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Adoro Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Adoro on 25/08/2006 19:22:48 Some dude in another thread sated: What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Do I hear bookmarks? Isnt that the exact explenation of insta bookmark? -------- Zapatero: Quote: So what happens when they 'cure' the geek gene as well? Poof <scuse the pun> There goes EVE.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:24:00 - [2] Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. ...and that's why instas are NOT 'exploits'. Of course, if you want to ban EVE go for it.
Lardarz B'stard Amarr Out Of Exile	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Adoro gaining an unfair advantage over other players everyone has them there is therefore no relative advantage Exiles Recruitment
Reincarnator Amarr Brute Force Missions inc	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:32:00 - [4] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Originally by: Adoro gaining an unfair advantage over other players everyone has them there is therefore no relative advantage That doesn't, however, make them alright. Quote: You will never quote this sig! QFT
Paddlefoot Aeon Neogen Industries	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:33:00 - [5] ...and the only way to get istas is to make them yourself, or make the ISK to buy them yourself, or have a buddy copy them... who must have either bought them or made them himself. All instas mean is that someone, at some pointm has more time or more ISK than you. Diplomat and Recruitment Officer
Serapis Aote TBC Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Lardarz B'stard Originally by: Adoro gaining an unfair advantage over other players everyone has them there is therefore no relative advantage Everyone does not have them, but everyone should. Especially new players. It takes some time to realize about instas, and even then you either have to spend a lot of time making them, or a lot of money to buy them. The problem is that at this point everyone is using them and they make playing so much easier that the player base is going to loathe to want to give up the process. Also it is not an exploit unless the game developers say it is. The devs may not be happy with the way bookmarks are being used but I dont think they have classified it as an exploit. Just because you dont like something does not mean it is an exploit. I think they should get rid of all bookmarks both ss and insta, but in no way would i say the people using them now are exploiting.
Andros vonBek Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:36:00 - [7] AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! If I see another of these threads I'm going to... going to... to... Well... I don't know WHAT I'm going to do, but when I think of it... /me storms off in a huff to copy 17000 insta-bookmarks for his alts
lofty29 Gallente Tolarri Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:37:00 - [8] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. ...and that's why instas are NOT 'exploits'. Of course, if you want to ban EVE go for it. I wont be getting a ban then --------------------------- Originally by: inSpirAcy Just like a tumour, the Brutix grows on you. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:39:00 - [9] Originally by: Adoro Edited by: Adoro on 25/08/2006 19:22:48 Some dude in another thread sated: What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Do I hear bookmarks? Isnt that the exact explenation of insta bookmark? An exploit in Eve is only such when a GM or a Dev calls it so. Using one is banable. Given CCP explains in the guide how to create Instas, they are clearly NOT a exploit and I'm afraid you're blowing smoke.
Aralin	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:39:00 - [10] Cool, finally a thread about instas, I'm sure we can all talk this out and come to a consensus now that it up for discussion...

Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:44:00 - [11] ...and now in other NEWSS: 'EVE banned in australia due to use of bookmarks !!!'
Adoro Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Aralin Cool, finally a thread about instas, I'm sure we can all talk this out and come to a consensus now that it up for discussion... lol...well its not the first topic no...but couldnt be arsed to respond in the other topics... insta = exploit. It gives you an advantage other players might not have, most do...but not all... -------- Zapatero: Quote: So what happens when they 'cure' the geek gene as well? Poof <scuse the pun> There goes EVE.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:50:00 - [13] They are de jure an exploit, but they are de factoallowed, as it'd pretty much wipe out the playerbase if everyone who uses them was banned. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Nefertuss	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:52:00 - [14] Edited by: Nefertuss on 25/08/2006 19:52:48 Originally by: Adoro Originally by: Aralin Cool, finally a thread about instas, I'm sure we can all talk this out and come to a consensus now that it up for discussion... lol...well its not the first topic no...but couldnt be arsed to respond in the other topics... insta = exploit. It gives you an advantage other players might not have, most do...but not all... That's bull, if i don't train up my skills properly and someone else does, is he exploiting when he wtfpwns me or am i just lazy?
