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Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.26 23:59:00 - [91] I wish everyone would get their epic set the first time a boss dropped.... Having to raid MC for 6 months to get those *$%@#*$% Arcanist Leggings really does suck. But, i guess blizzard will keep wow centered on that kind of farming :/
Jacxx Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.27 00:13:00 - [92] Neither is better or worse then the other, they are different games -> points to sig. However many people here are insecure enough to believe they have to justify themselves by degrading others or forming a common enemy. Please STOP comparing EvE to WoW, they are polar opposites, and are made for completely different audiences. Seriously.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics	Posted - 2006.08.27 00:24:00 - [93] Edited by: Galk on 27/08/2006 00:28:18 Edited by: Galk on 27/08/2006 00:26:31 Never played it. but like 6 million odd (give or take a few) V's like 100 thousand, give a take a few multiple (inactive skill training) accounts... Id say wow is the more popular. Though we know better and whatnot, so we are dead right in saying eve is the all. hey edit. The last guys bottom statement is about right. I ain't feeling insecure though, im just kinda ****ed out my head, i feel my opinion is valid still. Hey jacxx you play the lowest in eve, but you know the truth of it, good man. ______ Long ago one gorgeous night, we let the stars grow free. We let Zhuge do that once, he came back carrying a traffic cone, a forsale sign and three empty bottles of dutch lager. He also lost his Zimmer Frame... - Imaran
31i73 BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.27 00:30:00 - [94] I didn't read all the posts, so sorry if this came up already: Remember, that WoW is most likely the best thing ever happened to EVE. Many WoW players find EVE and stay
Julius Raid	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:03:00 - [95] Edited by: Julius Raid on 27/08/2006 01:04:12 eve vs wow? ... ok World of Warcraft does NOT use the MMOG for the gameplay. Ok, what does that mean? In WoW your awesome when you got T(x) gear that means spending y amount of time in instances (that after all arent that bad) or, after that, PvP grounds. Which are a simple joke compared to EVE PvP, you die and restart (eve aint that, more or less). Your Guild Raids do not get affected by a "Gate Camp". Your Equipment doesnt vanish when your not awake on a more or less boring automatic transport session into bad regions. You dont loose any "XP" when your tavern stone aint sent. You cant get famous by stealing 15/30/700g (cause it aint possible after all). Everyone cries when someone sets a "lvl 10 gear" for 100g on market. .... Anyway You do play with 20000 other players on a server, but that you killed "fancy dancy dragon y" with your guild the first the time, wont affect a new player. Now for EVE, there are tons of things possible from scams (EIB anyone?) to something like http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=370209 just to mention the recent ones. Yes EVE aint perfect balanced in ships/market and all. But what shakes the universe of Tranquility more? A big alliance buying all HAC BPO(i wanna see that tough) or that some funky guy cleared a 10/10 complex using 39 bees? EVE uses the MMOG aspect very well, meaning your actions as group of players do affect other players (in many different ways course). And thats why EVE is a MMOG for me, as CCP realised a very nice sandbox for everyone to play with. To boil it down for the simple ones: EvE is the fine understament stuff like any good Jazz. While WoW is some Britney Spears or any other singing Boobies.
idla	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:16:00 - [96] Gate camping, pos shooting, pos refueling, empire missions, mining, roaming empty system after empty system trying to find someone to kill. That's what you're doing in eve 90% of the time. To me that is boring and I consider it a grind. Does eve suck then? No. Every MMO has grinds. What makes any game fun is the people you play it with.
