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Alex Daddario Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2014.11.10 16:25:08 - [1] - Quote As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? Those vermin living on Caldari Prime have a multitude of station orbiting them, which, I have no problem with. However, I would like some on Gallente Prime. We own the system, we certainly own the planet, so why no stations to park my clone contract at, or to chill on my off days. Just something I would like to know/ get a station built xD
Gwen Ikiryo Alexylva Paradox Low-Class 340	Posted - 2014.11.10 16:29:34 - [2] - Quote Miss Daddario, You might not have noticed, but Gallente Prime has a lot of moons. Seventeen, I think - Eighteen? Gods, I can't even remember. My point is, it would be perilous to put anything bigger then a weather satellite in orbit of that planet.
Avio Yaken Scope Works 1468	Posted - 2014.11.10 16:30:09 - [3] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: Those vermin living on Caldari Prime have a multitude of station orbiting them Incoming Diana kim hate One does not simply, Cope with the scope DUST 514 recruitment link
Alex Daddario Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.11.10 16:49:53 - [4] - Quote Gwen Ikiryo wrote: Miss Daddario, You might not have noticed, but Gallente Prime has a lot of moons. Seventeen, I think - Eighteen? Gods, I can't even remember. My point is, it would be perilous to put anything bigger then a weather satellite in orbit of that planet. What about a station orbiting one of the moons then? I am sure I can find examples where this has been done before.
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 159	Posted - 2014.11.10 16:50:17 - [5] - Quote Mademoiselle Daddario, First, if your complaint is honestly about the lack of stations surrounding Gallente Prime then this is the inappropriate venue to lodge your complaint. Second, there are no stations around Gallente Prime because none have been constructed there. There are satellite cities on the plethora of moons surrounding Gallente Prime and many of the central cities of the Federation have accommodations and lifestyles equivalent or superior to those you would find on stations. Third, see Mademoiselle Ikiryo's response. The shift in the gravitational equilibrium between the orbital bodies of the planet from adding a single station could be catastrophic. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Wendrika Hydreiga Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:04:10 - [6] - Quote Personaly, I live in Astrin's orbit. But really, what does having stations in orbit or not have to do with anything? There's already six of them in Luminaire. Wouldn't mind an Ishukone station though...
Kale Silence Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking 72	Posted - 2014.11.10 17:26:23 - [7] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? Well first, stations are for space, not for planets. I'm surprised you didn't know that. Either you talk dumb or your translator is broken. Plus there's all this stuff about moons and gravity and sciencey stuff. eats popcorn Quote: Those vermin living on Caldari Prime have a multitude of station orbiting them, which, I have no problem with. Obviously. "Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care." - Anonymous
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4103	Posted - 2014.11.10 18:55:53 - [8] - Quote It's so obviously designed to have me spluttering in outrage that I'm just going to wave tolerantly at the OP. waves "Hi, sweetie!" "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Alex Daddario Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:16:31 - [9] - Quote Kale Silence wrote: Either you talk dumb or your translator is broken. You must be a Caldari citizen :)
Anslo Scope Works 21134	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:27:37 - [10] - Quote Kale do you ever not post liquid **? [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]**
Avio Yaken Scope Works 1484	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:38:20 - [11] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: Kale Silence wrote: Either you talk dumb or your translator is broken. You must be a Caldari citizen :) Yes the Sebiestor is obviously a Caldari citizen One does not simply, Cope with the scope DUST 514 recruitment link
Jaret Victorian Crystalis Foundation 22	Posted - 2014.11.10 19:43:20 - [12] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: vermin living on Caldari Prime What?! Diana, quickly, be racist!
iyammarrok Stellar Essence Open Space Consultancy 198	Posted - 2014.11.10 20:25:07 - [13] - Quote Just here adding my sincere hope that this is not just another sock puppet to make someone seem like their stance is valid... again. as for the op... utter ignorant tripe. Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.
Alex Daddario Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.11.10 20:46:03 - [14] - Quote iyammarrok wrote: Just here adding my sincere hope that this is not just another sock puppet to make someone seem like their stance is valid... again. as for the op... utter ignorant tripe. Tha's not very noice. Ey's just a donkay
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1405	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:22:44 - [15] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: Those vermin living on Caldari Prime have a multitude of station orbiting them First, the only vermin living on Caldari Prime are gallente occupants, who still control almost half of the planet. Don't worry, we will soon come and cleanse our home planet from these disgusting subhuman gallenteans. Unfortunately, we are currently busy in low security space and in black rise, killing all this gallentean subhuman scum, encroaching to our systems, and they still continue to pour in disregarding being slaughtered. But soon gallentean human resources will run thinner and we will return and clean the Luminaire from gallentean infestation. But in the end, ALL ENEMIES OF THE STATE WILL DIE ! We will track them down, find every one of them, in both low and high security space, in federal, concord and other territories, there will be no safe space for them. We will find them and eliminate them.
