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Colonel O'Neill
Caldari
Isotope Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:48:00 -
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...I'm going afk for a month. This is complete bull ****. I've logged in a dozen times this afternoon trying to get through a camped gate. I KNOW the system on the other side doesnt have more than 15 people in it. Sure no on cares what I think, I just had to vent, I won't be replying to this thread. kthxbye.
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Crunch Hardiron
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:49:00 -
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Edited by: Crunch Hardiron on 27/08/2006 18:49:39
Can I borrow your stuff?
Damn you.
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Tyleritus
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:49:00 -
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can i have your stuff?
Its not goin to be fixed its a new feature i beleive to help load balance.
Adeptus Gattacus Recruitment Thread |
F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.28 03:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Tyleritus
Its not goin to be fixed its a new feature i beleive to help load balance.
Just because it's a new feature doesn't mean it isn't broken and in need of some fixing.
Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.28 04:07:00 -
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Its a retarded "feature" let in by crap QA.
Hey we're at war "sorry you can't jump for 5 minutes" even though the next system only has *wait for it* TWO PILOTS in it.
If theres been dumber things dreamt up in the EvE universe I have yet to see them.
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2006.08.28 04:11:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 28/08/2006 04:12:54
They could leave it in if needed, as it might be needed in the future.
But, once you activate the gate, the following should happen:
1. Camera set the gate.
1. Velocity zero'ed out.
2. Cloaked, Non-Solid/Non-Collidable, Invulnerable.
Zeroing out the velocity is a no brainer, several times I have slammed a gate at 7KM/s, and jumped, and bounces over 20KM from it while ramming other players away from the gate when the ship is going invisible.
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Julia Reave
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Posted - 2006.08.28 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Colonel O'Neill
...I'm going afk for a month. This is complete bull ****. I've logged in a dozen times this afternoon trying to get through a camped gate. I KNOW the system on the other side doesnt have more than 15 people in it. Sure no on cares what I think, I just had to vent, I won't be replying to this thread. kthxbye.
Well, my next payment is due soon...if queues are not removed by then I can see myself not wanting to pay for this anymore...
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.08.28 05:56:00 -
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I have already canceled my accounts and put a long skill training .. but once this b$ is fixed, I will reactive my account and continue skill training (I actually don't know this queue problem, but being general forum troll, I figured that I also need to cancel account to support people  )
And my stuff goes to my pirate alt 
Unnerf Amarr!
"Just because you can utterly ruin another player's game doesn't mean that you must."
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Valkazm
Amarr
Cursed Spawn
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.08.28 06:12:00 -
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well i wish they would add elevator music to the jukebox for long queues in Kali
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.28 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
But, once you activate the gate, the following should happen:
1. Camera set the gate.
1. Velocity zero'ed out.
2. Cloaked, Non-Solid/Non-Collidable, Invulnerable.
Exactly.
--------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Gariuys
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.28 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari
Originally by: voogru
But, once you activate the gate, the following should happen:
1. Camera set the gate.
1. Velocity zero'ed out.
2. Cloaked, Non-Solid/Non-Collidable, Invulnerable.
Exactly.
Doesn't fix the problem of having your fleet/group split up though. It's just a plain freakishly broken mechanic. And count me among the not playing till removed again peeps.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2006.08.28 08:14:00 -
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I'm the same, I resubbed a few days ago but after this weekend I'm seriously starting to wonder why I bothered.
WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
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Heritor
Caldari
Polytope
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Posted - 2006.08.28 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
I'm the same, I resubbed a few days ago but after this weekend I'm seriously starting to wonder why I bothered.
I'm confused do you not PvP.......this must be great for all PvP'ers. Its a PvP game right.
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Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.08.28 08:39:00 -
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It's temporary and not intended, as stated by kieron - otherwise I would probably have cancelled my accounts aswell, and this is the first time I have actually considered doing so.
For now, I'll just stick to skill changing.
If it doesn't get fixed... well... 
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Asnar
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.28 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Heritor
Originally by: Wild Rho
I'm the same, I resubbed a few days ago but after this weekend I'm seriously starting to wonder why I bothered.
I'm confused do you not PvP.......this must be great for all PvP'ers. Its a PvP game right.
This is great for PvP'ers? Are you kidding or just plain ignorant? It's horrible for PvP'ers, it's great for gate snipers and defending fleets, and that's about it. Oh yeah and it's horrible for log on tactics which is just about the only good thing about it.
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Nerf Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.28 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Scorpyn
It's temporary and not intended, as stated by kieron - otherwise I would probably have cancelled my accounts aswell, and this is the first time I have actually considered doing so.
For now, I'll just stick to skill changing.
If it doesn't get fixed... well...
Yes. Or so they tell us.
And I pray to God that it will be gone on tuesday.
This makes the game completely unplayable, IMHO. The thing that scares me the most is the COMPLETE AND TOTAL lack of an official response. It hasn't even been put in known issues, ffs. And when Eris said that the queues weren't implimented correctly...
