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Infinity Ziona Apostasia	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:00:00 - [1] Quite a lot of threads these days seem to be adding 'Go play WoW' or 'If you cant handle EvE, go to WoW' or any number of combinations of sentences including the words 'go', 'play' and 'WoW'. Now after seeing this for the 100'th or so time I actually took the advice of the 'Go Play WoW' posters and I really think its a sweet game. Very fun, enjoyable and cool. EvE is also very fun, enjoyable and cool. So I'm wondering what exactly it is that makes WoW so inferior to EvE? From what I can see they are very similiar in regards to grinding. Im currently a warrior in WoW, with about a days worth of farming gold to equip. In EvE I can get the isk for a battleship, Recon, HAC in a day, currently the most advanced ships I can fly. If I get killed with a clone I dont lose anything except 30 min - 3 hours of farming isk. If I get killed in WoW by a PK I dont lose anything except 30 minutes of running around. The risks are very similiar. In a comparison I would say they are very similiar and I wish the people who obviously never played WoW or cant think up a better insult would think up someone geniunely catchy, perhaps, 'go play cluedo' or 'go play badmington'?. Both games rock, but in very different ways, since ones a space game and ones a fantasy game, the comparison here on these forums is assinine. Click Me
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:01:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/08/2006 15:04:54 World of Warcraft sucks because its a grind. Leveling is a grind of killing enemies over and over. Questing is a grind of doing boring, repetitive "kill me 10 trogdolyte" quests. Raiding is a grind of doing 50 raids until you get enough DKP to get some uber rare loot item... that will help you raid better. PvP is a grind to get as much honor as possible to get a high ranking and "warlord" armor/items. Heck, its all a grind, and with ZERO redeeming qualities at all. I've played it until level 50-something and I have a friend who is level 60 and is grinding for Warlord armor (and getting 500k honor a week by playing 6-10 hours of Battlegrounds a day, over and over and over, grinding it: even he thinks its boring as hell). I don't understand how anyone can find it fun to play WoW at all. People say "Go back to WoW" because World of Warcraft coddles you all the way through, preventing anything bad from happening to you. Its an insult to people who whine about how EVE is too harsh, and its true: if you don't like EVE's harshness, it isn't the game for you. Heck I don't even understand why people claim that WoW is the "best fantasy MMO out there": its really really boring even for a fantasy MMORPG. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Terraform Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:04:00 - [3] First ofall, you don't choose anything in WoW, you choose your race and class and that's it! You don't pick your own destiny, you don't get to push the balance by doing things in-game, All you do is grind grind grind, and you have to look at the endless amount of Nightelf characters running around (even in Horde territory). Btw the PvP is the worst pile of [censored] i've ever had the pain to experience.
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:05:00 - [4] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 26/08/2006 15:04:54 World of Warcraft sucks because its a grind. Leveling is a grind of killing enemies over and over. Questing is a grind of doing boring, repetitive "kill me 10 trogdolyte" quests. Raiding is a grind of doing 50 raids until you get enough DKP to get some uber rare loot item... that will help you raid better. PvP is a grind to get as much honor as possible to get a high ranking and "warlord" armor/items. Heck, its all a grind, and with ZERO redeeming qualities at all. I've played it until level 50-something and I have a friend who is level 60 and is grinding for Warlord armor (and getting 500k honor a week by playing 6-10 hours of Battlegrounds a day, over and over and over, grinding it: even he thinks its boring as hell). I don't understand how anyone can find it fun to play WoW at all. People say "Go back to WoW" because World of Warcraft coddles you all the way through, preventing anything bad from happening to you. Its an insult to people who whine about how EVE is too harsh, and its true: if you don't like EVE's harshness, it isn't the game for you. Heck I don't even understand why people claim that WoW is the "best fantasy MMO out there": its really really boring even for a fantasy MMORPG. Originally by: Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:06:00 - [5] You make it sound like as soon as you die in eve, you end up in another ship, setup and ready to roll if you have the ISK. Anyone (particularly outlaws) will tell you that isn't true.