Kari Awn Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:17:00 - [97] I played WoW for about 4 months. I left for 3 reasons. 1. The grind is awful. If you play solo it's even more so. When I started playing WoW I had a partner, my husband. He came to his senses early and left 2 months in. I, however, took longer because I really wanted to give it a chance. I loved the graphics and the overall story line was interesting. The grind got really old really quick. After my husband left it was worse soloing. Kill x number of x to get x item and then turn it in. That gets boring. EVE gives you choices!! You can be working on skills and you don't have to be logged in. I love that. You also can be anything you want to be. It's a challenge to play unlike WoW. WoW really has no end game. EVE is ever evolving. 2. The community was immature in my opinion. Yes, there were those mature players out there but they were the minority. The smack talk was lame and it seemed that there was a lack of respect among the community. If I wanted to listen to a bunch of losers talk about their loser lives I'd watch Big Brother. I want a community that's mature and helpful. I want to be able to leave my local chat on without worrying about the ridiculous smack spewing forth from some teen angst troll. 3. The difficulty level in EVE is much higher than WoW. I need a challenge. EVE offers that challenge which in turn draws a more mature crowd. I observed my husband playing EVE and how much fun he was having and I was ready to give it a try. I was hooked. I can see myself playing EVE for a very long time. I guess you could say that when someone says "Go play Wow", they actually mean go play something easier, if you want mindless chat, endless grinding, and virtually no end game, WoW may be the game for you. Women who behave rarely make history.
Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:49:00 - [98] Edited by: Benglada on 27/08/2006 01:50:05 I grind once every 2-4 weeks for 6 hours npcing in my domi (most recently ishtar) To make enough money to pvp for the rest of the month. Grinding once or twice a month isnt to bad.... WoW is a grind from the moment you login. Oh: In eve, you win, your lose, you win a tiny but but lose time. In wow you always win..>it just takes a lot of grinding, which is stupid. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Drakesh Caldari The Otter Pop Foundation	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:58:00 - [99] WoW has gnomes... That can jump. Not a fan. =============================================
Mirage Kisaragi Gallente Warrior Nation United	Posted - 2006.08.27 03:52:00 - [100] I doubt anyone here will vote for WoW, makes you think. Why are you even here in the first place? Hehe... EVE Online. I've played WoW for a few months. Sure it's a big world, large community, and has a lot of features. But it's still a grind. Instance running over and over again to get an item will be a must, as well as endless PvP if you wish yo keep your rank. Did I mention the waiting lines to log in at times, or the bad community? EVE is much more open ended, and grind friendly. EVE rewards skill over obsession in PvP, not grinding endless hours to be good. You have to plan, strategize, and have patience, in order to be successful, all are not evident in WoW. ~ Live by the sword, die by the sword ~ > > Gfx Artist for Hire < <
Captain Hudson Caldari Bravehearts	Posted - 2006.08.27 03:56:00 - [101] Originally by: 3rdD Dave well i subscribe to both eve and wow and i think WOW is a much superior game. Proberly because it was made by a company with million and millions of pounds and a large work force. Quote: I Hope your computer melts and you can never play eve again
Lienzo Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.27 03:57:00 - [102] You can inject challenge and innovation into anything you wish. For example, even in WoW, GMs cannot moderate guild hierarchies or politics. In chess, the real challenge is not contained on the board, but in the mind of your opponent. If you are missing a couple pawns from the box you can still play the game. Republic Fleet phases out obsolete Vigils.