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Valan
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 25/08/2006 16:11:05
Apparently the new guys think the vets do not understand how difficult this game is. This is a list of the nightmares the older players have faced. See if you can relate it to your current experience kinda explains why some of the whines get a bad response. This will hopefully be a bit of nostalgia trip for the older generation.
MONEY MAKING.
1. No Escrow.
2. No range of roids, non of this Condensed Veldspar rubbish.
3. No mining barges and fancy mining gear, just a cruiser and some CU Vapours.
4. Low ore prices non of this selling isogen for 125.
5. No roids, roids had to be manually spawned, Placid had nothing but pebbles for months. WeÆre talking entire regions with next to no minerals.
6. No missions at all to make money.
7. No BS rats to earn ISK.
8. No officer spawns and fancy loot.
9. No complexes or Cosmos systems.
10. No GTCÆs to buy your way into the game.
PVP
1. No tracking to worry about, if the guy had a bigger ship you were toast regardless of how fast you were going.
2. Dodgy grids, you could be shot by someone you couldnÆt see. Fleets could hide 2m the other side of a grid line.
3. Lag with 10 ships jumping into a battle.
4. Kestrels with cruise missiles in empire with no transports and a crap Concord.
5. 'Jump in points' your ship doesn't appear next to a gate cloaked. It appears at a random planet. Your ship appears long before you see it and youÆre usually in your pod by then.
6. Empire gates camped because Concord could be killed along with the sentries and not dying wasnÆt an exploit.
7. Less entries into 0.0.
8. Pirates used to buy there sec status back so you had no idea who was a pirate.
SKILLS & TOYS
1. No destroyer or BC class, you go from cruiser to BS. Huge gap in funds.
2. No implants.
3. No advanced skills.
4. No nice new bloodlines with flashy attributes.
5. No tech 2 gear.
6. No character sales.
ASSISTANCE
1. No tutorials at all.
2. No guides on the website.
Anyone got anything else to contribute to the noob nightmare EVE used to be?
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Marcus Aurelius
Colossus Security Services
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:12:00 -
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just one thing.
no grind
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Jacques Archambault
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:13:00 -
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You forgot:
- No Autopilot 
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:13:00 -
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Bump for truth. I miss yulai 
 Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jacques Archambault
You forgot:
- No Autopilot
lol I remember I had an autopilot with a fondness for PF-346. HAL reincarnated.
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:21:00 -
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- No 'highway gates' in empire, Domain to Metropolis was 40 jumps
- No smuggler gates in 0.0
- Sentry guns could be easily jammed
- No agents
- No shuttles and frigs weren't exactly throwaway
The new BFG.
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Da Z
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Da Z on 25/08/2006 16:27:31
- Npc Priced minerals
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Tyranical Teabagger
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:39:00 -
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um. what's a smuggler gate?
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tyranical Teabagger
um. what's a smuggler gate?
The backdoors between 0.0 regions. You used to have to always enter through the empire choke points during an alliance war.
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Alexi Borizkova
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tyranical Teabagger
um. what's a smuggler gate?
A gate used in smugglering, by smugglers, or built by smugglers.
In Corporate Caldari, taxes pay YOU. |
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Magnum III
Journey On Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:47:00 -
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Wow, it is good to see you guys realy know how the game has gotten better, in other games they just whine and forget all the improvements.
Or maybe EVE is just so Awsome.
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Tyranical Teabagger
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Posted - 2006.08.25 16:48:00 -
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are they listed gates in the overview or one of those things you have to use scam probes to find?
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Agnar Griffen
Caldari
Equitus Nosferatum Praetorians
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tyranical Teabagger
are they listed gates in the overview or one of those things you have to use scam probes to find?
WTB a scam probe.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:07:00 -
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Anyone else remember using 2-4 mwd's on a thorax?
the ungawdly speeds ! ! ! ! !
aiming at a hauler and ramming it after activating 3 mwd's at once, bouncing the hauler a few au outa the way... =)
FRODO HAS FAILED;
BUSH HAS THE RING!!!
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Agnar Griffen
Originally by: Tyranical Teabagger
are they listed gates in the overview or one of those things you have to use scam probes to find?
WTB a scam probe.
lol bet one or two EIB customers wish they had one of those.
To be honest not seen one for a while, not in that area of space. As far as I remember I warped to them. But one of the alliance minions will probably put me right.
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Mandrake Knight
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:21:00 -
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wow, this really shows how much better the game has gotten over the years :)
Nice work devs!
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Nir
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Nir on 25/08/2006 17:22:51
No instanced zones and battleship spawns in secure space with zero risk and huge profits involved.
When last week a mate of mine explained to me the idea of L4 missions I first thought he was taking the píss. 
From what i've seen so far the game has changed in lots of ways, many positive changes but sadly some negative ones aswell.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:27:00 -
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Valan you forgot one important thing:
Ship bonuses. The T1 ship bonuses very different before than what they were now. In the "old Eve" there was only one bonus which applied to all ships in the race & category.
e.g: Currently Raven has a missile bonus whereas previously it had a Railgun optimal range bonus. Same for the scorpion, it had no ECM bonuses.
