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Amra Ni-Yesta
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I can understand the system, and this is not a problem that guys do it. But give them back a way to become clever !
The answer is : -10 of security statue. As simple as that. Let them choose then wisely their target and get ready to have ships in low sec to work on their security statue to have it back.
The actual system is too easy regarding the aftermath, and become a real business. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.11.07 16:19:14 -
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WatGäó
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.07 16:28:01 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:WatGäó
http://i.imgur.com/1EPBQmT.jpg
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.11.07 17:54:03 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:I can understand the system, and this is not a problem that guys do it. But give them back a way to become clever !
The answer is : -10 of security statue. As simple as that. Let them choose then wisely their target and get ready to have ships in low sec to work on their security statue to have it back.
The actual system is too easy regarding the aftermath, and become a real business.
We can talk for a -7.5, but idea it to put them out of high sec for a while.
Whatever you're smoking, you need to share with the rest of us so we can try to understand whatever the hell that post is.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:00:18 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:I can understand the system, and this is not a problem that guys do it. But give them back a way to become clever !
The answer is : -10 of security statue. As simple as that. Let them choose then wisely their target and get ready to have ships in low sec to work on their security statue to have it back.
The actual system is too easy regarding the aftermath, and become a real business.
We can talk for a -7.5, but idea it to put them out of high sec for a while.
Oiras? Is that you? We thought you were ded brah.
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Revis Owen
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:05:55 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:I can understand the system, and this is not a problem that guys do it. . . .
Says he doesn't have a problem with suicide gankers, then demonstrates he has a problem with suicide gankers.
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Ralph King-Griffin
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:13:31 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:I can understand the system, and this is not a problem that guys do it. But give them back a way to become clever !
The answer is : -10 of security statue. As simple as that. Let them choose then wisely their target and get ready to have ships in low sec to work on their security statue to have it back.
The actual system is too easy regarding the aftermath, and become a real business.
We can talk for a -7.5, but idea it to put them out of high sec for a while. Oiras? Is that you? We thought you were ded brah. F
 he swaped toon for a while but i haven't seen nor heard him in months.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:45:26 -
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I got no issue with suicide gankers, I got an issue with the actual penalty to do it. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:56:44 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Grr image thief 
You're forgiven though, it's an appropriate use.
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:58:33 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Grr image thief You're forgiven though, it's an appropriate use.
Why it it appropriate ? |
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:59:23 -
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Because you can't seem to post a coherent thought.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:01:45 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Why it it appropriate ? Because the OP made absolutely no sense, and is therefore full of WatGäó
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:03:50 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Because you can't seem to post a coherent thought.
What you don't understand ? I can explain if needed, seems you need explanations :
If players descover new way to have fun and make suicide ganks, this is really good. The thing is : It has to be more challanging.
Actually there is nothing hard to do it and it requires low skills. You can stay with a penalty of : -2.5 of sec statue in high sec, farm missions and stay kinda as you want in high sec.
Now imagine this : If you want to do suicide gank, it has to be juicy, something you will remember, and then, it will push you to play in low sec for a while.
As simple as that.
The actual system makes suicide gankers making like a business with no challange at all. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:07:11 -
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Suicide ganking is only easy when the target makes it easy.
The victim only see's the actual gank squad, they never see the behind the scenes organisation that goes into a successful suicide gank.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:09:23 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Suicide ganking is only easy when the target makes it easy.
Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case. If you want bigger target you just need to be more, and there is nothing complicated in evolving high sec to choose your target.
In eve, every time you want to earn more you have to take risks, there is no risks trough suicide ganking. |
Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:10:43 -
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I'm -10 and can suicide gank whenever I like, just need a prober alt. |
Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:14:23 -
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Really ? Explain me how with a -10 security statue you can stay in high sec ?
Players with -2.0 or worse will be attacked in 1.0 systems
Players with -2.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.9 systems
Players with -3.0 or worse will be attacked in 0.8 systems
Players with -3.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.7 systems
Players with -4.0 or worse will be attacked in 0.6 systems
Players with -4.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.5 systems
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:24:06 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Really ? Explain me how with a -10 security statue you can stay in high sec ?
Undock warp to instant undock -> warp to ping from target -> warp to target and kill them -> wait for concord to kill me |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:26:26 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Suicide ganking is only easy when the target makes it easy.
Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case. Bullshit.
You've never suicide ganked have you?
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:27:44 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Really ? Explain me how with a -10 security statue you can stay in high sec ?
Players with -2.0 or worse will be attacked in 1.0 systems
Players with -2.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.9 systems
Players with -3.0 or worse will be attacked in 0.8 systems
Players with -3.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.7 systems
Players with -4.0 or worse will be attacked in 0.6 systems
Players with -4.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.5 systems
By moving, constantly while not in a station.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Eldwinn
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:28:10 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Suicide ganking is only easy when the target makes it easy.
Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case. Bullshit. You've never suicide ganked have you?
Yes and it is easy. Get better scrub |
Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:29:14 -
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Eldwinn wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Really ? Explain me how with a -10 security statue you can stay in high sec ?
Undock warp to instant undock -> warp to ping from target -> warp to target and kill them -> wait for concord to kill me
Only possible in 0.5, not higher
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Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case.
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Bullshit.
You've never suicide ganked have you?
////// Bullshit, what is hard to suicide gank ?
/---------> Edit : May I have to explain how easy it was when Markee dragon took a bunch of new players to make catalyst suicde gank and how fast he did money ? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:30:49 -
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Eldwinn wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Suicide ganking is only easy when the target makes it easy.
Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case. Bullshit. You've never suicide ganked have you? Yes and it is easy. Get better scrub
I doubt it's easy in every case.
aware bears use dscan, watch local, and generally ARE skittish.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:32:20 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Eldwinn wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Really ? Explain me how with a -10 security statue you can stay in high sec ?
Undock warp to instant undock -> warp to ping from target -> warp to target and kill them -> wait for concord to kill me Only possible in 0.5, not higher
Explain this.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:34:16 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Eldwinn wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Suicide ganking is only easy when the target makes it easy.
Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case. Bullshit. You've never suicide ganked have you? Yes and it is easy. Get better scrub I doubt it's easy in every case. aware bears use dscan, watch local, and generally ARE skittish.
I edited my post but i will say it again : We had demonstrations that it is really accessible to the first one. Are you serious when you speak about D-scan for a gate camp in high sec ? Let me laugh.
It can be "hard" to retrive the loot quickly only, but it is not hard to warp on a safe quickly... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:37:51 -
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No you would use a scout for that.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:39:30 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Eldwinn wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Really ? Explain me how with a -10 security statue you can stay in high sec ?
Undock warp to instant undock -> warp to ping from target -> warp to target and kill them -> wait for concord to kill me Only possible in 0.5, not higher Explain this.
Concord reaction is slow in low high sec, and react really really fast up to 0.8 I don't think the guy who use insta undock and warp to point have time to stay alive near 0.8 and higher with a -4.5 and more security statue.
Only in pod, maybe i missed the pod suicide gank... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:42:55 -
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[quote=Amra Ni-Yesta]I don't think [/quot
Pertinent word there.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:44:31 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:No you would use a scout for that.
The fact is not to speak about how to avoid or not suicide gank. This is not the point of my thread.
The point is : With a reall low penalty like we have now, the frequency of suide gank is too high and there is no challange for poeple who do them. The aftermath of it is not ballance compare to what you can get. |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:47:05 -
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OP what exactly are you suggesting then as a solution? Unfortunately I do not speak whatever you are trying to say. |
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:49:58 -
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Eldwinn wrote:OP what exactly are you suggesting then as a solution? Unfortunately I do not speak whatever you are trying to say.
My suggestion is simple : Increase the penalty of breaking the concord's rules. But with sens. I mean : Actually if you pod kill someone in low sec you have a bigger lost of security statue. I can understand that you can fail your shoot, or something can goes bad for the suicide ganker so : If you use modules against someone you loose : -2.5 of security statue /like it is now, and if you destroy a ship : you loose -7.5 of security statue. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:52:48 -
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How would this effect someone already -10 ?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:56:44 -
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Eldwinn wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Suicide ganking is only easy when the target makes it easy.
Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case. Bullshit. You've never suicide ganked have you? Yes and it is easy. Get better scrub Wasn't addressed at you, but thanks for your input.
It's only easy when the target makes it easy, avoiding choke points, being careful what I haul, knowing who the gankers are, not afking and fitting a tank has served me well in the past tyvm, although a couple have tried, and failed.