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd	Posted - 2006.08.27 06:09:00 - [103] I installed the WoW 10 day trial a few days ago, and gave it a whirl. I must admit, I get the immediate feeling that I am back playing Oblivion again (minus a few bars of graphics), and by saying that, it really does feel like a single player game. The first time I almost died, I was packing it, not wanting to have to buy another Mace. To my amazement, I went back to my corpse, and found I hadn't lost a single thing. While this is a nice change from Eve, it kinda feels wrong that I can kill anything with no repercussions. Then, last night I attempted those battlefields. After the 45 minute wait I was teleported in, and fighting for my establishment. This was very enjoyable, until I died and found I was respawning. I immediately felt like I was back in Medal Of Honour Deathmatch server. I think WoW needs some level of loss. Right now, the only possible direction a WoW person can go, is up. Their uber weapons will always get better, and their level 60's will never drop in levels. It just kinda reminds me of god-mode being permanently on. Having said all of the above. I am enjoying WoW and currently sitting on level 12. I doubt I will pay for it at the end of the trial, but if I do so, it will only be for 1 month. I don't see anywhere near the longetivity that Eve provides in WoW. I see it as a fun game I can fool around with until it gets to a point where I am bored killing the same guys over and over again, etc. It is almost getting to this point already after a few days. A couple of months ago, I would have been happily telling people to go play WoW. I won't do this again, as I do see the interesting side of WoW, but the simplicity of it and such static advancement just seems to feel a little dull to me. Either way Eve will always be my lovechild with all 3 of my Eve accounts always being the number one priority over WoW. Insured Research and Production Services
Shinon Asahina Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.27 07:05:00 - [104] MMOs used to have a lot more loss, but players consistently complained. They voted with their feet and moved into the games with less loss. So while I also enjoyed the sense of danger from possible PKs in UO, etc. a lot of people didn't -- Hence why they eventually came out with the Trammel/Felucca split. etc. In the end they are 2 very different games. If you don't like WoW, then don't play it. But that doesn't mean you should constantly throw it in peoples faces if they do enjoy it. EVE has just as much grinding as WoW, just in different ways. Status grinding, mining isn't very glamorous. Ratting and Deadspace is just like instance grinding in WoW in many respects. So I don't get where you can say that EVE is this holy mecca compared to WoW. Sure, I agree that the PvP instances were a bad idea, but on the flipside Shadowbane had everything you guys probably love and yet the game flopped. Just face the fact that MMOs with heavy "death" loss will never be mainstream.
3rdD Dave Gallente Dark Entropy	Posted - 2006.08.27 07:22:00 - [105] Originally by: Captain Hudson Originally by: 3rdD Dave well i subscribe to both eve and wow and i think WOW is a much superior game. Proberly because it was made by a company with million and millions of pounds and a large work force. i was being sarcastic !
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.08.27 08:57:00 - [106] Originally by: Dark Shikari Some of EVE is a grind. It is not required that a player grind if he doesn't want. All of WoW is a grind. It is required that a player grind if he wants to do well. That's the difference. I think the better term is "Some of EVE is not a grind." Grinding in EVE: Mining...check. Missions...check. Ratting...check. Complexes...check. (trade goods) Trading...check. The whole PvE sector of EVE is just as grindy as in WoW, there isn't really a difference here. Now..PvP. Quite a bit of EVEs PvP is effeciently also a "grind". POS wars, Freighter escorts, gatecamps on chokezones for example. Another interesting this is that people actually made their own grind for PvP, namely Killboards. Most people do not care where they are and just PvP for fun, other people "grind" kills to become the top on the board. Thats not really that different to the WoW BG grind, there are plenty of people which play them for fun, not for ranks. All together PvP has quite a bit of grinding in it, but it is on the whole less grind-intensive than WoW. This is ignoring that to supports EVEs PvP you need to do more PvE grinding than you need to do for the same thing in WoW, though. Of cource there are people who support themselves from PvP only, but that really applies only to the top of the food chain, the majority needs to do PvE (or player trading) to keep up in PvP.
Aodha Khan Minmatar Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2006.08.27 09:32:00 - [107] Originally by: Infinity Ziona I just spent 3 weeks, every spare moment of my time, grinding my way up so I can afford a dreadnought and its fittings. It'll probably be destroyed since I plan to take it to 0.0 and kill people and I will have to do it all over again. Isnt that a grind too? You chose to do it that way. That's the difference and what having a sandbox can provide for you. Freedom and choice. Me, I'm not grinding my way to a carrier but can afford to buy one without grinding. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
Shazzakh Minmatar Black Veil Company	Posted - 2006.08.27 09:35:00 - [108] I agree with most of the points here.
