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Zappity
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:07:54 -
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I think there need to be more stations if there are bubbles. Four will just be camped.
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Posted - 2014.11.15 19:21:16 -
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Yep, can't see this becoming a major market hub. Bubbles and only four stations will limit that pretty severely.
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Posted - 2014.11.27 03:55:13 -
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I had a look at Thera on Singularity. It is hard to see how this will turn into another Jita. Sure, the stations will be stocked but the prices will be atrocious. The connections are:
Q063
This wormhole seems to lead into high security space.
Up to medium sized ships can pass through this wormhole.
V898
This wormhole seems to lead into low security space.
Larger ships can pass through this wormhole.
E587
This wormhole seems to lead into null security space.
Very large ships can pass through this wormhole.
Only the null E587 allows freighters through. This means that if you want to properly stock Thera with hulls you have three options:
- Fly or jump your freighter to the null entry and come in through there.
- Import hulls in a smaller industrial one at a time (for cruisers) or just fly them in manually.
- Build them in Thera (which just removes the problem one level for material importation unless you are crazy enough to try and mine in this system).
This is disappointing. I was looking forward to the challenge of stocking this system but I think the risk is too high. I donGÇÖt understand why freighters would be excluded from low and highsec connections.
Does CCP think that the risk for freighters would be too low? It will be enormous regardless of where you jump in from. At least open up the lowsec connection please.
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Posted - 2014.12.10 09:27:07 -
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Thera is great. I have my characters installed in the system now. My experience with the forecast "lock down" consisted on a Vexor Navy and a Crow on an entry half a dozen jumps from Amarr. No trouble at all.
Lots of ships on the undocks but I didn't see a single bubble in system today.
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Posted - 2014.12.10 11:24:06 -
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Yes, I think it will be fine. Certainly won't reach anywhere like Jita scale but it doesn't need to.
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Posted - 2015.03.27 05:33:12 -
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I think CCP should allow freighters through Thera's highsec and lowsec statics. An alternative (and my preference because it would help industry at the same time) would be to give the system a unique reprocessing buff.
I tried stocking the Thera market with T1, T2 and faction hulls of all sizes along with modules and consumables. I gave up. The turnover and profit was less than my lowsec stations, even with the same margin of approximately Jita + 10%.
Does anyone disagree that the Thera market has utterly failed to live up to Fozzie's stated goal that Thera should become a 'Jita without CONCORD'? Thera is a unique system that offers unique PvP challenges to older players. This concept could, and should, be extended to the market. Jita trading is profitable but, frankly, routine and boring. I want something more.
So why has the Thera market not boomed? I think it is because of a) the PvP style and, b) the fact that there are so many statics.
First, the PvP style is small gang as opposed to large fleet with rigid doctrines. These sort of players are typically more flexible and better able (and willing) to supply their own needs. This, combined with the fact that there are so many useful statics to highsec and lowsec, means that restocking is rarely a problem. A DST through a lowsec connection will bring in half a dozen cruiser hulls, a dozen destroyers or two dozen frigates, along with a big pile of consumables. One such run is adequate to supply a good small gang pilot for quite a while.
This means that pilots are easily able to avoid the elevated charges that are currently associated with the Thera market. So should the number of exits be reduced? Of course not. This would defeat the purpose of Thera. I would, instead, like to see the mass limits on the lowsec and highsec connections increased to allow freighters through.
I doubt this would greatly change the Thera meta. Perhaps it would have back when Thera was opened up but the novelty of the system has now worn off and the meta is now firmly established.
What alternatives to a DST through a lowsec entry exist now? First, I could use a jump freighter to get stock to nullsec and then through an E587. No thanks. The risk/reward isn't even close to worth it. Let's say I were to fill the jump freighter with cruiser hulls, averaging 50m each, and charge a 10% margin. That is ~165m profit per load. This might sound like a lot but, considering the risk involved in getting the freighter to null and then into a Thera station, it isn't remotely close to being attractive. Especially given the margins and throughput that can be attained with far less risk.
What is the second alternative? Manufacturing in Thera. This is entirely reasonable due to compression mechanics. It is possible to bring in enough compressed ore to build an awful lot of ships. However, even having the highest possible standing with The Sanctuary does not approach the best nullsec reprocessing rates. And this is in the face of a ship market which quite often operates below cost.
Therefore, my wish is for the highsec and lowsec exits to be enlarged to allow freighters to fit through. Alternatively, the stations in Thera could be given a uniquely high reprocessing rate to make the DST -> hull route attractive.
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Posted - 2015.03.27 09:17:54 -
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Oh, and get rid of the bubbles too.
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:36:27 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Zappity wrote:Oh, and get rid of the bubbles too. Which ones? The ones that last two minutes or the ones made by the ships that make attractive targets? Both are very easy to work around.
All of them. What, there's not enough risk without them? Seriously?
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Posted - 2015.03.27 10:38:58 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:There's something wrong with the market in Thera?
Oh, and freighters can use the lowsec holes now.
Yeah, the market is rubbish.
I must have missed the lowsec change. When did that happen? Not that a freighter through lowsec is particularly attractive from any perspective anyway. It should be opened up to high as well. There is enough risk within Thera that I don't understand why there needs to be added risk outside it as well.
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Posted - 2015.03.27 21:32:01 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Eh, it works for me. I don't operate at a high trade volume and don't care how long something takes to sell.
'high trade volume' and 'takes ages to sell' are pretty much mutually exclusive. Do you mean you have a lot of items up for sale?
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