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 1041	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:27:55 - [16] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? Just something I would like to know/ get a station built xD It might have to do with the NIMBY (Not In My Backyard syndrome) Gallente Prime is a democracy no? So the lack of stations must be sought among the population, perhaps they always opposed strongly about having an orbital station? Keep in mind, it's very easy to run a scare in a democratic voting to swing the vote in your favor (or at least away from you opponents desire). Spread stories on how the complex gravity fields of the many moons will surely spin a station out of control, or that the station could be taken over by Evil Caldari to turn it against the planet! Or even worse, a station filled with Evil Genocidal Capsuleers! Right above Gallente Prime! Imagine that! In short, petition either your local government on Gallente Prime or the Federal authorities on Villore on the reason for lack of station in orbit of Gallente Prime. In the meantime, us Caldari shall make liberal use of the (caldari!) stations in orbit of Caldari Prime to establish an economic center for Capsuleers. Just to make sure our visits to Caldari Prime happen under the most pleasant of circumstances of course. The Golden Masque Wine tasting & Writing contest The return of Dr Hilen Tukoss, Arek'Jaalan project leader
Avio Yaken Scope Works 1489	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:30:45 - [17] - Quote Called it One does not simply, Cope with the scope DUST 514 recruitment link
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:32:33 - [18] - Quote Kim Vs Daddario: who can spew the most venomous, racially offensive, I'll-conceived bullshit contest. Annnnnnnnnnd go.
Kiera Minaris Asylum Institution Care Factor 12	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:33:49 - [19] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Kim Vs Daddario: who can spew the most venomous, racially offensive, I'll-conceived bullshit contest. Annnnnnnnnnd go. Who is this Kim person everyone is talking about?
Alex Daddario Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.11.10 21:36:29 - [20] - Quote Jandice Ymladris wrote: Alex Daddario wrote: As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? Just something I would like to know/ get a station built xD It might have to do with the NIMBY (Not In My Backyard syndrome) Gallente Prime is a democracy no? So the lack of stations must be sought among the population, perhaps they always opposed strongly about having an orbital station? Keep in mind, it's very easy to run a scare in a democratic voting to swing the vote in your favor (or at least away from you opponents desire). Spread stories on how the complex gravity fields of the many moons will surely spin a station out of control, or that the station could be taken over by Evil Caldari to turn it against the planet! Or even worse, a station filled with Evil Genocidal Capsuleers! Right above Gallente Prime! Imagine that! In short, petition either your local government on Gallente Prime or the Federal authorities on Villore on the reason for lack of station in orbit of Gallente Prime. In the meantime, us Caldari shall make liberal use of the (caldari!) stations in orbit of Caldari Prime to establish an economic center for Capsuleers. Just to make sure our visits to Caldari Prime happen under the most pleasant of circumstances of course. Although the most useful post (and I will be taking it up with said people) I am afraid to say that some of those stations around Caldari Prime are in fact Gallente owned :D Certainly the one I am residing in is.
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 72	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:02:26 - [21] - Quote I do so love watching these new capsuleers immediately marginalize themselves in the community. -K
Jararia Minaris Asylum Institution Care Factor 3	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:17:23 - [22] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Kim Vs Daddario: who can spew the most venomous, racially offensive, I'll-conceived bullshit contest. Annnnnnnnnnd go. Although not directed at me, it's time to get mah racist awn cracks knuckles. Ah Gallente, what can one say about these peace loving democratic citizens? To start with, you bunch of hippie ass, flower wearing, namby pamby, airy fairy, petal farting morons couldn't organise your way out of a paper bag with a Phoenix and enough explosives to level a planet, let alone set up your own station! God forbid you might have a terribly ugly station floating above your "precious" little dustball, mucking up your nice views of space, I mean, just think of all the harm it would do with all that infrastructure, trading, and many other horrible economy stimulating functions that all these awful stations have! As for your gravitational issues, any Caldari child could set up a decent gravitational computation to keep your little station floating about your ugly ass hunk of dirt before they learned to crawl! I guess your engineers are too busy playing in the flowers and dancing with the fairies to actually be useful! bows
Jararia Minaris Asylum Institution Care Factor 3	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:18:49 - [23] - Quote And runs swiftly away
Jararia Minaris Asylum Institution Care Factor 3	Posted - 2014.11.10 22:23:29 - [24] - Quote Please note, that was intended as very tongue in cheek... before people put death threats out or something...
Wendrika Hydreiga Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:25:41 - [25] - Quote Kiera Minaris wrote: Who is this Kim person everyone is talking about? Oh hai! You must be new to the Intergalactic Summit. Let me give you some pointers on a few key famous persons you will meet: There's Miss Kim, and she is Caldari. No other descriptors required! She fights for the State and made her personal goal to see the Federation destroyed. She is quite popular because of that! There's Mister Anslo and he's a reporter. That shoots people! He works for the Scope and does shady business. A very abrasive person to talk with! Mister Yaken works for Mister Anslo and he's also a reporter. That shoots people! Notice the pattern? He's nicer than Mister Anslo and is also a proud Caldari, but less fervent than Miss Kim! Miss Muck Racker is also a reporter. That actual reports things! Usually very silly and uncanny things, but things nontheles! Very reserved about her activities and pursuits. Mister Nauplius is mean and likes to murder people. Minmatar mostly. He eats them too! I mean, he drinks them, with a straw! Did I mention he is mean? Actually he just wants a friend that believes in the same religion he does. Miss Funk does the same things that Mister Nauplius does but is more reserved about it. As result, she is more popular! There's this Cardinal person I don't really know who he is. He likes to banish people for reasons. Lady Aspenstar is kind and friendly. And she's an Amarr devout that does good. Knows more than she shows. Lord Draconis is a holder noble person that has huge estates and is very serious about business. Mister Cane is an Angel! A bad one at that! Deal with caution! Miss Mika is a doctor, a medic, and a logistics. She heals people and ships! She has a strange professional relationship with Miss Kim. Mister Antoliere is a silly Gallente. He likes potatoes, frog legs and saying "oui, oui". He's also a stereotype. Mister Stitcher is not a member of Sansha's Nation. I have no idea who started that rumor. Mister Foley is strange and did some horrible things to a turkey once. He's also a Dust Bunny! Mister Thal is a Templar and fights for the Amarr! ... There are many others out there that you should definitely meet!
