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Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1856	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:49:24 - [1] - Quote Quote: GÇ£What hangs on a wall and you can dry your hands on it?GÇ¥ GÇ£Um, a towel.GÇ¥ GÇ£No, a herring.GÇ¥ GÇ£A herring! A herring doesnGÇÖt hang on a wall.GÇ¥ GÇ£But you could hang it there.GÇ¥ GÇ£But who wants to dry his hands on a herring?GÇ¥ GÇ£Well, you donGÇÖt have to.GÇ¥ -Sigmund Freud It was stated to be a hisec ship. Why are you all in a tizzy about its usage (or lack of therein) in low or null? Yes you can take it there if you want to but you don't have to. I asked for this ship knowing damn well it would be a gank target and in discussion with people in hisec most of them understood that as well. NOBODY should expect total safety and balancing your safety vs the want to do things is a part of the game. Live with it or don't fly it. Simple as that. I appreciate all the theory crafters and people showing what the fit can be. I agree it could use a shade more ehp and am discussing it internally but I am NOT trying to make it invulnerable to the point that sufficient gankers will tidi themselves into boredom. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1864	Posted - 2014.11.12 02:55:18 - [2] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Why do they need more than one bs? I don't run incursions so I'm not up on their current meta. There are different ships in an HQ incursion fleet. Depending on whom you fly with there will be snipers, dps, logi, and the drone bunny. Yes some of them will be pirate hulls (nightmare, mach, vindi) but you can also see the occasional hyperion, rokh, TFI. etc. Unless you are talking multiboxers you are very apt to see a mix of ships and styles and if you wan the best chance of being called up you will have an assortment handy so you can step into any role. So you bring a couple of BS's and maybe a cruiser or two. This is why I asked for this ship and why I am trying to follow this thread (aside from the debate societies additions) So . . . the basic stats. Is it big enough? Does it fullfill the stated role? Is the tank sufficient? I am NOT asking if it shoudl have jumpdrive, doomsday, hammer4 fittings. Just is it balanced enough that it is not 'safe against all' nor 'a paper bag with a screen door'. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1865	Posted - 2014.11.12 08:01:11 - [3] - Quote Barton Breau wrote: People are asking for crazy stuff because it is 'meh' as it is now, a 1.6m m3 freighter. According to my finger math, with 2x fitted bs, T3 and a T2 logi, you will very likely be past the treshold of profitability. But maybe it is exactly that what you have wanted, dunno, i do not see it as the highsec equivalent of a suitcase carrier, and not because of the inability to jump. I want it to be the decision of the owner of the Bowhead. Overload it and take a chance of gank or fit sensibly and be a lot safer. You should have the option of fitting/filling badly and paying the price for greed. Yeah, I am a carebear . . . m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1869	Posted - 2014.11.13 08:17:20 - [4] - Quote Anonymous Forumposter wrote: I'm grateful to have the troll stench gone from the thread, but going from 63 pages down to 45 means 29% of the entire contents of this thread after only a few days was entirely useless. That's more than just a little depressing. I read what was there, you missed very little. As always there is an offsite record http://eve-search.com/thread/384682-1 but for the most part, nah. Back to the ship. So far I have seen some good ideas and a fair number of bad ideas. No, it does not need a jump drive. Yes I think it could stand a BIT more tank. For the eft folks looking for the max ehp could you also run the numbers with it having full boosting? IF incursion folks did an armada then that would be a possibility. I am curious about insurance. If it is T1 will you be able to insure it for almost full value (excluding cargo)? Drone bay, yeah I could see that but like the lack of weapons . . . this is not made to fight directly. So I understand the commitment to the concept. For the gankers I am curious . . . when Taloses are used is it alpha or a dependence on the 05 or 0.6 slow response of concord to get a couple of volleys in? m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1871	Posted - 2014.11.13 09:20:23 - [5] - Quote Masao Kurata wrote: I'm glad you can admit that you don't actually know what you're talking about. Each talos gets 7 volleys in a fully prepared 0.5 system, 5 volleys in an unprepared 0.5 system, 5 in a prepared 0.6 system or 4 in an unprepared 0.6 system. I try to learn and to do that I have to be willing to admit where I do and do not know things. Only time I was in a gank fleet it was to NOT shoot in hopes their calculations would be off enough that they would all die without target destruction. 700k+ eh? wow m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1871	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:58:27 - [6] - Quote Someone asked why I think the Bowhead could stand a shade more EHP shield/armor/hull 10750/6900/46000 orca 21000 / 11000 / 39500 bowhead 90000/30000/250000 rorqual 14000/40000/110000 obelisk It depends on how you look at it and where you think it fits in the spectrum of ships, I suppose. If it fits capital rigs then I would assume that it will have the structure to hold them and then the hull needs some thickening. If it is a distant cousin of the Orca then I would say the cap rigs are inappropriate. Some of you have compared it to the Rorqual (poor things really need to be looked to) but it is no where near it in tank. So I ask, who is the Bowhead closest to and how does its tank/structure compare with theirs? If it is flying as a capital level freighter then it should be tanked accordingly. If it is not then change the rigs and we can discuss it vis a vis the Orca m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1877	Posted - 2014.11.15 00:25:20 - [7] - Quote Well fascinating as this is, I received what I asked for from Rise, a bit more tank. If there is something else specific you wish addressed in reference to the Bowhead feel free to send me an Evemail but I believe this thread has 'jumped the shark' and I will no longer follow and read every post in it. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9

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