Emno Caldari E X O D U S	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:12:00 - [109] Originally by: Julius Raid Your Guild Raids do not get affected by a "Gate Camp". Instances have an enterance you really think everyone just lets everyone else walk in without hassle ;p Originally by: Julius Raid You cant get famous by stealing 15/30/700g (cause it aint possible after all). Borrow money off someone and don't give it back? doesn't work it wow ;/ Originally by: Julius Raid Everyone cries when someone sets a "lvl 10 gear" for 100g on market. Yes idiots will whine but that happens in eve also Originally by: Julius Raid To boil it down for the simple ones: EvE is the fine understament stuff like any good Jazz. While WoW is some Britney Spears or any other singing Boobies. wow is good for eve tbh it gets people into mmorpgs (could say the same thing for britney spears getting people into music )
Emno Caldari E X O D U S	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:19:00 - [110] Originally by: Ricdic I think WoW needs some level of loss. Right now, the only possible direction a WoW person can go, is up. Their uber weapons will always get better, and their level 60's will never drop in levels. It just kinda reminds me of god-mode being permanently on. Every time you die in pve your armour takes a 10% durabilty loss which costs so much to repair (better the gear the bigger the repair bill) in wow you can die an aweful lot and this bill can be quite large with good gear Originally by: Ricdic Having said all of the above. I am enjoying WoW and currently sitting on level 12. I doubt I will pay for it at the end of the trial, but if I do so, it will only be for 1 month. I don't see anywhere near the longetivity that Eve provides in WoW. This is like somone saying saying i've done a few level 1 missions so eve sucks as its just shooting npcs that die in one shot From 1 to 60 you basicly learn how to play your character if you had leveled to 60 played a while then said it had to real longetivity it might be worth listening to what you say about wow but as it is i just find it funny Originally by: Ricdic I see it as a fun game I can fool around with until it gets to a point where I am bored killing the same guys over and over again, etc. It is almost getting to this point already after a few days. A couple of months ago, I would have been happily telling people to go play WoW. I won't do this again, as I do see the interesting side of WoW, but the simplicity of it and such static advancement just seems to feel a little dull to me. Either way Eve will always be my lovechild with all 3 of my Eve accounts always being the number one priority over WoW. This is based off someone who has gotten to level 12? i've just gone from 1-12 on an alt took me 3 hours ;/ Anyway pve is alot better (for me thats harder, missions = yawn) in wow. Pvp is more fun is eve due to the risk of losing everything but that only works when the servers work perfectly and all your losses are your fault heh
Arthall	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:22:00 - [111] Heh funny. I played WoW for almost 2 years, and I was sick of it. I check back a month later and everyone on my server/guild has either quit or migrated. It's literally a deadzone now. The only thing in that game is endgame grind content until the expansion arrives. And after that it's non-40 man instances grinding again. Grind for flying mount, grind for next tier, grind for rep, over and over. Nothing more, nothing less. The fact they have "6 million" subscribers is irrelevant. Good timing on opening, huge hype because of warcraft, and a very addictive loot system. 2 Years ago leveling to 1-60 for the first time was very fun, I can see why most people cling to wow, because they have hopes it'll be like that again, but since the current developers (bur) took over somewhere it's only a grind fest in endgame content and the laughable honour system.
Kadrush	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:23:00 - [112] WoW is a typical mmorpg in many ways, the level system is boring and the market selling system is horrible. EVE has a incredible great market system, the best I have ever seen. You dont neet to play 10 hours per day to level and make money and this is great to avoid getting addicted (not always I think). If someday I quit EVE I really doubt that I am going to ever play another game on the internet.
000Hunter000 Gallente Dummy Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:28:00 - [113] After reading a few posts i thought i'd throw in my 0.1 isk. ok, u ready for it? Here comes!!! If u don't like it... DON'T PLAY IT!!! Banner will be updated shortly
spookz Freedom Confederation	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:55:00 - [114] I tried WoW for a few days, I found it very boring and would lose interest after 30 minutes of playing. "I want these motherf**g sharks off the motherf**g roller coaster!"