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:06:00 - [6] I say this a billion times a day, so heres another go. WoW has no direct player interaction, the game is linear in every way an MMORPG Should not be. Its pure grind, level 1 to level 60, and then you grind to get items from high level instances, or you "Grind PvP". WoW is the only game I have ever played where you can actually "Grind PvP". You die, respawn, run into the enemies, kill a few, die again, repeat 250 times. Guild's are only their for chat channels and a name above your head. The game has almost no depth beyond a few quest encounters. Player's have absolutely NO control over the world, what happens in it, other then the smacktalk. No guild halls, no player controlled land, nothing. ----------------------------------------
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Both games rock, but in very different ways, since ones a space game and ones a fantasy game, the comparison here on these forums is assinine. And the very first reply to this thread, amply proves your point. People think WoW is rubbish because THEY don't like it. How they ever got the idea that their opinion is the only one that matters on the entire planet is beyond me. In fact, given that WoW has subscribers in the millions and we have barely 125,000, the only objective conclusion is that EVE sucks. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Infinity Ziona Apostasia	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:07:00 - [8] I just spent 3 weeks, every spare moment of my time, grinding my way up so I can afford a dreadnought and its fittings. It'll probably be destroyed since I plan to take it to 0.0 and kill people and I will have to do it all over again. Isnt that a grind too? Click Me
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Infinity Ziona I just spent 3 weeks, every spare moment of my time, grinding my way up so I can afford a dreadnought and its fittings. It'll probably be destroyed since I plan to take it to 0.0 and kill people and I will have to do it all over again. Isnt that a grind too? But in EVE, you have a choice. You can grind, or you can choose not to grind. In WoW, there is nothing that isn't a grind: you have no choice. Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Infinity Ziona Both games rock, but in very different ways, since ones a space game and ones a fantasy game, the comparison here on these forums is assinine. And the very first reply to this thread, amply proves your point. People think WoW is rubbish because THEY don't like it. How they ever got the idea that their opinion is the only one that matters on the entire planet is beyond me. In fact, given that WoW has subscribers in the millions and we have barely 125,000, the only objective conclusion is that EVE sucks. By the same logic, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears are two of the greatest singers ever. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:08:00 - [10] Edited by: Malicious Wraith on 26/08/2006 15:10:36 Originally by: Infinity Ziona I just spent 3 weeks, every spare moment of my time, grinding my way up so I can afford a dreadnought and its fittings. It'll probably be destroyed since I plan to take it to 0.0 and kill people and I will have to do it all over again. Isnt that a grind too? No, thats stupidity. The fact of the matter is that if you use your dreadnaught correctly you could easily remake the cash you spent on it. Ransom a POS. And trying to "PvP" in a dreadnaught is not something you should try. They are mobile siege tools. Edit: To even further my point, I Never Grind in EvE. I make all my money from purely pvp. Not even gate camping, just plain pvp. ----------------------------------------
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Dark Shikari By the same logic, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears are two of the greatest singers ever. Exactly. The only possible way to judge quality is how popular they are. If people like them, they're good. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dark Shikari By the same logic, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears are two of the greatest singers ever. Exactly. The only possible way to judge quality is how popular they are. If people like them, they're good. People liking them has nothing to do with how good they are. People like cigarette's. People use Cigarette's. Most people that use and like cigarette's know they are ****. ----------------------------------------
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dark Shikari By the same logic, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears are two of the greatest singers ever. Exactly. The only possible way to judge quality is how popular they are. If people like them, they're good. This depends how you judge quality. Does marketting affect quality?