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:29:53 - [26] - Quote how many Caldari does it take to screw in a light bulb? despends on how high up the chain of command the order comes from. How many Amarr does it take to screw in a light bulb? none, they have slaves for manual labour. how many Minmatar does it take to screw in a light bulb? Whats a light bulb? out rust is luminescent.... how many Gallente does it take to screw in a light bulb? 881 to vote on the kind of bulb, and one to hold it up while the universe revolves around them.
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 159	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:50:36 - [27] - Quote Mademoiselle Hydreiga, I am hardly famous and I'm not particularly fond of frog legs... Tyrel Toov wrote: how many Gallente does it take to screw in a light bulb? 881 to vote on the kind of bulb, and one to hold it up while the universe revolves around them. This was amusing, however. At least, in my opinion. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Jinari Otsito Otsito Mining and Manufacture 776	Posted - 2014.11.10 23:59:55 - [28] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: how many Caldari does it take to screw in a light bulb? despends on how high up the chain of command the order comes from. This can not go without a (reposted) response: How many of us Caldari does it take to fix a spotlight? Just one. We're efficient and not all that funny. Alternatively, how many State Capsuleers does it take to change a lightbulb? Such number as may be deemed to perform the stated task in a timely and efficient manner within the strictures of the following agreement: Whereas the party of the first part, also known as GÇ£capsuleer,GÇ¥ and the party of the second part, also known as GÇ£Light Bulb,GÇ¥ do hereby and forthwith agree to a transaction wherein the party of the second part (Light Bulb) shall be removed from the current position as a result of failure to perform previously agreed-upon duties, i.e., the illumination of the area ranging from the front (north) door, through the entryway, terminating at an area just inside the primary living area, demarcated by the beginning of the carpet, any spillover illumination being at the option of the party of the second part (Light Bulb) and not required by the aforementioned agreement between the parties. The aforementioned removal transaction shall include, but not be limited to, the following steps: 1.) The party of the first part (capsuleer) shall, with or without elevation, at his or her option, by means of a chair, stepstool, ladder, or any other means of elevation, grasp the party of the second part (Light Bulb) and rotate the party of the second part (Light Bulb) in a counterclockwise direction, said direction being non- negotiable. Said grasping and rotation of the party of the second part (Light Bulb) shall be undertaken by the party of the first part (capsuleer) with every reasonable caution by the party of the first part (capsuleer) to maintain the structural integrity of the party of the second part (Light Bulb), notwithstanding the aforementioned failure of the party of the second part (Light Bulb) to perform the aforementioned customary and agreed-upon duties. The foregoing notwithstanding, however, both parties stipulate that structural failure of the party of the second part (Light Bulb) may be incidental to the aforementioned failure to perform, and in such case the party of the first part (capsuleer) shall be held blameless for such structural failure insofar as this agreement is concerned so long as the non-negotiable directional codicil (counterclockwise) is observed by the party of the first part (capsuleer) throughout. 2.) Upon reaching a point where the party of the second part (Light Bulb) becomes separated from the party of the third part (GÇ£ReceptacleGÇ¥), the party of the first part (capsuleer) shall have the option of disposing of the party of the second part (Light Bulb) in a manner consistent with all applicable state, local, and federal statutes. 3.) Once separation and disposal have been achieved, the party of the first part (capsuleer) shall have the option of beginning installation of the party of the fourth part (GÇ£New Light BulbGÇ¥). This installation shall occur in a manner consistent with the reverse of the procedures described in Step 1 of this document, being careful to note that the rotation should occur in a clockwise direction, said direction also being non-negotiable. NOTE: The above-described steps may be performed, at the option of the party of the first part (capsuleer), by said party of the first part (capsuleer), by his or her heirs and assigns, or by any and all persons authorized by him to do so, the objective being to produce a level of illumination in the immediate vicinity of the aforementioned front (north) door consistent with maximization of commerce and revenue for the party of the fifth part, also known as GÇ£The Corporation.GÇ¥ Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2014.11.11 00:16:06 - [29] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Mister Cane is an Angel! A bad one at that! Deal with caution! Mister Foley is strange and did some horrible things to a turkey once. He's also a Dust Bunny! 1) there is no such thing as a bad Angel, just one you ran afoul of. 2)Im sure the turkey had it coming....