Spiderweb Caldari GENERIC RACE Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:28:00 - [115] Edited by: Spiderweb on 27/08/2006 11:30:26 I played WOW for 11 months competively. I was guildmaster of the 4th best guild in a famous server and had an uber dressed rogue for that matter. WoW is B O R I N G . Can be fun in the beginning but after the 100th MC run its gets as dull as watchin soap operas from India. WoW and diablo are practically Barby dressing games for boys. You have your character and you dress him up (armor etc) for the SOLE reason to be able to find more clothes to dress up later. Its stupid and the only thing that holds people together is the community which is littered with 15-20 year olds. PVP in WoW is great for duels (it does require tactics and good play to win) but its retarded when fighting for honour etc. Plus theres NO reason to PVP. Theres NOTHING to protect in WoW. NO player owned areas of houses or whatever. PVPing in WoW is pointless unless you do honour farming which you honestly CANT call that PvP. Its pure grinding. its extremely linear as well. WoW is for people who cant be asked using their brains, and then realise that they exchange the use of brains with the use of time. ----------------------------------------------- "Light, in the Darkest of Hours..."
Buraken v2 Amarr Amarr Defence Initiative	Posted - 2006.08.27 12:06:00 - [116] PLEASE CLICK ME PLEASE CLICK ME #2 PLEASE CLICK ME #3 PLEASE CLICK ME #4 PLEASE CLICK ME #5 Quote: Mail from: Houvire Takaerne 2006.06.06 19:25 Our research has been fruity. If you're interested, I believe I have found what might be a banana in the corner of my office draw.
coldplasma	Posted - 2006.08.27 13:20:00 - [117] Originally by: Infinity Ziona I just spent 3 weeks, every spare moment of my time, grinding my way up so I can afford a dreadnought and its fittings. It'll probably be destroyed since I plan to take it to 0.0 and kill people and I will have to do it all over again. Isnt that a grind too? What the hell do you want a dreadnought for? They are not designed to kill people in, their primary purpose is for taking down structures and stations. ____________________________ See you in 0.0 kids...
Amber Coldheart	Posted - 2006.08.27 14:14:00 - [118] As i see it, its very simple. I've played several MMO's over an extended period time (Anarchy Online and WoW). This is my second go at EVE (gave up the first time, which is several years ago). Over the weeks and months in watching this forum (the times its actually working, and not bugridden...), people have said how good EVE is in comparison to the other MMO's when it comes to downtime and whatnot. How on earth are you guys figuring that ? I played AO for several years, and WoW from launch and until the implementation of the "Hunter patch" (late last year). I am a very active player, usually online for 5+ hours every day. EVE easily has more downtime, bugs, and problems than the other two combined. Any time someone has a critical post though, the fanboys come running (so im expecting to get my share, hehe). When it comes to customer service, we cant really even rate EVE in that department... because it doesnt seem to have any. Petitions running 5+ WEEKS, etc should be completely unacceptable.. but again the fanboys to the rescue :) I'd say the issue of customer service alone has EVE beat silly by any MMO out there.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.27 14:22:00 - [119] WOW has like 5 million subscribers? EVE has like 130k? I'll never play WOW, but games like EVE will never be able to compete with games like WOW... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Aodha Khan Minmatar Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2006.08.27 14:23:00 - [120] Edited by: Aodha Khan on 27/08/2006 14:24:15 Originally by: Amber Coldheart As i see it, its very simple. How on earth are you guys figuring that ? I played AO for several years, and WoW from launch and until the implementation of the "Hunter patch" (late last year). I am a very active player, usually online for 5+ hours every day. EVE easily has more downtime, bugs, and problems than the other two combined. Any time someone has a critical post though, the fanboys come running (so im expecting to get my share, hehe). How do you make your opinion based on your return and 28 days play? Eve is unstable at the moment, probably as bad as I have saw it since beta. Having played for 3+ years I can actually base my opinion on some facts and Eve is normally quite stable compared to other MMORPG I have played. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.

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