You don't have to outrun the wolves, you just have to outrun the the guy next to you. I make somebody else a more attractive/profitable target.
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 19:58:43 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:How would this effect someone already -10 ?
It won't, but someone with a -10 sec statue will only stay near 0.5 spots. It will be more juicy to gank in higher sec statue area because : If you have less gank in higher sec statue area, poeple are less carefull, will transport more expensiv stuffs, but you will loose more sec statue.
With a logic like this we invert the low sec/null sec logic, witch means, more you will go higher secure zone, more it will be interresting for suicide gankers, but more you will have to work on your own security statue to be able to access back higher areas |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:06:56 -
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Have you heard about "burn jita" ?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:08:34 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Have you heard about "burn jita" ?
Yes I did. |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:13:46 -
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OP I don't think you actually understand how sec status works in HS.
at -10, there is nothing stopping you from going anywhere you want. If you are in a ship, the faction police will come and kill you after a certain time, but they do not automatically scram you like Concord does, so as long as you keep moving you'll be fine.
When it comes to moving around at -10, there is no difference between 1.0 and 0.5 systems.
Gankers like to hang around 0.5 and 0.6 systems because you require fewer gankers to kill the same target, that's it, that's the only reason.
As far as ganking being easy, sure, it can be. Can being the pertinent word. Killing a retriever with no tank when the pilot is not paying attention or completely AFK, yeah that's easy. Killing an orca or a freighter takes coordination between multiple people, and a lot of preparation. Try it sometime and you'll see. It's by no means easy.
The New Order is recruiting PVP pilots.
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Tengu Grib
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:15:20 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Have you heard about "burn jita" ? Yes I did.
Then explain how -10's were in Jita killing freighters when you say they cannot go into 0.9 systems.
The New Order is recruiting PVP pilots.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:17:52 -
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Yet you say someone with a -10 sec statue will only stay near 0.5 spots.
The reason I keep coming to this is because you clearly don't understand the nuance involved in the activitiy,
this pretty much disqualifys your suggestions as you are in no position to be balancing something you don't fully understand.
go try it for a while and learn how it's done then make suggestions
(and if you mention markee as an authority on anything again I'll gank you.)
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:18:42 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:How would this effect someone already -10 ? It won't, but someone with a -10 sec statue will only stay near 0.5 spots. It will be more juicy to gank in higher sec statue area because : If you have less gank in higher sec statue area, poeple are less carefull, will transport more expensiv stuffs, but you will loose more sec statue. With a logic like this we invert the low sec/null sec logic, witch means, more you will go higher secure zone, more it will be interresting for suicide gankers, but more you will have to work on your own security statue to be able to access back higher areas
Wut. This thread is unreal. |
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:20:11 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:OP I don't think you actually understand how sec status works in HS.
at -10, there is nothing stopping you from going anywhere you want. If you are in a ship, the faction police will come and kill you after a certain time, but they do not automatically scram you like Concord does, so as long as you keep moving you'll be fine.
When it comes to moving around at -10, there is no difference between 1.0 and 0.5 systems.
Gankers like to hang around 0.5 and 0.6 systems because you require fewer gankers to kill the same target, that's it, that's the only reason.
As far as ganking being easy, sure, it can be. Can being the pertinent word. Killing a retriever with no tank when the pilot is not paying attention or completely AFK, yeah that's easy. Killing an orca or a freighter takes coordination between multiple people, and a lot of preparation. Try it sometime and you'll see. It's by no means easy.
I think your right. I haven't experienced the -10 security status game mecanic myself, but what i see and what I understand reading you is : you have to keep mooving it is more difficult to involve in high sec when you have the police at your ass : AND THIS become a challange, THIS is what suicide gankers should MEET after doing their first suicide gank. THIS makes the games more interresting.
Because what I see is : Random poeple making random suicide ganks against T1 transport ships, succeed and sometimes being really lucky with their loots. Having no issue with their security status.
So, yes, for me you join my point of view. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:24:07 -
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Hmm, objective attitude...didn't expect that.
Don't take my words to haharshly,
you should give it a shot though.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Amra Ni-Yesta
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:25:15 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Hmm, objective attitude...didn't expect that.
Don't take my words to haharshly,
you should give it a shot though.