Serapis Aote TBC Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:56:00 - [15] Edited by: Serapis Aote on 25/08/2006 19:56:28 Originally by: Maya Rkell An exploit in Eve is only such when a GM or a Dev calls it so. Using one is banable. Given CCP explains in the guide how to create Instas, they are clearly NOT a exploit and I'm afraid you're blowing smoke. Gonna have to agree with Maya here, like instas or not, they are not an exploit till a dev says they are.
Kay Han Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.08.25 19:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Adoro Whinage Instas are fine how they are. Or are you just unhappy that you couldn¦t kill an industrial? ___________________________________________ A wise man said once: 'Violence is the escape of the mentaly poor guys.'
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:05:00 - [17] Originally by: lofty29 Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. ...and that's why instas are NOT 'exploits'. Of course, if you want to ban EVE go for it. I wont be getting a ban then No lofty, after you warp from your moon or whatever in Oursalert after killing some poor n00b you will still be able to use your instas to the station and SS's to avoid any fair fights. I wouldn't worry about it. I'll roll eyes at you all day long but that doesn't help does it... Or maybe it does.
Adoro Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:07:00 - [18] Originally by: Nefertuss Edited by: Nefertuss on 25/08/2006 19:52:48 Originally by: Adoro Originally by: Aralin Cool, finally a thread about instas, I'm sure we can all talk this out and come to a consensus now that it up for discussion... lol...well its not the first topic no...but couldnt be arsed to respond in the other topics... insta = exploit. It gives you an advantage other players might not have, most do...but not all... That's bull, if i don't train up my skills properly and someone else does, is he exploiting when he wtfpwns me or am i just lazy? Where did I say that? -------- Zapatero: Quote: So what happens when they 'cure' the geek gene as well? Poof <scuse the pun> There goes EVE.
Jerick Ludhowe Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:17:00 - [19] Originally by: Nefertuss That's bull, if i don't train up my skills properly and someone else does, is he exploiting when he wtfpwns me or am i just lazy? Um... I highly suggest re-reading the quoted definition of the term exploit. Skills do exactly what they were designed to do, bookmarks are being abused in a way that was not originally intended by ccp. Do I use instas? You bet your arse I do. Do I want them removed? Hell yes.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:19:00 - [20] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: Nefertuss That's bull, if i don't train up my skills properly and someone else does, is he exploiting when he wtfpwns me or am i just lazy? Um... I highly suggest re-reading the quoted definition of the term exploit. Skills do exactly what they were designed to do, bookmarks are being abused in a way that was not originally intended by ccp. Do I use instas? You bet your arse I do. Do I want them removed? Hell yes. Apparently you want to be banned as well? Why even start a thread if you already know the answer... Of course they aren't 'exploits' As you suggest the quoted in your response to do, read the last part of what you quoted again.

Adoro Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:29:00 - [21] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe Originally by: Nefertuss That's bull, if i don't train up my skills properly and someone else does, is he exploiting when he wtfpwns me or am i just lazy? Um... I highly suggest re-reading the quoted definition of the term exploit. Skills do exactly what they were designed to do, bookmarks are being abused in a way that was not originally intended by ccp. Do I use instas? You bet your arse I do. Do I want them removed? Hell yes. Apparently you want to be banned as well? Why even start a thread if you already know the answer... Of course they aren't 'exploits' As you suggest the quoted in your response to do, read the last part of what you quoted again. He says what I mean though -------- Zapatero: Quote: So what happens when they 'cure' the geek gene as well? Poof <scuse the pun> There goes EVE.
kirjava Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:50:00 - [22] Are you saying commonly know things that can be exploits in general or just instas? I am assuming the former when I say this. The T2 market as a whole is run by max 20 people who get the things by chance. If three quaters of these are soldf to barons for insta-proffit, that means 4-6 peeps have the entire stock of that ship for the game. If they leave, the value will increase. So, if they are run as a cartel and can artificialy increase the value of the ships, couldent that be considered an exploit of the lottery system? My Hulk has become staple in my line of work now, fetching 450M on teh market, but probably only realy worth 80-90M. If wer can see instas as an exploit, cannot T2 cartel monoploising be see asn aswell?
