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Awesome MILF Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:02:27 - [1] - Quote Easy answer is griefing But what is the real benefit of sitting an alt ruining someone else's economy and overal well-being during insane amounts of time every single day? I understand it can be fun to do it once in a while, but what about those who keep their alts for months 23/7 over a same system? I mean they are wasting electricity, efforts logging in right after downtime, and of course a whole character/account this means 15 bucks a month or 850m isk, you choose... What is the point? Personal reasons in example revenge? Childhood trauma?
Altirius Saldiaro Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 178	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:06:58 - [2] - Quote 1. Local Channel 2. Nullbears are scared of 1 red cloaky.
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 219	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:07:44 - [3] - Quote Everyone knows that AFK cloakers are terrible people IRL who have nothing else to do except ruin the play of others and grief them until they quit the game. Because they're all about them tears. A bitter vet trying to start anew.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7096	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:15:03 - [4] - Quote Content creation. Forum alt shiptoasting. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
E-2C Hawkeye State War Academy Caldari State 695	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:20:38 - [5] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: Easy answer is griefing But what is the real benefit of sitting an alt ruining someone else's economy and overal well-being during insane amounts of time every single day? I understand it can be fun to do it once in a while, but what about those who keep their alts for months 23/7 over a same system? I mean they are wasting electricity, efforts logging in right after downtime, and of course a whole character/account this means 15 bucks a month or 850m isk, you choose... What is the point? Personal reasons in example revenge? Childhood trauma? First it can disrupt certain corps ratting practices. Some corps donGÇÖt allow ratting with cloaker in system. Second it can lull the system users into a false since of security where they go ahead and rat in something shiny then BOOM hot drop. I have never been opposed to the campy cloaker but it should fall under the same guidelines as the rest of the afk game play ccp has tried to remove. They should be able to camp but there should be some sort of interaction required by the end user.
HollyShocker 2inthestink State War Academy Caldari State 695	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:20:38 - [6] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: Easy answer is griefing But what is the real benefit of sitting an alt ruining someone else's economy and overal well-being during insane amounts of time every single day? I understand it can be fun to do it once in a while, but what about those who keep their alts for months 23/7 over a same system? I mean they are wasting electricity, efforts logging in right after downtime, and of course a whole character/account this means 15 bucks a month or 850m isk, you choose... What is the point? Personal reasons in example revenge? Childhood trauma? First it can disrupt certain corps ratting practices. Some corps donGÇÖt allow ratting with cloaker in system. Second it can lull the system users into a false since of security where they go ahead and rat in something shiny then BOOM hot drop. I have never been opposed to the campy cloaker but it should fall under the same guidelines as the rest of the afk game play ccp has tried to remove. They should be able to camp but there should be some sort of interaction required by the end user.
Kamahl Daikun Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel 14	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:22:25 - [7] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: Easy answer is griefing But what is the real benefit of sitting an alt ruining someone else's economy and overal well-being during insane amounts of time every single day? I understand it can be fun to do it once in a while, but what about those who keep their alts for months 23/7 over a same system? I mean they are wasting electricity, efforts logging in right after downtime, and of course a whole character/account this means 15 bucks a month or 850m isk, you choose... What is the point? Personal reasons in example revenge? Childhood trauma? When an afk person not only ruins your economy but also your game experience, it's time to stop playing the game and go outside.
Some Rando University of Caille Gallente Federation 1250	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:31:06 - [8] - Quote Since they're away from the keyboard I'd say they have no motivation at all. CCP has no sense of humour.