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1406	Posted - 2014.11.11 01:51:06 - [30] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: There's this Cardinal person I don't really know who he is. He likes to banish people for reasons. Correction: without reasons. And talking with such cardinal is the same as talking to a wall, that has bricks instead of brains.
Jandice Ymladris Aurora Arcology 1041	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:06:58 - [31] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: Although the most useful post (and I will be taking it up with said people) I am afraid to say that some of those stations around Caldari Prime are in fact Gallente owned :D Certainly the one I am residing in is. Oh I know, got to keep your friends close, but your competition closer after all! The Golden Masque Wine tasting & Writing contest The return of Dr Hilen Tukoss, Arek'Jaalan project leader
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 3369	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:11:59 - [32] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? We already put a carrier on your home planet. Now you want a station? Wow, you're greedy! Well, you know what they say... 'Give a mouse a cookie...' Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:31:37 - [33] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: Alex Daddario wrote: As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? We already put a carrier on your home planet. Now you want a station too? Well, you know what they say... 'Give a mouse a cookie...' You know you want to...
Caellach Marellus Stormcrows 1535	Posted - 2014.11.11 02:54:15 - [34] - Quote Because this forum clearly lacked a thread for racist commentary and general ignorance. When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 187	Posted - 2014.11.11 03:25:23 - [35] - Quote Didn't the Federation move their capital world to Villore? Why not just bring up your complaints there?
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 47	Posted - 2014.11.11 05:47:46 - [36] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Because this forum clearly lacked a thread for racist commentary and general ignorance. It is so good to have that problem fixed now, isn't it?
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1597	Posted - 2014.11.11 07:57:13 - [37] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? Those vermin living on Caldari Prime have a multitude of station orbiting them, which, I have no problem with. However, I would like some on Gallente Prime. We own the system, we certainly own the planet, so why no stations to park my clone contract at, or to chill on my off days. Just something I would like to know/ get a station built xD So what not everyone was born on Gallente Prime. Akrasjel Lanate General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
Liam Antolliere University of Caille Gallente Federation 161	Posted - 2014.11.11 11:26:53 - [38] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Didn't the Federation move their capital world to Villore? Why not just bring up your complaints there? More-or-less. The legislative capitol of the Federation is on Villore. The Office of the President and the executive capitol of the Federation is on Ladistier. The Supreme Court is located on the judicial capitol of Parts. Villore IV is generally recognized as the de facto capitol world of the Federation after it was moved away from Gallente Prime for security reasons. The existence of three political homeworlds is meant to be a symbolic emphasis of the division of the branches of government and their separate, but equal, duties. More to the point, however, is that her complaints shouldn't be taken to any of these places. If a station were to be constructed around Gallente Prime, it would be the purview of whatever corporation or executive administration was going to put forth the capital and labor to have it constructed; who, in turn, would seek approval for the construction contract through the local administrative authority of whatever system and/or planet it was to be constructed in. A bit of research to contact the appropriate body would be necessary, not to mention the will to have a station built in the first place by an entity with the resources and permission to do so. "Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1407	Posted - 2014.11.12 09:56:47 - [39] - Quote Lets bring Justice for Caldari Prime to Villore IV then. What should we get on menu? - Planetary bombing - Occupation - Dropping of titan - Starting racist riots - Defacing gallentean monuments - Attacking gallentean citizens on Villore VI only because the are gallentean - Beating protesting against racism gallenteans with police force... But you know, on other hand, WE ARE NOT RACISTS AS GALLENTEANS. Lets just destroy Federation and won't let gallenteans ever do what they did to our Caldari Prime to any other planet. (however, returning gallenteans all this menu could be... edifying)
Alabath Schmidt Gradient 9	Posted - 2014.11.12 15:36:46 - [40] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Kiera Minaris wrote: Who is this Kim person everyone is talking about? Oh hai! You must be new to the Intergalactic Summit. Let me give you some pointers on a few key famous persons you will meet: There's Miss Kim, and she is Caldari. No other descriptors required! She fights for the State and made her personal goal to see the Federation destroyed. She is quite popular because of that! Mister Antoliere is a silly Gallente. He likes potatoes, frog legs and saying "oui, oui". He's also a stereotype. ... There are many others out there that you should definitely meet! Oh my goodness. I am dying. Anslo, you never told me you were a reporter! This thread is a gem. A real gem. You don't find new, inspired racism like this every day. Between DK and Nauplius, classic racism was growing stale and overdone.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1410	Posted - 2014.11.12 22:28:10 - [41] - Quote Alabath Schmidt wrote: Oh my goodness. I am dying. Anslo, you never told me you were a reporter! This thread is a gem. A real gem. You don't find new, inspired racism like this every day. Between DK and Nauplius, classic racism was growing stale and overdone. Thanks for another amusing comment from a gallentean lapdog, who started talking on this forum with insults (please, find her very first post on this forum, it is quite... explaining). For all the readers, I implore to not take words of this gallentean person for truth, as they neither contain argument, nor facts. Of course, I am not a racist, like this gallentean claims, she is like all these gallenteans on Caldari Prime, who were racists and were attacking Caldari citizens only because they were Caldari (please check newsreports from Caldari Prime right after the war has started). Amount of insults and lies on this media is overwhelming. Dear readers, please verify all words and don't take any claims without proofs, thanks!