I understand your point of view, I said fiew at the begging also, I could react like you. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.11.07 20:50:13 -
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The guy that killed you is not -10 his current sec status is -1.0. He pays for his sec status and while it is not that expensive relative to the isk he makes, it is not exactly cheap to maintain his status.
How about instead of focusing on what could be done to make his job harder we talk about what could be done to make your job easier? How about not putting 500 mil worth of stuff in a paper thin hauler that does not only have no tank it is actually anti-tanked with a full compliment of cargo expanders and cargo rigs?
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CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite
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Posted - 2014.11.07 22:15:28 -
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Things in this post were said, a multitude of them wrong. Most from OP.
There are reasons on to how it is done and how it works that OP does not understand. As mentioned, the sheer logistical feats that take place would astound you. And I'm not talking about just having a warp in alt.
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Formerly Known AsAC
The Conference Elite
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Posted - 2014.11.07 22:15:28 -
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Things in this post were said, a multitude of them wrong. Most from OP.
There are reasons on to how it is done and how it works that OP does not understand. As mentioned, the sheer logistical feats that take place would astound you. And I'm not talking about just having a warp in alt.
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Danjun Zahid
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.07 23:13:46 -
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what is a sec statue and where can i get one? |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
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Posted - 2014.11.07 23:19:13 -
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I knew that killboard would be funny even before I entered OPs name
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD
Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:05:12 -
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Makes so much more sense now. OP dies by ganker. Tears. Comes to C&P and expresses his / her tears. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
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Posted - 2014.11.08 00:10:24 -
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Thems is some funky tears, almost didn't realize that they were .
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Tengu Grib
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Posted - 2014.11.08 04:21:59 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:OP I don't think you actually understand how sec status works in HS.
at -10, there is nothing stopping you from going anywhere you want. If you are in a ship, the faction police will come and kill you after a certain time, but they do not automatically scram you like Concord does, so as long as you keep moving you'll be fine.
When it comes to moving around at -10, there is no difference between 1.0 and 0.5 systems.
Gankers like to hang around 0.5 and 0.6 systems because you require fewer gankers to kill the same target, that's it, that's the only reason.
As far as ganking being easy, sure, it can be. Can being the pertinent word. Killing a retriever with no tank when the pilot is not paying attention or completely AFK, yeah that's easy. Killing an orca or a freighter takes coordination between multiple people, and a lot of preparation. Try it sometime and you'll see. It's by no means easy. I think your right. I haven't experienced the -10 security status game mecanic myself, but what i see and what I understand reading you is : you have to keep mooving it is more difficult to involve in high sec when you have the police at your ass : AND THIS become a challange, THIS is what suicide gankers should MEET after doing their first suicide gank. THIS makes the games more interresting. Because what I see is : Random poeple making random suicide ganks against T1 transport ships, succeed and sometimes being really lucky with their loots. Having no issue with their security status. So, yes, for me you join my point of view.
I understand your point of view, but I think you're missing the view of new players. Imagine in your first day of Eve you decide to shoot someone, you can't, but you figure out safeties and shoot him! Grats, now you're minus 10.
If you were arguing for a larger sec penalty for ganking I might not argue too much. That being said, tags to get sec status back are really expensive.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
735
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Posted - 2014.11.08 04:37:34 -
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wow. this is the closest thing I've experienced in a while to the digital equivalent to carbon monoxide poisoning.
wooziness, head spins, unsteadiness when trying to stand, followed by a splitting headache.
I can haz some of those ooshrooms too? theys good. |
Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
77
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Posted - 2014.11.08 07:53:06 -
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I'm waiting till they start to propose a nerf to the catalyst itself.
they could hide it in "warfare and tactics" or "ships and modules".
You guys should really do that. Go now and start a thread beginning with "Should cormorant have 8th turret slot?", going thru "unfair for corax, and so UP algos/dragoon" and then ending with "maybe nerf the catalyst, so cormorant stops to feel sad".
I can speak miner slang \o/
"NUTS!!!" - general McAuliffe
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Conference Elite
CODE.
1117
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Posted - 2014.11.08 08:19:27 -
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OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards.
New player resources:
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information
http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP
http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á
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Amra Ni-Yesta
Code 46
0
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:15:37 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:The guy that killed you is not -10 his current sec status is -1.0. He pays for his sec status and while it is not that expensive relative to the isk he makes, it is not exactly cheap to maintain his status and fund his ships. Conservatively speaking and accounting for the ship and the sec tags, it costs him about 85 mil isk every time he wants to gank something.