I think that this was an attempt to see how such a feature would go over on TQ, that will hopefully be gone soon.
Either that, or EvE will join the ranks of SWG.
IBTL!
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Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.28 09:08:00 -
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I feel your pain, last night i got trapped on a gate due to the que with a hostile chasing me....
wanna know the best part ?
i was the only 1 in system, i was #1 in que and best of all the system i was jumping into had no people in it and it was not listed as having trafic advisories, needless to say i got camped in system for a good hour because of this.
Its a sad day when one cannot trust the game mechanics in place to work correctly.....
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Shealinda L
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Posted - 2006.08.28 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Heritor
Originally by: Wild Rho
I'm the same, I resubbed a few days ago but after this weekend I'm seriously starting to wonder why I bothered.
I'm confused do you not PvP.......this must be great for all PvP'ers. Its a PvP game right.
It completely ruins many aspects of the pvp. Firstly, you can't go on a system you don't know, or you have to be prepared to fight in EVERY freakin situation. If you get in the system and there are people waiting at the gates, you can't get out. You just can't. Am i supposed to log out or what?
I can also think many different situations where this thing sucks big time. For example you get podded in your so called homesystem which doesn't have medical. You loose your clone. Even if the ones podded you would stay in the system, there is no way you could get back to the fight. Good old times with your instas you could jump relatively safe out the system to upgrade your clone and come back. Now you can't do it before you know it is perfectly safe to go to WAIT at the gate.
It is quite the same in systems without stations and you just get shot down. You are sitting in a pod, probably at safespot and you can't do anything as long as there is someone unknown in the system. SUCKS. Big time.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.28 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shealinda L
For example you get podded in your so called homesystem which doesn't have medical.
Given that the ABSOLUTE first thing you need to do when you get podded, is upgrade your basic clone - who could possibly be so stupid as to do this anyway?
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Infinity Ziona
Apostasia
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Posted - 2006.08.28 09:24:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 28/08/2006 09:25:17
Originally by: voogru
Edited by: voogru on 28/08/2006 04:12:54
They could leave it in if needed, as it might be needed in the future.
But, once you activate the gate, the following should happen:
1. Camera set the gate.
1. Velocity zero'ed out.
2. Cloaked, Non-Solid/Non-Collidable, Invulnerable.
Zeroing out the velocity is a no brainer, several times I have slammed a gate at 7KM/s, and jumped, and bounces over 20KM from it while ramming other players away from the gate when the ship is going invisible.
Err why?
1. Fine.
2. Velocity is only a problem because your using instas. If you used the proper mechanics you wouldnt hit the gate at all.
3. If your cloaked and invulnerable then how do you people PvP with you?? This is not a PvE only game unless you stay in high sec. If you go to low sec then its a PvP game and you dont need to be cloaked, invulnerable, non collidable.
This is probably the funniest thing I have seen for a long time in EvE. So many alliance people here whining they cant play because its 'too dangerous' or 'cant get into my gank group' or 'have to be prepared to fight at any time'.
Big LOL. You should all lose your alliance status and be confined to Jita for 6 months as punishment.
Oh yeah and 'I'm quitting CCP!' hehehe
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Shealinda L
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Posted - 2006.08.28 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Shealinda L
For example you get podded in your so called homesystem which doesn't have medical.
Given that the ABSOLUTE first thing you need to do when you get podded, is upgrade your basic clone - who could possibly be so stupid as to do this anyway?
As to base the clone in a system that doesn't have medical? Well, you used to be able to get out of the system without any pain. There are some reasons for having the clone to stay at the system you'd probably be when gettin podded. Can't you figure out any?
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Infinity Ziona
Apostasia
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Posted - 2006.08.28 09:32:00 -
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None worth losing 500K skillpoints for 
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.28 09:33:00 -
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Infinity Ziona, I think you missunderstood the thred. The point is that when you activate a gate, you do not necessarily jump through due to factors outside your control. Strictly speaking, a jump-queue is a product of CCP's servers CPU management and any losses occured because of the jump-queues is actually reimbursable if you read their own reimbursement policies. They're probably not going to reimburse you, though since it's a game mechanic that enforces it rather than faulty server performance.
In either case, what was asked for is that once you activate gate and are allowed to jump through, you'll be in the queue and be invulnerable and invisible. This adress one of the problems, which is that a game mechanic robbing you of your one and only way of escape - which is a valid PvP tactic, even if you don't agree with it's honour value.
In either case, as has been said, it still does not adress the true problem - fleets get spread out to the point where jumping in to a fleet is suicide even if the jumping-in party is a larger fleet setup to take on the camping fleet.
Dark skies torn apart
Heavens open before me
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Ydyp Ieva
Caldari
Romarrian Empire
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.28 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 28/08/2006 09:25:17
Originally by: voogru
Edited by: voogru on 28/08/2006 04:12:54
They could leave it in if needed, as it might be needed in the future.
