Oh **** off with minigames, it's poor attempt to mask sh!tty gameplay or complete lack of it.

I presume you like the "watching modules cycle" minigame better?

No but clicking dots is worse. Why not make mining into proper gameplay with mechanics and mini professions, maybe partially connected to exploration, maybe more to indy, whatever just not another click click click bing! your laser magically extracted 10% more ore! keep clicking!

And if you want to sarcastically comment on somebody's preferences of current state mining you should really spend few minutes to search through forums because maybe, just maybe everything that could be posted on that subject already was. In many places.

It's 2014. Games have kept pushing the envelope in mechanics, and players expect to be engaged in what they do. Christ, even Mass Effect 2's little minigame was miles ahead of anything EVE mining has to offer.

As the player base recently discovered - all pve sites are made using the pos code.

Therein lies the problem. Eve is, at it's core, a 2003 game. You can gussy it up all you want, but the underlying mechanics circa 2003 won't change. A few years back, there was the idea of ring mining - essentially moon goo comets that would move at speed, possibly with debris and various damage effects. You'd have to move and chase down the individual rocks, maybe have faster ships use a tractor beam to slow them down, and then have the heavy mining ships extract the goo - all while moving at some speed and dealing with the environment.

As the player base recently discovered - all pve sites are made using the pos code. This is probably why we never got ring mining or any of the other neat pve ideas that have been tossed around over the years. Much of eve's pve content (and that includes mining sites) is made with legacy code of which few if any at ccp have a firm grasp.

Eve has a huge debt of dodgy legacy code that needs to be paid off - it remains to be seen if that will ever happen.

Oh that's interesting (and little terrifying). Have some link or hint to source?

Therein lies the problem. Eve is, at it's core, a 2003 game. You can gussy it up all you want, but the underlying mechanics circa 2003 won't change. A few years back, there was the idea of ring mining - essentially moon goo comets that would move at speed, possibly with debris and various damage effects. You'd have to move and chase down the individual rocks, maybe have faster ships use a tractor beam to slow them down, and then have the heavy mining ships extract the goo - all while moving at some speed and dealing with the environment.

As the player base recently discovered - all pve sites are made using the pos code. This is probably why we never got ring mining or any of the other neat pve ideas that have been tossed around over the years. Much of eve's pve content (and that includes mining sites) is made with legacy code of which few if any at ccp have a firm grasp.

Eve has a huge debt of dodgy legacy code that needs to be paid off - it remains to be seen if that will ever happen.

That comet idea sounds amazing, but also complex to implement. What I propose is something simpler, a stopgap measure that won't require changes in underlying code in order to make the game more enjoyable. I agree with you though. In the long run, if devs are incapable or unwilling to update 10-year-old core mechanics, the game is going to die.

The dungeons are created in game using the POS tools. Then you have to flip between a separate ESP web page and in client to sort triggers and place content. We are trying to streamline that process. It is not yet nailed down

What I more find more worrying then anything is that CCP have had years to sort out the pos code yet here we are in 2014 still talking about it.

What I more find more worrying then anything is that CCP have had years to sort out the pos code yet here we are in 2014 still talking about it.

You can not have both at the same time: getting new features and renovated code.

What I more find more worrying then anything is that CCP have had years to sort out the pos code yet here we are in 2014 still talking about it.

As for this thread, funny how creating yet ANOTHER 'isboxer is bad' thread is suddenly okay because discussion came from reddit.

You can not have both at the same time: getting new features and renovated code.

and that potty mouth of yours is a fine example of it, right?

I think that mining needs a minigame to allow players to actively engage an activity that is otherwise boring and forces you to do something else entirely.

It doesn't happen often, but I fully support the OP. +100

It's not an "isboxer is bad" thread, it's a "game play that can be isboxed is bad". Many years ago I heard a phrase that went something like this:

"Rather than trying to fight gameplay automation (bots and macros), remove the tedious elements of gameplay that players seek to automate."

It was in the context of another game, but I think it holds true here as well.

Also, for those wanting a source, from the CSM minutes page 10:

If you're going to introduce an active element, sure, that's great. Let's go for it, but one where the faster you can click stuff the more results you can get? Wrong game.

Still in favour of a Mineral Crush refining mini game. Hell, they just need to release a flash version to play on the IGB while mining.

We were having an open discussing on Isboxer at the EVE subreddit, and I thought I'd share some of the ideas that came forward for better visibility.