How about instead of focusing on what could be done to make his job harder we talk about what could be done to make your job easier? How about not putting 500 mil worth of stuff in a paper thin hauler that does not only have no tank, it is actually anti-tanked with a full compliment of cargo expanders and cargo rigs?
You only needed cargo capacity of 9K to carry that load, this would have survived your recent encounter:
[Bestower]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
The fit I posted has 16.5K EHP, yours had 2.5K EHP. With the Nado fit the way it was, best case scenario he gets off one volley to do 10K damage.
Yep, I was ganked, and what pushed me to post is this : I had a cool chat with the guy who ganked me (i had to use google translator because the guy is russian and doesn't speak english). I checked his killboard and I realized this guy is able to spam those suicide ganks. The problem is he has actually only a security status of -1 and doesn't suffer at all to do what he does.
I was always carefull myself to never transport more than 200 million of stuff but I did 2 mistakes : First one was to think that giant secure containers may descourage him to gank, bcse of the security, after talking with the guy he told me he just have to repackage the container to get the loot. My second mistake was to moove expensiv stuff to try multiple item sell in jita to compare it to dodixie.
Sure, I did mistakes, in eve, generally when you loose a ship it is due to the mistake you do.
///OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards. ///
Not a bad idea, I really may accept your offer. I know that if we do it, with my actual security statue I wont loose anything who may trouble me. After posting my thread here I am thinking of fitting an oracle to test it and retrive loot with my second account.
/// understand your point of view, but I think you're missing the view of new players. Imagine in your first day of Eve you decide to shoot someone, you can't, but you figure out safeties and shoot him! Grats, now you're minus 10.
If you were arguing for a larger sec penalty for ganking I might not argue too much. That being said, tags to get sec status back are really expensive. ///
I also think about new players, this is why a system where : To shoot someone will only make you loose -2.5 and to kill : -7.5. It has to be challinging to do it in high sec, not something easy like it is now. Don't forget that we need poeple in low / null sec. If a new player want to make some PVP, then he has to go to low sec to test it, where the security statue lost will be really not hard compare to high sec. |
Thomas Mayaki
Perkone
Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:19:23 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards.
I would recommend creating an alt for suicide ganking. The loss of security status can be temporary but the loss of your reputation is permanent. |
Amra Ni-Yesta
Code 46
0
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:24:37 -
[57] - Quote
Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards. I would recommend creating an alt for suicide ganking. The loss of security status can be temporary but the loss of your reputation is permanent.
I edited my post ! You mean loose of reputation regarding futur corps right ? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6568
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:43:15 -
[58] - Quote
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards. I would recommend creating an alt for suicide ganking. The loss of security status can be temporary but the loss of your reputation is permanent. I edited my post ! You mean loose of reputation regarding futur corps right ?
exactly this yes.
good to see you are open minded about the whole subject 
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Amra Ni-Yesta
Code 46
0
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Posted - 2014.11.08 11:48:31 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Thomas Mayaki wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:OP, Feel free to join me for some ganking some time. You might actually understand one of the many mechanics described in this thread afterwards. I would recommend creating an alt for suicide ganking. The loss of security status can be temporary but the loss of your reputation is permanent. I edited my post ! You mean loose of reputation regarding futur corps right ? exactly this yes. good to see you are open minded about the whole subject
Well I don't care about having a bad corp's reputation |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
737
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Posted - 2014.11.08 13:15:40 -
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+1. I grasp the alt thing, but it's another thing to openly walk down the darker alleyways and own your past deeds and misdeeds. |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
709
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Posted - 2014.11.08 15:44:23 -
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Meh, OP is trying to hard.
Have CONCORD start podding the ganker, thus creating more isk sinks aside from their ship since insurance isn't paid out already ( medical clone costs go up, CCP should forget this new incoming feature to protect SP and remove medical clones  ) . CONCORD further destroys the blue wreck (lore: protect the space lanes!) so their MTU's sitting on gates don't work (for the gate ganking freighters), and for further punishment CONCORD destroys the person who started the whole thing by AFKing or flying bling with a podding of their own (aka, who ever got ganked should be further punished with an NPC podding for instigating the attack with their own stupidity  and an NPC spanking) |
StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
158
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Posted - 2014.11.08 16:13:47 -
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I agree with the OP. We should get -5 statues after ganks. First CCP needs to enable us to display them properly in our CQ though. Which i might use if i could chase around my Fedo or oogle at my four -5 statues.