But, once you activate the gate, the following should happen:
1. Camera set the gate.
2. Velocity zero'ed out.
3. Cloaked, Non-Solid/Non-Collidable, Invulnerable.
Zeroing out the velocity is a no brainer, several times I have slammed a gate at 7KM/s, and jumped, and bounces over 20KM from it while ramming other players away from the gate when the ship is going invisible.
Err why?
1. Fine.
2. Velocity is only a problem because your using instas. If you used the proper mechanics you wouldnt hit the gate at all.
3. If your cloaked and invulnerable then how do you people PvP with you?? This is not a PvE only game unless you stay in high sec. If you go to low sec then its a PvP game and you dont need to be cloaked, invulnerable, non collidable.
This is probably the funniest thing I have seen for a long time in EvE. So many alliance people here whining they cant play because its 'too dangerous' or 'cant get into my gank group' or 'have to be prepared to fight at any time'.
Big LOL. You should all lose your alliance status and be confined to Jita for 6 months as punishment.
Oh yeah and 'I'm quitting CCP!' hehehe
well how I see it:
1: not sure what the use it is
2: well if I use instas I never bump a gate, I only bump the gates when I need to approach it. Try it with a MWD inty that has 3000m/s, you will see you will bump the gate even before the cloaking effect goes off. But for the moment I don't have any problems realy with it.
3: in previous situation once you hitted the jump, your ship goes invul and cloaked. Then due to lag it could take a couple of minutes to load up on the other side of the gate. With queues in place you don't get the invulnerability anymore once you press the jump. Meaning when someone is gatecamping you can't get through with using instas when the gate has queues.
Well instas are nerfed now, but what if you don't use instas and make a run to the gate and you are almost in your pod when you see the jump button activate and thinks. YES made it, then you see the message: sorry, you are x in queue and have to wait. I have to say it would suck big times. This can be solved with above thing, once you hit the jump button you go invulnerable like before. You are just sitting there cloaked, and if you decide to leave the queue you can try to get out of the gate by warping, just like if you jumped into the system.
And another aspect of the game are indeed fleetbattles wich are already hard due to lag, and now an enemy fleet can only get in 1 a time, nice picking off on the other side of the gate. The queue for logging in isn't that bad sinse your ship isn't physical there yet, but at gates your ship is there and you can loose it.
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Khajit Smitty
Minmatar
MisFunk Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.28 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
This is probably the funniest thing I have seen for a long time in EvE. So many alliance people here whining they cant play because its 'too dangerous' or 'cant get into my gank group' or 'have to be prepared to fight at any time'.
Big LOL. You should all lose your alliance status and be confined to Jita for 6 months as punishment.
2nd time ive quoted you in 2 seperate threads about the same topic, lol.
Fighting in 0.0 is tactical, using gates and moving around is something that a gang/individual/fleet needs to do in order to pvp, not only that 0.0 is NOT only filled up with fighters, it has traders,miners,builders and often corps/alliances do escorts of valuable goods etc where they would rather run than fight an overwhelming force (thats tactical to me,plain stupid to stay and fight), not only that i have seen hit and run gangs attempt to split larger gangs up via jumping in and out of system which is a valid pvp tactic and now that gates arnt dependable that tactic is useless....
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Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.08.28 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
This is probably the funniest thing I have seen for a long time in EvE. So many alliance people here whining they cant play because its 'too dangerous' or 'cant get into my gank group' or 'have to be prepared to fight at any time'.
Alliance people aren't whining because it's dangerous. They aren't whining because they have to be prepaired to fight. Alliance people are whining because it's possible to lock down a system completely, with no way of being able to attack them - and even if they don't lock it down completely, any attacker will be forced to jump in with smaller groups, only to get slaughtered 1 by 1.
Do you honestly consider that to be a good thing? You have a fleet with the ability to take on the enemy, but all you can do is to sit in the next system and wait for them to destroy all your pos:es and take over the system.
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.08.28 10:10:00 -
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Mommy Mommy
I want it NOW !
seriously dude, grow up and learn to be patient.
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schurem
Anarchy Inc.
Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.08.28 10:10:00 -
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and its not just you 0.0 alliance players who suffer. I live in low sec empire as a mission runner making a zillion isk, but this queing thing is making it far too easy on the prats. Only skill changes for me until it gets sorted. this sh!t sucks bigtime 
this is the first time im truly p!ssed off at CCP for how they administer their game.
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Asnar
Evil Strangers Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.28 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Shankly
Mommy Mommy
I want it NOW !
seriously dude, grow up and learn to be patient.
I'm normally one of the most patient peeps out there, and a strong supporter of CCP... but this is really too much. It's a mechanic that's so horribly broken it's not even funnny.
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Leandro Salazar
Aeon Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.28 10:20:00 -
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This affects empire people just as much as alliance folks when they are in a war. Also not exactly helpful for lowsec mission runners. So while I do somewhat enjoy seeing the self-proclaimed 'EVE-Elite' PvPers squirm over this, and even though I never experienced any queuing yet myself (/me knocks on wood) despite having alts living in Jita and passing thru there multiple times per day, this thing does need to go. And fast.
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