Grim Vandal	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:12:00 - [14] WoW wins why? WoW has no instas Greetings Grim
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:13:00 - [15] WoW was good before battlegrounds. I used to have great fun killing people out in the real world with my rogue and mage. But... then they had to kill it and introduce the grind there too, so I left. :p --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:13:00 - [16] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dark Shikari By the same logic, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears are two of the greatest singers ever. Exactly. The only possible way to judge quality is how popular they are. If people like them, they're good. This depends how you judge quality. Does marketting affect quality? Exactly my point: it doesn't. Just because everyone knows about something doesn't make it good. Just because something has had tens of millions spent marketing it to everyone in the world doesn't mean its better than something that hasn't. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:13:00 - [17] Originally by: Verus Potestas Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dark Shikari By the same logic, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears are two of the greatest singers ever. Exactly. The only possible way to judge quality is how popular they are. If people like them, they're good. This depends how you judge quality. Does marketting affect quality? QFT ----------------------------------------
Acronikosz Caldari RAPID MOTION	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:15:00 - [18] Yer I have to agree ... EvE lets you make you're own destiny and push yourself to the limits ! WoW In my eyes is for un-educated people who can't play games like EvE online which requires logic and knowledge ! WoW is just like a mcdonalds toy you get which all it does it make a sound over and over again ... yer basically repetative and boring
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Jim McGregor WoW was good before battlegrounds. I used to have great fun killing people out in the real world with my rogue and mage. But... then they had to kill it and introduce the grind there too, so I left. :p This is quite true. World of Warcraft did not originally have PvP be a grind. In the "good old days" one could do all sorts of stuff like invade an enemy town, kill their NPCs, and gank people all over. Nowadays, you're not allowed to: people PvP in Battlegrounds instead, which has converted all PvP to a grind. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Jim McGregor WoW was good before battlegrounds. I used to have great fun killing people out in the real world with my rogue and mage. But... then they had to kill it and introduce the grind there too, so I left. :p >.>, I feel ashamed to admit the same. But I didnt hit 60 and realize how stupid it was until the same week BG's hit though. So I may have left sooner. ----------------------------------------
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:17:00 - [21] Mildly off-topic, what is this new World PVP WoW is going on about atm? Sounds fun, because I'm thinking "yarrr!", but I can just imagine it being terrible
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Verus Potestas Mildly off-topic, what is this new World PVP WoW is going on about atm? Sounds fun, because I'm thinking "yarrr!", but I can just imagine it being terrible From what I heard it is terrible. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Malicious Wraith Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dark Shikari By the same logic, Ashlee Simpson and Britney Spears are two of the greatest singers ever. Exactly. The only possible way to judge quality is how popular they are. If people like them, they're good. People liking them has nothing to do with how good they are. People like cigarette's. People use Cigarette's. Most people that use and like cigarette's know they are ****. In case you hadn't noticed, we're not talking about cigarettes There is NO objective measure of the quality of entertainment, except how many people like it. Anyone claiming otherwise can only think that their opinion is more important than anyone else's. As witnessed above ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr There is NO objective measure of the quality of entertainment, except how many people like it. Anyone claiming otherwise can only think that their opinion is more important than anyone else's. As witnessed above "How many people like it" is not a measure of the quality of entertainment: it is a measure of how many people have been shown that entertainment. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Grim Vandal WoW wins why? WoW has no instas T-E-L-E-P-O-R-T. Sigh. Anyway, the only good idea in WoW is a customiseable UI.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Verus Potestas Mildly off-topic, what is this new World PVP WoW is going on about atm? Sounds fun, because I'm thinking "yarrr!", but I can just imagine it being terrible From what I heard it is terrible. They call it World PVP, but its just the name on the new battleground. Its about collecting dust so your side gets advantages... its more of the same, basicly. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
MadClaw	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:22:00 - [27] i think its battleground without the instance and if you win in a certain area then you get some bonusses for everybody in that area. Thats about it
Lazuran	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:24:00 - [28] WoW has its strengths and weaknesses. It is definetely fun for a while and has much fewer technical issues that hamper gameplay (yes, really). Combat is more tactical than you'd expect. The downside is, that in order to get good equipment, you have to do a lot of tedious grinding of the same instance over and over again until you get your "bind on pick-up" set items, where in EVE you have many different means of acquiring ISK and you can just buy all the good stuff (even the rare items from inaccessible complexes end up on the market sooner or later and everyone can buy them). While WoW's world is definetely more varied, it is also more linear (you don't go to the low-level areas/quests anymore when you're L60) and it does deserve the nickname "world of grindcraft" and that's what put me off in the end. It just sucks to have to do weekly Molten Core runs for months just to get your tier-1 set and then the same thing again for BWL etc.. "The whole of NYC is not 1.0. Some back alley in the Bronx is deep 0.0, while right outside NYPD headquarters is 1.0." -- Slaaght Bana
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Verus Potestas Mildly off-topic, what is this new World PVP WoW is going on about atm? Sounds fun, because I'm thinking "yarrr!", but I can just imagine it being terrible From what I heard it is terrible. They call it World PVP, but its just the name on the new battleground. Its about collecting dust so your side gets advantages... its more of the same, basicly. So basically it's a lie. Nothing to do with good PvP in the actual world
Jargash	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:27:00 - [30] Im just ignoring any replies to this post,the reason i will state now along with my own reply: Dont compare any game to EvE on the EvE forums,there all EvE players,who do you think theyl support?EvE ofcourse! Post this thing on the WoW forums and everyone will say WoW pwns EvE!

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