Signature Removal in Progress, Estimated time of completion? Neva
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Paranoid Loyd
2544
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Posted - 2014.11.08 18:38:45 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:I checked his killboard and I realized this guy is able to spam those suicide ganks. You must not have looked very closely, the past three months he has averaged killing less than 1 ship a day and the first two months he killed less than two ships a day. I would hardly call that "spamming those suicide ganks" especially when you consider how many T1 haulers go through the systems he frequents.
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:The problem is he has actually only a security status of -1 and doesn't suffer at all to do what he does. He has taken the time to understand the mechanics of his trade and uses them to his advantage, it is the same with any other aspect of PVP in this game. It is possible to make him suffer but it is designed to be the burden of the players to take action not the mechanics of the game. Just as it is by design that the players have to be the ones to create the target in the first place by making themselves profitable to be ganked or taking some other action that leaves them exposed and demonstrating that they do not know how to protect their things.
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:What made me post is not my personnal experience, but the addition of 2 other mates. One was a begginer who bought plexes, bought expensiv stuff and was ganked in a T1 transport ship for 1b after 5 hours of game (I was not here to warn him to don't do it), the second one is a friend who plays eve since 2004 and used an expensiv ship to make l4 and was ganked in high sec (he lost for 2.4b). Myself I am really ok with what I lost, this is part of the game, no problems, my "noob" friend had like a trauma, really, my veteran friend was a bit surprised by seeing it. In every case, gankers who did it, for the killboard, for the loot, has no real issue after doing what they did. We are all responsible for protecting our things, that is one of the principles of the game, once you leave the starter system you are under no one's protection but yourself, some of us learn the hard way, when I was a noob I tried to haul a billion from Dodixie to Jita and it was taken from me within a few jumps of me leaving Dodixie, i was pretty upset but I did a little research and learned this is part of how the game works, I am responsible for my protection not the game. I took the time to understand the mechanics and now the billion is insignificant. Not to mention if I really wanted to I could haul that load without issue now that I understand how these mechanics work. If you are truly traumatized from losing space pixels you probably shouldn't be playing the game.
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:I was always carefull myself to never transport more than 200 million of stuff but I did 2 mistakes : First one was to think that giant secure containers may descourage him to gank, bcse of the security, after talking with the guy he told me he just have to repackage the container to get the loot. My second mistake was to moove expensiv stuff to try multiple item sell in jita to compare it to dodixie.
Sure, I did mistakes, in eve, generally when you loose a ship it is due to the mistake you do. I make mistakes too, made a pretty costly one last night. But I learned from it, adjusted my tactics and moved on. The moment we become complacent bad things happen, that is one of the reasons this game is great.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Miromme Echerie
Laughing Coffin's
7
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Posted - 2014.11.09 03:51:22 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Because you can't seem to post a coherent thought. What you don't understand ? I can explain if needed, seems you need explanations : If players descover new way to have fun and make suicide ganks, this is really good. The thing is : It has to be more challanging. Actually there is nothing hard to do it and it requires low skills. You can stay with a penalty of : -2.5 of sec statue in high sec, farm missions and stay kinda as you want in high sec. Now imagine this : If you want to do suicide gank, it has to be juicy, something you will remember, and then, it will push you to play in low sec for a while. As simple as that. The actual system makes suicide gankers like a business with no challange at all. Well, other than the fact that it's not hard to avoid facpo, so changing the sec status penalty only bothers noobs, it doesn't make it more challenging, it just means they need to farm rats for a few hours (assuming they don't want to warp around). It's not challenging, just boring. |
Miromme Echerie
Laughing Coffin's
7
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Posted - 2014.11.09 03:55:23 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Eldwinn wrote:Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:Really ? Explain me how with a -10 security statue you can stay in high sec ?