The only thing which differentiated ships within the same race and class was the slot layout.
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Laythun
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Laythun on 25/08/2006 17:28:12
good times, good times
[EDIT] M0o
See You In Space Cowboy |
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun
Edited by: Laythun on 25/08/2006 17:28:12
good times, good times
[EDIT] M0o
Ah yes. m0o . That can be good or bad. 
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Cleopatrra
Gallente
Swag Co.
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:32:00 -
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This is funny that I just find this tread right after I found an old eve movie about the making of eve Pre Beta. wish i had somewhere to upload it to for everyone its 81 meg and really shows how eve has changed. Anyone remember the old radar. the blue half circle thing. Oh and the old interface just a circle in the middle and no autorepeat on your weapons or mods. humm gota get that vid uploaded.
Swag Co.We Build the stuff you Steal |
000Hunter000
Gallente
Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:38:00 -
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- No in space market
- Research slots were a commodity u could actually sell.
- No pos
- No outposts
- No capships
- No fancy T2 ships/mods
- No jumpclones
(the list goes on and on)
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
Out Of Exile
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:38:00 -
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a few to add from my memories
No POS's or POS wars or outposts or conquerable stations.
About 3 jump in points to 0.0 that were camp city permanently.
Not enough space in stations to rent offices.
No implants.
Mid space jump in points, permacamped and mined.
No overview. Just a scanner list IIRC.
No alliance ingame mechanics.
7 billion jumps to get from one side of space to the other.
Biggest of all - no guides / excel sheets / fluffy hand holding to help out.
Hence my creation of the probably the highest charisma character in eve probably.
On the plus side:
NPC Haulers dropping millions of harvester mining drones.
Possible +10 security status.
Trade runs that worked and weren't permacamped.
No mining barges / freighters or other carebear simplification devices.
Exiles Recruitment |
Vanlade
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:40:00 -
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Today are the good old days of tomorrow. Enjoy them.
- Vanlade
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:43:00 -
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anybody remember saying: "omg! is that a cruiser!! run for your lives!"?
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Artthana
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:49:00 -
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I love this game.
Always evolving.
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:53:00 -
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When you couldnt cancel warp before you enter. Proved hellish when undocking and a bessy would muck up everyone undocking.
When Yulai was the centre of all the markets. Jita/Rens combined (with 1/10 the players tho, and 1/100 the server stability)
When Corporations had less security regarding theft and permissions.
When amarr guns didnt require crystals (hence the addition of standard crystals)
When armor reps used to show little drones flying around repairing the ship causing extreme lag.
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Benco97
Gallente
Cosmic Odyssey
Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:53:00 -
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I remember it all well, sometimes I think we've lost something (though mostly that's due to reading these forums)
It was a lot of fun back then even though it was so gut wrenchingly hostile
Head of the Fedo Appreciation Group and Registered Fedo breeder
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Lienzo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:55:00 -
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When Moas ruled the skies.
Republic Fleet phases out obsolete Vigils.
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.08.25 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Waxau on 25/08/2006 17:59:50
Oh and lets not forget - loot and ore thieves.
I remember Evilynn - wherever are you eh?
Used to hang around Yulai and area, stealing loot in a bestower, and you couldnt do anything about it. No secure cans, no flagging rights. You were at their mercy.
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Laythun
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.25 18:14:00 -
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No T2
Hardly if any instas
See You In Space Cowboy |
MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2006.08.25 18:15:00 -
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/me is glad Pann is back too
MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer |
jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.25 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: jamesw on 25/08/2006 18:19:55
15 Drones.
Cycle jamming.
Torps that hit frigs for full damage.
... and how could I forget.
Having to switch views to see your high, mid and low slots respectively.
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Lisbo
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Posted - 2006.08.25 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Lisbo on 25/08/2006 19:03:55
sry to burst your bubble of "good old days"...i was there back in beta...and didnt subscribe afterwards because of this UNFINISHED PRODUCT you are describing.
i dont talk about T2 or other fancy stuff...but even the basics were not implemented.
that are not "good old days"...
right before exodus was the gamestate it should have been after release. the BETA ended back then ;)
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Grimster
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.25 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Grimster on 25/08/2006 19:12:13
I still miss double click warp to object.
Made getting your pod out of a scr-ape so much easier.
OMG Scr@pe's filtered.
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EVILSATAN
Gallente
Scotland Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.25 20:06:00 -
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30+ jumps to the nearest station in deep 0.0
When there was only so many office's for sale in a station and corps were selling there office for extreme amounts, (gehi station as I remember).
having to haul cargo containers to store your ammo and loot and ore.
All I can think of atm.
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Sodhammer
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Posted - 2006.08.25 20:26:00 -
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Lets not forget missiles that did not avoid asteroids and had splash damage.