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.25 20:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Adoro insta = exploit. It gives you an advantage other players might not have, most do...but not all... By that logic, good leadership is an exploit... --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Ellandrian D'Amerathe	Posted - 2006.08.25 21:21:00 - [24] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Adoro insta = exploit. It gives you an advantage other players might not have, most do...but not all... By that logic, good leadership is an exploit... And friends, friends would be an exploit, not everyone has friends willing to scout routes ahead of their hauler for them. Not everyone has suicidal friends like me who will happily jump in to a known camped gate in a cheap frig to figure out the chances of bring their far more expensive ship through, so I guess being my friend is an exploit
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 21:22:00 - [25] ECM was not intended to be as uber as it is and people use it all the time to gain an unfair advantage over other players... Definately an exploit. /sarcasm
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.08.25 21:35:00 - [26] Instas are not exploits. Stop posting stupid crap. ---------- My sig is boring.
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2006.08.25 21:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr They are de jure an exploit, but they are de factoallowed, as it'd pretty much wipe out the playerbase if everyone who uses them was banned. just like jet can mining... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Jomero	Posted - 2006.08.25 22:02:00 - [28] Edited by: Jomero on 25/08/2006 22:03:18 Originally by: Adoro Edited by: Adoro on 25/08/2006 19:22:48 Some dude in another thread sated: What is an exploit? The common definition of an exploit is ôto use the game mechanics in such a way as they were not intended for the purpose of gaining an unfair advantage over other players.ö Due to the ever-changing dynamics involved with maintaining a virtual, persistent world, it can sometimes be difficult or confusing to determine what might be considered an exploit. Do I hear bookmarks? Isnt that the exact explenation of insta bookmark? Dude, just get over it and yourself. Look over to the left. Do you see the little sidebar with all those little buttons? Do you see the one that says Player Guide? Click on it, and then click on "Interface." Now, scroll down to where it says Addressbook and do a bit of reading. Too lazy? I'll quote it for you. Ahem: "Places This is a list of your bookmarks. If you find a station with good prices on Zydrine, for instance, then press the Add Bookmark button while in that station to add that it to your bookmarks. Bookmarks are heavily used by experienced players that have found ingenious ways of using them for all types of things. A very good use for a bookmark would be if you are often mining at the same belt. Instead of setting the bookmark at the location you want to mine, you can bookmark a position 15km beyond the asteroid in a line from the station that you are flying from, so when you warp to the bookmark from the station, you will stop right over the spot at which you want to be. The same can be done going back, setting the bookmark about 8km behind the station (stations are big, so you don't have to go all 15km away), with station directly in the flight line between you and your asteroid bookmark. Then next time you need to fly from the asteroid to the station, just select Warp to - 15km and you will end right at the station. Then simply right click on the station and select "Dock." Please note that bookmarks are stored on the EVE Server, but the bookmark folders are stored on the client PC. If you log on to EVE through another PC, you will get your bookmarks, but not your folders. " Why, oh why, if this was an exploit would CCP A: Put in their own official player guide, and B: Mention that it's a great idea? How is it that CCP doesn't know about insta bookmarks again? How is it that people are using them not for their intended purposes again? Please, I'm dying to know. -Jomero
Adoro Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.25 22:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Adoro insta = exploit. It gives you an advantage other players might not have, most do...but not all... By that logic, good leadership is an exploit... Nope, cause its ment to be "there"...you cant abuse good leadership. You can abuse bookmarks -------- Zapatero: Quote: So what happens when they 'cure' the geek gene as well? Poof <scuse the pun> There goes EVE.
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2006.08.25 22:14:00 - [30] You can beat this dead horse as much as you want. FFS the fact remains and has not changed.



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