James Syagrius Reclamation Technologies 933	Posted - 2014.11.12 23:38:45 - [42] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? Those vermin living on Caldari Prime have a multitude of station orbiting them, which, I have no problem with. However, I would like some on Gallente Prime. We own the system, we certainly own the planet, so why no stations to park my clone contract at, or to chill on my off days. Just something I would like to know/ get a station built xD Simple really, an extra twinkle might spoil the view. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise." -á
Jvpiter Jovelike 46	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:12:43 - [43] - Quote Take heed your careless tongue, Alex, lest someone make time to slice it off.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1412	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:36:24 - [44] - Quote I would.
Kale Silence Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking 72	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:08:58 - [45] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Kiera Minaris wrote: Who is this Kim person everyone is talking about? Oh hai! You must be new to the Intergalactic Summit. Let me give you some pointers on a few key famous persons you will meet: There's Miss Kim, and she is Caldari. No other descriptors required! She fights for the State and made her personal goal to see the Federation destroyed. She is quite popular because of that! There's Mister Anslo and he's a reporter. That shoots people! He works for the Scope and does shady business. A very abrasive person to talk with! Mister Yaken works for Mister Anslo and he's also a reporter. That shoots people! Notice the pattern? He's nicer than Mister Anslo and is also a proud Caldari, but less fervent than Miss Kim! Miss Muck Racker is also a reporter. That actual reports things! Usually very silly and uncanny things, but things nontheles! Very reserved about her activities and pursuits. Mister Nauplius is mean and likes to murder people. Minmatar mostly. He eats them too! I mean, he drinks them, with a straw! Did I mention he is mean? Actually he just wants a friend that believes in the same religion he does. Miss Funk does the same things that Mister Nauplius does but is more reserved about it. As result, she is more popular! There's this Cardinal person I don't really know who he is. He likes to banish people for reasons. Lady Aspenstar is kind and friendly. And she's an Amarr devout that does good. Knows more than she shows. Lord Draconis is a holder noble person that has huge estates and is very serious about business. Mister Cane is an Angel! A bad one at that! Deal with caution! Miss Mika is a doctor, a medic, and a logistics. She heals people and ships! She has a strange professional relationship with Miss Kim. Mister Antoliere is a silly Gallente. He likes potatoes, frog legs and saying "oui, oui". He's also a stereotype. Mister Stitcher is not a member of Sansha's Nation. I have no idea who started that rumor. Mister Foley is strange and did some horrible things to a turkey once. He's also a Dust Bunny! Mister Thal is a Templar and fights for the Amarr! ... There are many others out there that you should definitely meet! Hehe now I know who to go to for intel "Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care." - Anonymous
Kale Silence Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking 72	Posted - 2014.11.13 05:09:56 - [46] - Quote Anslo wrote: Kale do you ever not post liquid ***? eats popcorn, waits for more rantings* "Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care." - Anonymous
Xindi Kraid Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 810	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:40:01 - [47] - Quote Oh I see someone pushed the call button labeled Kim. Anyways why WOULD the Gallente choose to muddy up THEIR view of the stars when they can just use that stolen planet across the way?
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 748	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:09:55 - [48] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: Gwen Ikiryo wrote: Miss Daddario, You might not have noticed, but Gallente Prime has a lot of moons. Seventeen, I think - Eighteen? Gods, I can't even remember. My point is, it would be perilous to put anything bigger then a weather satellite in orbit of that planet. What about a station orbiting one of the moons then? I am sure I can find examples where this has been done before. Or one of the moons could have a station constructed right into into.
Caviar Liberta Moira. Villore Accords 748	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:12:15 - [49] - Quote Avio Yaken wrote: Alex Daddario wrote: Kale Silence wrote: Either you talk dumb or your translator is broken. You must be a Caldari citizen :) Yes the Sebiestor is obviously a Caldari citizen Its possible to be a citizen and be born else where you know.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4132	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:59:13 - [50] - Quote Caviar Liberta wrote: Avio Yaken wrote: Alex Daddario wrote: Kale Silence wrote: Either you talk dumb or your translator is broken. You must be a Caldari citizen :) Yes the Sebiestor is obviously a Caldari citizen Its possible to be a citizen and be born else where you know. Can we pause for a moment to savour the fact that the FDU pilot clearly knows the nature of the State better than everyone else in that exchange? "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Iliyan Vertai 186	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:37:51 - [51] - Quote Except that you cannot be a full citizen if you are born outside of the State. Only a resident.
Jvpiter Jovelike 71	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:45:04 - [52] - Quote I would find it amazing if not a single Minmatar was born within The State in it's entire history. It would be the most amazing feat of genism in all history. No racial segregation is that perfect. End of story.
Iliyan Vertai 187	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:47:57 - [53] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: I would find it amazing if not a single Minmatar was born within The State in it's entire history. It would be the most amazing feat of genism in all history. No racial segregation is that perfect. End of story. I was responding to the comment about citizens being born out of the State, not Minmatar being born in the State. Reading comprehension is your friend.