Undock warp to instant undock -> warp to ping from target -> warp to target and kill them -> wait for concord to kill me Only possible in 0.5, not higher ///////////// Suicide gank is easy in every case, every case. /////////// Bullshit. You've never suicide ganked have you? ////// Bullshit, what is hard to suicide gank ? /---------> Edit : May I have to explain how easy it was when Markee dragon took a bunch of new players to make catalyst suicde gank and how fast he did money ? How is it only possible in .5? Afaik, concord doesn't attack, only facpo. So you just need to warp once every few seconds.
And the actual gank isn't hard, but it's possible for gank ops to fail. If the bumpers bump them when they were told not to (and the gankers are in warp), it's probably going to fail. If the miner is orbiting an asteroid at decent range, the gank will probably fail, because they can't do their dps properly, even with a warp in. |
Amra Ni-Yesta
Code 46
2
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:15:37 -
[66] - Quote
Miromme Echerie wrote:Well, other than the fact that it's not hard to avoid facpo, so changing the sec status penalty only bothers noobs, it doesn't make it more challenging, it just means they need to farm rats for a few hours (assuming they don't want to warp around). It's not challenging, just boring.
First of all, thx for all your answers and reactions, also sorry for the late answer from my part.
I will use this quote to add something to the discussion :
Idea is :
1) If a noob is able to one shot or kill a ship, he kinda knows what he is doing, so he deserves like others this loss of standing, a hard loss.
2) Regarding the eve univers : Everything has a cost, you haven't something without something, the drawback effect ! If you want the suicide gank to be your game play : so do it ! But you will have to assume to play with an amazing terrible standing ! Pirates in low sec choosed to have this life, some to get a -10 sec status forever, compare to what guys are loosing (the product of efforts) your suicide ganks have to give you efforts behind. -------> To farm rats is part of the syt+¿me, YOU ALSO can have some stuff you can sell to concord to increase your security status ! All of that are allready part of the game ! Let's use them more !
3) Regarding eve "roleplay" : Well if a guy do that he should be black listed by concord, not only to look that like a simple agression.
4) Wrecks shoudln't be part of this hard loss, if you destroy a wreck by shooting it. Only ships.
5) Regarding miners high sec and fail : It should be like it is now : You will loose only more standing by killing, not by shooting.
6) Regarding noobs transport ship : It takes time to specialize on transport who allow you safer transport. A "noob" has the right to transport expensiv stuffs too, and there is no real protection against suicide gank, actually none. I wasn't afk when i was catched, I was finishing my warp when i insta poped, even with some protection an alpha burst will get you.
7) Frequency : A transport ship a day is more than too much almost, assuming the guy use this toon to get fast money and because he doesnt want to spend too much time to work on his security status (witch he has to do if he does it more). It is like an alt occupation, it should be like a "career", if you follow me. Because the actual system allow you to do it too easily. |
Athena Aideron
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
11
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Posted - 2014.11.14 06:19:41 -
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What the...
I'M not having fun until YOU'RE not having fun.
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Koz Katral
Sanctuary of Shadows
Overload Everything
67
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Posted - 2014.11.14 11:50:55 -
[68] - Quote
This thread delivers |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
81
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:33:31 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
I wasn't afk when i was catched, I was finishing my warp when i insta poped, even with some protection an alpha burst will get you.
Leeloo Dallas Autopilot.
~points~
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Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
Spaceships in Space
658
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:39:51 -
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Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:
6) Regarding noobs transport ship : It takes time to specialize on transport who allow you safer transport. A "noob" has the right to transport expensiv stuffs too, and there is no real protection against suicide gank, actually none. I wasn't afk when i was catched, I was finishing my warp when i insta poped, even with some protection an alpha burst will get you.
The second rule of Eve is "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose." Your statement here can be reworded as "I should be able to fly whatever I want even if I can't afford to lose it and don't have the skills, knowledge, or common sense to keep from loosing it." This statement is the anti-thesis of what Eve is. Go play WoW and buy gold so you can trick out your character in Purples no one can ever take away from you.
Amra Ni-Yesta wrote:7) Frequency : A transport ship a day is more than too much almost, assuming the guy use this toon to get fast money and because he doesnt want to spend too much time to work on his security status (witch he has to do if he does it more). It is like an alt occupation, it should be like a "career", if you follow me. Because the actual system allow you to do it too easily.
You are continuing to display your complete lack of knowledge on the subject of ganking. You're not helping your case, you're just demonstrating that you don't understand the mechanics.
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