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 6546	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:38:44 - [9] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: Easy answer is griefing But what is the real benefit of sitting an alt ruining someone else's economy and overal well-being during insane amounts of time every single day? I understand it can be fun to do it once in a while, but what about those who keep their alts for months 23/7 over a same system? I mean they are wasting electricity, efforts logging in right after downtime, and of course a whole character/account this means 15 bucks a month or 850m isk, you choose... What is the point? Personal reasons in example revenge? Childhood trauma? Being in local is not griefing. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Xavier Holtzman Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension 200	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:45:37 - [10] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: Easy answer is griefing Define "griefing." Awesome MILF wrote: I understand it can be fun to do it once in a while, but what about those who keep their alts for months 23/7 over a same system? How can something be fun if you're literally not there to do said "thing?" Awesome MILF wrote: I mean they are wasting electricity You're wasting electricity by powering up your computer and making this terrible poast. Awesome MILF wrote: What is the point? To make pubbies like you buttmad. I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Tikitina Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 205	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:51:21 - [11] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: Easy answer is... The easy answer isn't always the best. I've been afk while cloaked many times: Sometimes hiding since I was outnumbered. Sometimes taking a nap while waiting for some target to do something stupid. Sometimes taking a quick break for some odd reason. Sometimes.... Sometimes I wasn't afk and I was waiting to pounce, and that is what bothers many. They don't know. They don't know if the effort they are taking to guard their friends is really needed. They don't know if they can't sneak out really quick to do something without support is ok. They don't know... And that's the real point. Its called psychological warfare and not too many games allow for that. This one does, as it should.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 3257	Posted - 2014.11.07 21:55:40 - [12] - Quote It probably isn't a bad way to lull you into a false sense of security. Get up in the morning... turn on your computer and log in your cloaky toon, go to work, come home, eat dinner, go to bed. After a few days everyone is used to you being there.... start hitting the belts looking for your unlucky ratter. Pop. If you just show up to the sys anyone ratting and paying attention otherwise warps to a safe. There was a guy, Podruski or something, who used to do that all the time to me when I was new to the game in Fountain. I lost more than a few hard-earned Ravens to that guy.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10517	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:02:52 - [13] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: Easy answer is griefing Wrong. Quote: But what is the real benefit of sitting an alt ruining someone else's economy and overal well-being during insane amounts of time every single day? PvP does not require me to "benefit" from it. It justifies itself, always. And "ruining your economy" is pretty much the point. Inflicting economic damage is always justified too. Quote: I understand it can be fun to do it once in a while, but what about those who keep their alts for months 23/7 over a same system? There used to be ways to get paid by people to afk cloak against specific people's renters. PL renters in particular would often pay you to go away, too. Quote: I mean they are wasting electricity, efforts logging in right after downtime, and of course a whole character/account this means 15 bucks a month or 850m isk, you choose... What is the point? Personal reasons in example revenge? Childhood trauma? Translation: "Mom! Timmy's TOUCHING ME!!!!" Yes, in a PvP game people are allowed to decide to disrupt your gameplay, just because they feel like it. If you aren't willing to leave your POS because of one red in local, you damned well deserve it too. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6770	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:03:07 - [14] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: But what is the real benefit of sitting an alt ruining someone else's economy and overal well-being during insane amounts of time every single day? The answer is in the question. PVP ain't just shooting people. It also includes denial of acquiring assets. Be it ore, salvage or bounties. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2515	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:11:50 - [15] - Quote When all the bears afk dock or afk pos up to avoid content, the only way to counter that and possibly create content in that system is to afk cloak. Afk cloaking isn't the problem, it's the solution to the broken mechanic that is free, instant intel from local.
Paranoid Loyd 2532	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:40:38 - [16] - Quote "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
McChicken Combo HalfMayo The Happy Meal 50	Posted - 2014.11.07 22:47:47 - [17] - Quote I use fictitious cloaking devices in online spaceship video games because daddy used to beat me. ~ Bookmarks in overview ~ Fleet improvements
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5638	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:08:06 - [18] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: Easy answer is griefing But what is the real benefit of sitting an alt ruining someone else's economy and overal well-being during insane amounts of time every single day? I understand it can be fun to do it once in a while, but what about those who keep their alts for months 23/7 over a same system? I mean they are wasting electricity, efforts logging in right after downtime, and of course a whole character/account this means 15 bucks a month or 850m isk, you choose... What is the point? Personal reasons in example revenge? Childhood trauma? You assume too much. Maybe the cloaker went to take a dump and died on the toilet. And there you are being all buttmad when someone might have freaking died, man! That's cold! Bring back DEEEEP Space!