Jvpiter Jovelike 71	Posted - 2014.11.13 16:55:34 - [54] - Quote Iliyan Vertai wrote: I was responding to the comment about citizens being born out of the State, not Minmatar being born in the State. Reading comprehension is your friend. Did I dispute anything you said? My response is to the same conversational chain. I can educate you in the finer details of logic and semantics if you'd like, Deteis.
Iliyan Vertai 231	Posted - 2014.11.13 17:06:03 - [55] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: Iliyan Vertai wrote: I was responding to the comment about citizens being born out of the State, not Minmatar being born in the State. Reading comprehension is your friend. Did I dispute anything you said? My response is to the same conversational chain. I can educate you in the finer details of logic and semantics if you'd like, Deteis. You know what? Sure, go for it.
Utremi Fasolasi La Dolce Vita 431	Posted - 2014.11.13 18:26:49 - [56] - Quote Alex Daddario wrote: As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? Those vermin living on Caldari Prime have a multitude of station orbiting them, which, I have no problem with. However, I would like some on Gallente Prime. We own the system, we certainly own the planet, so why no stations to park my clone contract at, or to chill on my off days. Just something I would like to know/ get a station built xD Racism has no place in the Federation. We welcome all with open arms, and.. cough.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1413	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:40:43 - [57] - Quote Utremi Fasolasi wrote: Alex Daddario wrote: As a Gallente citizen and ex resident of Gallente Prime, I would like to know why there are no stations on my home planet? Those vermin living on Caldari Prime have a multitude of station orbiting them, which, I have no problem with. However, I would like some on Gallente Prime. We own the system, we certainly own the planet, so why no stations to park my clone contract at, or to chill on my off days. Just something I would like to know/ get a station built xD Racism has no place in the Federation. We welcome all with open arms, and.. cough. Tell it to Caldari on Caldari Prime, that were attacked because they were Caldari right before the war has started (actually, it was the main reason to attack the Federation and liberate our planet from gallente occupants). Haven't you watched news for that period of time, when gallenteans were defacing Caldari monuments with losungs "EXTERMINATE ALL CALDARI"?!... Was it this thing, that gallente cops were telling, while beating Caldari, who were protesting against gallente racism?!... "No place in Federation?!"... Kiss my nya!
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4141	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:08:34 - [58] - Quote I will agree that it's hard for a Caldari born outside the State (and by outside, I obviously don't mean on a Corporate Station outside our territory, but born as a citizen of another nation) and even harder for a non-Caldari to become a citizen but it is possible with very hard work. It involves a lot of study to learn our ways - both the obvious and overt and the subtle and unofficial. It involves a lot of effort to change the way you live your life and embrace State culture and harmony. You have to rededicate yourself to the State and it's goals and place them ahead of your own - like we do. A lot of people are psychologically and constitutionally incapable - and we bear those people no ill-will, but they can never become one of us. But for those who can reinvent themselves and rededicate their families to the Way, it is possible. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Iliyan Vertai 434	Posted - 2014.11.14 22:36:40 - [59] - Quote I'm afraid you are confusing full citizenship and official residency. To be clear on the matter, I shall quote a textbook that details the situation: "Due to the socially demanding nature of Caldari culture and the various bureaucratic hurdles involved, the State has the lowest rate of immigration among all the empires. Additionally, full citizenship and its myriad benefits can never be granted to anyone born elsewhere." ((EVE Source, page 114))
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4145	Posted - 2014.11.15 02:42:38 - [60] - Quote Iliyan Vertai wrote: I'm afraid you are confusing full citizenship and official residency. To be clear on the matter, I shall quote a textbook that details the situation: "Due to the socially demanding nature of Caldari culture and the various bureaucratic hurdles involved, the State has the lowest rate of immigration among all the empires. Additionally, full citizenship and its myriad benefits can never be granted to anyone born elsewhere." ((EVE Source, page 114)) I think your textbook underestimates the effects of large buckets of isk. Corporations have been known to award citizenships to capsuleers. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Jace Sarice The Vendunari End of Life 19982	Posted - 2014.11.15 03:23:26 - [61] - Quote Regardless of the technicalities, the important part of this topic is the cultural weight that goes along with being Caldari. Whether someone is a full citizen, an honorary citizen, or an immigrant resident - there are expectations if you are going to live in the State outside of the hubs like Jita.
Jvpiter Jovelike 101	Posted - 2014.11.15 04:12:40 - [62] - Quote And there is no means to enforce these expectations and standards, short of monitoring a person around the clock and recording and analyzing their every thought. Diversity and rebellion will find a home in any culture, and isn't absent even in seemingly most culturally homogenous areas of The State. Even within Rome there were those who fancied themselves as Greek.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4145	Posted - 2014.11.15 06:18:47 - [63] - Quote You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 65	Posted - 2014.11.15 07:42:39 - [64] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: And there is no means to enforce these expectations and standards, short of monitoring a person around the clock and recording and analyzing their every thought. Diversity and rebellion will find a home in any culture, and isn't absent even in seemingly most culturally homogenous areas of The State. Even within Rome there were those who fancied themselves as Greek. Where is Rome, and what is a Greek?
