doctrine i for one would enjoy flying...
But then i have always like the "drawing a line in the sand" fights, you and all the friends you can bring on one side and they and all their closest spacebros on their side of the line and may the best man win the resulting beat down. But this game play isnt very viable right now... Partly because bombers, partly because the rise of the "slippery pete" and its analogs. Prior because massive over escalating hot drops, but the travel changes have stopped that.
Also the locked threads you link in your signature seem to indicate a strong desire to deal with nullsec as the only right way to play, which i presume might have something to do with this clamping down on "maintaining the status quo" you seem to have ranked highly on your agenda.
And then as an aside I'd like to point out there are of course those scrubs like me who actually do some PVE stuff on occasion and like to do so in battleships, which while not optimal make us feel like the boss of a kilometer long 100 million tonne (i for one think that's what CCP means with the masses) WEAPON OF WAR capable of annihilating entire planetary populations simply and exclusively because i feel like it. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2014.12.17 17:22:28 -
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I also like the "5 mids with a bunch of lows for armor/gank" aspect alot... But as stated i am far from an expert...
I seem to recall CCP asking what players would think of a -1 mid +1 low version of the tempest in another announcement thread around the kronos expansion somewhere... |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2015.01.05 10:50:58 -
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Okay thats a factual statement baltec... Atleast i assume its factual.
Not sure how its relevant but it certainly seems factual...
I wonder what would happen if this forum got a "hey dev's look here" button... |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2015.03.31 06:55:17 -
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I did forward this thread to corbexx and via him to CCP... But i guess when cruisers deal 47%(ish) of all PVP damage in eve "battleships are in a good place right now" so its all cool...
God i loved that reddit thread where they took that graph CCP posted and fiddled with it until i showed what's ACTUALLY going on... |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2015.03.31 16:57:51 -
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2xd0vn/ |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2015.05.23 08:27:22 -
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Baboli you're better at theory crafting then me have you looked into the plate tiericide? Because unless i am reading that wrong plates are going to give less ehp and be easier to fit on armor t3s...
Now i love my legion dont get me wrong but that feels a bit odd from a "we just nerfed the plus HP subsystem" standpoint... |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2015.05.27 11:58:28 -
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Only bhargest i have ever seen in PVP (like docterine level) was in charge of firewalling with its bigass hitbox... full rack of smarties...
The number of bonusses it used? 0 |
FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS
A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.08.26 15:33:35 -
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I checked the flagships for the AT and they seemed to be Geddons, bhaals, PhoonFleets, some scorp navy's and a rattlesnake or two..
IE, all the ships we know are decent and mostly the same ones... |
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FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS
A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2015.08.26 18:21:40 -
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says the person who doesnt have bhaals with 5 points in amarrian battleships...
Or a spidertanked dominixes&geddons docterine:) |
FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS
A Band Apart.
570
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Posted - 2015.08.26 20:20:09 -
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I miss our old docterine... it was REALLY COOL and damn efficient, those battleships cost next to nothing...
https://zkillboard.com/kill/38229268/
And with enough of them IMPOSSIBLE TO KILL... 2.5:1 outnumbered by pimped out t3s? Yeah we'll take that fight... Oh you thought we wouldnt Jam your logi with armor scorps and then neut the t3s? THATS SO CUTE! *deploys bouncers, spreads points and goes to town* |
FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS
A Band Apart.
570
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Posted - 2015.08.27 11:07:48 -
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We're concidering rebooting it, but basically SATUN imploded...
and if you have "enough people" you can just fit more specifically... you can then make spaceboats do one thing better then a spider ever could...
I have a variant fit with rattlesnakes i want to try... 800ish damage while rocking 180ishk ehp and everyone reps for 1k? yes i believe "F you" is an adequate descriptor... |
FireFrenzy
SUPREME MATHEMATICS
A Band Apart.
570
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Posted - 2015.08.27 20:31:31 -
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Hey baboli swank new picture bro:)
We havent talked much recently but i've been worshipping bob and blowing up nullbears :) (i would like to thank anyone dumb enough to get blopsed on or warped too for making my job of killing everything that moves a little easier) |
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