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1338	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:53:08 - [19] - Quote I imagine it is exactly the same hunting behaviour as a crocodile, it floats close to shore, just it's eyes visible, the prey do not know how big it is, how strong,....... Or how hungry! It can wait for weeks, the prey learns to disregard it, they go back to drink, safe today, safe tomorrow, then Snap, dead carrier oops antelope. [u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10517	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:54:08 - [20] - Quote epicurus ataraxia wrote: I imagine it is exactly the same hunting behaviour as a crocodile, it floats close to shore, just it's eyes visible, the prey do not know how big it is, how strong,....... Or how hungry! It can wait for weeks, the prey learns to disregard it, they go back to drink, safe today, safe tomorrow, then Snap, dead carrier oops antelope. Antelopes hate cloaky afk campers too. Congrats on getting unbanned. How's the wife? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
epicurus ataraxia Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude 1338	Posted - 2014.11.07 23:58:47 - [21] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: epicurus ataraxia wrote: I imagine it is exactly the same hunting behaviour as a crocodile, it floats close to shore, just it's eyes visible, the prey do not know how big it is, how strong,....... Or how hungry! It can wait for weeks, the prey learns to disregard it, they go back to drink, safe today, safe tomorrow, then Snap, dead carrier oops antelope. Antelopes hate cloaky afk campers too. Congrats on getting unbanned. How's the wife? Well, If you assume that someone needs to be banned not to want to talk to you, you may a created a new shift of the intelligence bellcurve. But my wife shares exactly the same opinion of you as I do, hardly surprising is it? [u]_There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE _[/u]
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10517	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:00:43 - [22] - Quote For someone talking about intelligence, you would assume he would know that bell curve is two words. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Xavier Holtzman Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension 200	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:10:27 - [23] - Quote epicurus ataraxia wrote: Antelopes hate cloaky afk campers too. A moose once bit my sister ... I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
somedudeinaship Republic University Minmatar Republic 35	Posted - 2014.11.08 00:22:53 - [24] - Quote Reasons: Intel Gathering Sight Seeing in Nullsec and better understanding who is where and friends with whom The thrill of danger around any corner Doing it for the lols Sneaking around for fun and seeing how close you can get to enemy ships without them knowing it, and perhaps stealing their mission loot :D Experimenting with odd fits plus the above Other reasons
Crumplecorn Eve Cluster Explorations 1598	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:00:30 - [25] - Quote Threads like this would be reason enough for me, if I thought I needed a justification to anything in this game. 1 2 Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment
Silky Cyno School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 52	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:11:54 - [26] - Quote They want to deny access to a system, because you never know if they have a cyno. Best thing to do would be move to another system. Is it worth their money to park an account in a system for days or weeks ? who knows.
Amyclas Amatin SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation 473	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:12:45 - [27] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/Q4wPVDQ.jpg For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/ New Order Diplomat, contact me for all your New Order enquiries!
KnowUsByTheDead Sunlight...Through The Blight. 2139	Posted - 2014.11.08 01:19:45 - [28] - Quote Really? sigh Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Saisin State War Academy Caldari State 171	Posted - 2014.11.08 02:56:52 - [29] - Quote Unfortunately, afk cloaking is one of the tools that the eve super powers have to do some economic and psychological warfare against their foes, or anyone that they do not like for whatever reasons.... As stated before, a single neutral cloakie in the system can dry down the activity in that system simply by fear of hot drop. Afk cloaking requires a alt fully dedicated in a system 24/7. It is not something the casual player can afford. So it is mostly directed by power players that have a lot of resources and gather data, while hampering game activities in said systems. The problem of afk cloaking is that combined with metacode resources like overview alarms, it can be really effective as any sign of overview activity may simply bring the player back to their screens, and there is really no counters to it. Those that say that people should not be afraid of a single afk cloaked are mostly disingenuous. Afk cloaking needs a counter, and I hope that CCP will handle this issue... with the recent changes, I have good hope that they will tackle this issue for good at some point.... "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo. solo? There is a new hope...
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 8958	Posted - 2014.11.08 03:35:38 - [30] - Quote Awesome MILF wrote: Easy answer is griefing But what is the real benefit of sitting an alt ruining someone else's economy and overal well-being during insane amounts of time every single day? I understand it can be fun to do it once in a while, but what about those who keep their alts for months 23/7 over a same system? I mean they are wasting electricity, efforts logging in right after downtime, and of course a whole character/account this means 15 bucks a month or 850m isk, you choose... What is the point? Personal reasons in example revenge? Childhood trauma? This post is the reason. No, I really mean this, just like posts liek you see in GD are the reason for suicide ganking (along with making isk), reactions like yours is the reaosn for afk cloaking along with the strategic value of denyinh people the abilty to make isk. Stop bitcing about it, fit to counter it, fleet up and their efforts come to nothing. But if you dock up and do nothing, while that afk cloaker is wasting 850 mil per MONTH, he stopped an alliance from making 850 mil per DAY. oh and btw: [Typhoon, screw U AFKguy Sansha Space] Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Warp Core Stabilizer I Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Large Micro Jump Drive 'Cetus' ECM Shockwave I EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Field II Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Mjolnir Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I Drone Link Augmentor II Large Drone Speed Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Gecko x1 Berserker II x1 Valkyrie II x2 Warrior II x1

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