Jvpiter Jovelike 103	Posted - 2014.11.15 13:26:18 - [65] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. Indeed. The strongest sense of cultural solidarity comes out of community and institutions like education and public service. In spite of a strong cultural bond amongst members of a population, there are those who would be exceptions and will reject the culture partially or outright. You cannot enforce a culture, period. Perhaps most will conform, but people are too diverse.
Jvpiter Jovelike 103	Posted - 2014.11.15 13:32:10 - [66] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Where is Rome, and what is a Greek? New Eden, such as it is named, is not the first Eden. Or else, why would it be "new"? From what little I understand, the cultures I mention are nonexistent here, but the dichotomy between them should be a very familiar theme based on what we observe in this corner of the universe.
Caellach Marellus Stormcrows 1552	Posted - 2014.11.15 13:39:11 - [67] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. The Amarrian Theocracy would go against that notion, it's very much a trickle down of power and influence from a single revered figure. The few keep the majority in line using the sway of religion, it's sustained through the masses by illusion and fear, but it's constant pressure from their superiors that revitalise the hold such rhetoric has. When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 78	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:43:36 - [68] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. The Amarrian Theocracy would go against that notion, it's very much a trickle down of power and influence from a single revered figure. The few keep the majority in line using the sway of religion, it's sustained through the masses by illusion and fear, but it's constant pressure from their superiors that revitalise the hold such rhetoric has. Except the culture doesn't stem from the Empress, it stems from the Theology which requires the tacit approval/belief of the people before it can work it's way up. A figurehead isn't the font of the culture it exists because of it.
Saiden Dia The Vendunari End of Life 959	Posted - 2014.11.15 20:45:52 - [69] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. The Amarrian Theocracy would go against that notion, it's very much a trickle down of power and influence from a single revered figure. The few keep the majority in line using the sway of religion, it's sustained through the masses by illusion and fear, but it's constant pressure from their superiors that revitalise the hold such rhetoric has. When you say that it is "sustained through the masses" you are essentially agreeing with the notion that it is enforced from the bottom up. It is not created that way, orchestrated that way, but it is certainly enforced that way.
Jvpiter Jovelike 108	Posted - 2014.11.15 23:16:38 - [70] - Quote Dynamic, living systems are not just one-dimensional caricatures. Any theocracy has both bottom-up enforcement, because belief permeates the culture and people perpetuate and strengthen these beliefs, and top-down enforcement through some form of totalitarian or authoritarian governing body that will quash dissent and silence rebellion. Amarrian theology is not simply cultural, which would account for bottom-up conformance. Religion prescribes how the the Imperial State itself will operate, affecting top-down conformance in a bureaucratic and military sense.
Caellach Marellus Stormcrows 1553	Posted - 2014.11.15 23:16:59 - [71] - Quote Saiden Dia wrote: Caellach Marellus wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. The Amarrian Theocracy would go against that notion, it's very much a trickle down of power and influence from a single revered figure. The few keep the majority in line using the sway of religion, it's sustained through the masses by illusion and fear, but it's constant pressure from their superiors that revitalise the hold such rhetoric has. When you say that it is "sustained through the masses" you are essentially agreeing with the notion that it is enforced from the bottom up. It is not created that way, orchestrated that way, but it is certainly enforced that way. No, sustained, not enforced. There's a difference. If they don't have the dogma coming down from above, there's nothing there. The illusion and fear that sustains the masses comes from that dogma. It's trickle down, but when it hits base level, so long as it's constantly fed in, it self sustains. Remove the source and the whole system collapses, the bottom level however is too big to fail. When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 79	Posted - 2014.11.16 00:26:33 - [72] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: Dynamic, living systems are not just one-dimensional caricatures. Any theocracy has both bottom-up enforcement, because belief permeates the culture and people perpetuate and strengthen these beliefs, and top-down enforcement through some form of totalitarian or authoritarian governing body that will quash dissent and silence rebellion. Amarrian theology is not simply cultural, which would account for bottom-up conformance. Religion prescribes how the the Imperial State itself will operate, affecting top-down conformance in a bureaucratic and military sense. Calling a top-down or bottom-up system a "one dimensional Charicature" is straw man at the best of times. These systems are incredibly complex and adapting models that are defined by their source. That being said a Theocracy is inherently bottom-up as all power stems from the beliefs of the people. One only needs to ask a simple question to understand where the Theocracy draws is power. "Would the Amarr empire continue to function if the population of the empire woke up tomorrow and no longer held their religious beliefs? " The answer is obviously no. The legitimacy of the government and leadership would immediately collapse if people no longer believed in the divine right of the Empress and the Amarr in government. Top-down systems of government do not require this kind of tacit approval and are usually dictatorial in nature. This is usually indicative of police-states and the like, that can actively enforce a stable sovereignty with or without the approval of those whom they rule.
Jvpiter Jovelike 273	Posted - 2014.11.16 02:52:10 - [73] - Quote Vizage, I find your assessment to be fair. Excellent point.