When the only limit a launcher had was its capacity (small luanchers fired fast, but did not hold much, big launchers fired slow, but could hold lots), so you could put lots of small weapons in a launcher or a few big ones (which is what got you the cruise kestrel).
Torpedoes were 10X there current mineral cost.
And although I never lost a pod without a top quality clone, the skill loss used to be a bit more risky ..... (I beleive).
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Powder Monkey
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Posted - 2006.08.25 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lisbo
Edited by: Lisbo on 25/08/2006 19:03:55
sry to burst your bubble of "good old days"...i was there back in beta...and didnt subscribe afterwards because of this UNFINISHED PRODUCT you are describing.
i dont talk about T2 or other fancy stuff...but even the basics were not implemented.
that are not "good old days"...
right before exodus was the gamestate it should have been after release. the BETA ended back then ;)
So you traded a small 12k peak time community for LAG, 600 people in 1 system, 30k on the server, queue systems, intanced (INTHE PROCESSS) pvp, macro miners, ebayers and other **** like that? 
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Valan
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Posted - 2006.08.26 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lisbo
Edited by: Lisbo on 25/08/2006 19:03:55
sry to burst your bubble of "good old days"...i was there back in beta...and didnt subscribe afterwards because of this UNFINISHED PRODUCT you are describing.
i dont talk about T2 or other fancy stuff...but even the basics were not implemented.
that are not "good old days"...
right before exodus was the gamestate it should have been after release. the BETA ended back then ;)
Hear that whoosh sound it was the point flying 15ft above your ahead.
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couger malthas
Amarr
No Quarter.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.26 01:05:00 -
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<3 the old school gankgeddon full t'2 fitted with 8 T'2 heatsinks backed by a remote senser boosting BB
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Deros
Minmatar
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.26 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jacques Archambault
You forgot:
- No Autopilot
autopilot was there
it just needed a command.
NO POS
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Mjolnir
Gallente
Asgard Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.26 01:35:00 -
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anyone else remeber the damage mod bug? Oh how i loved to have 10x damage or my repeating artys
Which PA character are you? |
Miri Tirzan
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.26 01:44:00 -
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Actually, I dont think the LAB changes were for the better. Now it is a 10 day wait in the whole region for ME where before I had lab slots that I could do anything with.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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ChanibintLiet
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Posted - 2006.08.26 02:57:00 -
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So Basicly what your saying is that We all traded one set of problems and issoues caused by the the lack of planning/development of the then unfinished product, For a whole new set of even more complacated problems and issoues caused by poor planning/development of the new and improved content, and the large player population in general.
So it would not seem that the game is getting pretty close to reaching a critical mass. EvE will either get better or tear itself appart from the inside. No matter how great the serversare, there is only so much they can do for so long for so many people. the more content the game has the more the servers have to do. the more people on line at once means the server have to work that much harder to do what needs to be done. It's just a matter of time before something breaks. More often than not, the 'fixes' do nothing more than supress the symthoms of the problem and not the true cause of the problem.
I think this is a really great game and would hate to see it destroied because of the isk farming ebay sellers or the imuture nature of some of the players crying all the time about how they game is messed up because they can't do what they want to who they want how they want when they want. Boo Hoo. Life dosn't work that way.
Like I said. I really like this game. you could lose between 1/3 and 1/2 the population and I wouldn't about it one bit. i really with the Delvs could fix the bugs and problems they have on their hands now befor they go and add more content and make those problems worse.
like everyone else, I have a nice long wish list of things I'd like to see added or changed in EvE but i'd be happy to keep what i have if it means that things will work like they should vs having a bunch of cool stuff and not being able to do anthing with it because of the unstable nature of the server or game enviroment.
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:13:00 -
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its an evolving thing. Reduce trial accounts to 7 days (enough new players anyway) get some more yarrdware in place and get kali up asap onto SISI so we have some time to do the test-feedback-bug report thing
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Karoth Tyu
FATAL REVELATIONS
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Karoth Tyu on 26/08/2006 03:23:38
Shooting police and winning.
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Epsilon 1
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Karoth Tyu
Edited by: Karoth Tyu on 26/08/2006 03:23:38
Shooting police and winning.
The Yulai incident  They didn't actually win in the end tho 
Originally by: Steven Gerrard
Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
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Karoth Tyu
FATAL REVELATIONS
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Epsilon 1
The Yulai incident They didn't actually win in the end tho
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ChanibintLiet
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Posted - 2006.08.26 03:57:00 -
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for me, the good O
'l days was about a month and a half ago before the person letting me use their Cable internet moved. i haven't been able to play since. i was lucky enough to have another friend let me long is long enought to bump a skill. i still lost about 2 weeks train time though. :o(
i've been fighting with the morons at the cable compony ever since to get cable hooked up here. I hate having to use my old computer on dial up just so I can check mail or read the Forums.
Ok. I'm done whineing now.
*(Waaaaah!)*
OK. Now I'm done. Really.
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