Vizage Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus. 81	Posted - 2014.11.16 02:55:23 - [74] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: Vizage, I find your assessment to be fair. Excellent point. By the Maker, you just earned so much respect from me. This place needs more people like you. Sincerely -K
Kale Silence Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking 73	Posted - 2014.11.19 20:11:24 - [75] - Quote Quote: Series of Comments regarding citizens of the State and whatever. Wow. All this fuss over little ol' me? Boys! Calm down and make a line! I prefer to be asked in person. Also, I'm not Caldari. Just sayin'. "Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care." - Anonymous
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 78	Posted - 2014.11.19 22:43:00 - [76] - Quote Kale Silence wrote: Quote: Series of Comments regarding citizens of the State and whatever. Wow. All this fuss over little ol' me? Boys! Calm down and make a line! I prefer to be asked in person. Also, I'm not Caldari. Just sayin'. Who are you and why do we care if you're Caldari or not?
Utremi Fasolasi La Dolce Vita 437	Posted - 2014.11.20 04:20:10 - [77] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. I'm no enforcer of Caldari culture but I've done my share of embracing it occasionally from the bottom up, if you get my drift. And occasionally top down too, us Gallente are versatile. Roleplaying for someone with a kink for Caldari protocol can be a bit mentally exhausting though..
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 211	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:50:52 - [78] - Quote Utremi Fasolasi wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. I'm no enforcer of Caldari culture but I've done my share of embracing it occasionally from the bottom up, if you get my drift. And occasionally top down too, us Gallente are versatile. Roleplaying for someone with a kink for Caldari protocol can be a bit mentally exhausting though.. Lots and lots of paperwork. And also a queue number. And a number of lawyers. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 80	Posted - 2014.11.20 05:54:29 - [79] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Utremi Fasolasi wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. I'm no enforcer of Caldari culture but I've done my share of embracing it occasionally from the bottom up, if you get my drift. And occasionally top down too, us Gallente are versatile. Roleplaying for someone with a kink for Caldari protocol can be a bit mentally exhausting though.. Lots and lots of paperwork. And also a queue number. And a number of lawyers. and done in an emotionless, overly formal, manner.
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4186	Posted - 2014.11.20 06:58:06 - [80] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Utremi Fasolasi wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You don't enforce a culture from the top down, Jvpiter. You enforce it from the bottom up - everyone knows that. I'm no enforcer of Caldari culture but I've done my share of embracing it occasionally from the bottom up, if you get my drift. And occasionally top down too, us Gallente are versatile. Roleplaying for someone with a kink for Caldari protocol can be a bit mentally exhausting though.. Lots and lots of paperwork. And also a queue number. And a number of lawyers. and done in an emotionless, overly formal, manner. You need to go watch "know your Caldari - an FDU primer" as it seems you have no idea. The Deteis do a reasonable job of pretending to be emotionless but us Civire don't even try. You know, speaking as an actual enforcer of Caldari culture and all. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1426	Posted - 2014.11.20 11:41:31 - [81] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You know, speaking as an actual enforcer of Caldari culture and all, I like to think I penetrated a fair selection of "targets" in Gallente space. This is great, Tuulinen-haan!! I have penetrated a selection of targets in Gallente space as well. We definitely should do it together someday!
Wendrika Hydreiga Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 110	Posted - 2014.11.20 16:07:32 - [82] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: This is great, Tuulinen-haan!! I have penetrated a selection of targets in Gallente space as well. We definitely should do it together someday! Miss Kim! How could you? Wanting to penetrate Gallentean armor with bullets, with or without Mister Tuulinen, is wrong and terrible! You should just burninate them with explosions so that only space dust remains! Why? Because the Federation must be destroyed! Also, I'm well aware of what Mister Tuulinen actually meant, and that's equally terrible! He just lost 0.2 standing with me because of that!
Kale Silence Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking 73	Posted - 2014.11.20 18:56:39 - [83] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You know, speaking as an actual enforcer of Caldari culture and all, I like to think I penetrated a fair selection of "targets" in Gallente space. Oh you naughty boy! "Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care." - Anonymous
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4190	Posted - 2014.11.21 06:10:21 - [84] - Quote Kale Silence wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You know, speaking as an actual enforcer of Caldari culture and all, I like to think I penetrated a fair selection of "targets" in Gallente space. Oh you naughty boy! Aww, I'm sorry. Was it only funny when the Gallentean said it? "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 213	Posted - 2014.11.21 07:10:56 - [85] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Kale Silence wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: You know, speaking as an actual enforcer of Caldari culture and all, I like to think I penetrated a fair selection of "targets" in Gallente space. Oh you naughty boy! Aww, I'm sorry. Was it only funny when the Gallentean said it? Actually, it's alot less funny when the Gallentean said it. Mostly because we already expected it. Humour has to subvert expectations. Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
Darsena Izuma Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno 15	Posted - 2014.12.08 17:30:23 - [86] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Haven't you watched news for that period of time, when gallenteans were defacing Caldari monuments with losungs "EXTERMINATE ALL CALDARI"?!... Normal person response to seeing one group preach the extermination of another: "It is wrong for one group to preach the extermination of another group. I should refrain from/condemn this." Kim response: "It is wrong for one group to preach the extermination of another. THUS, I WILL EXTERMINATE EVERYONE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM!" Fedo are not what they seem to be.-á Welcome to Night Vale.

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