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Hardiss
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.15 01:39:21 -
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Yesterday I jumped from a 0.3 system to a 0.4, after jumping through I started warping. While aligning, I was marked as a criminal and forbidden to warp or jump. Then the campers showed up and attacked me together with sentry guns. I didn't loot, target, nor fire, and the only operation was to warp to my mission deadspace. It is actually the second time! Could anyone explain the trick? Many Thanks! Background: 1. I have positive security standing. 2. I am in a rookie corp, not in war with anyone. 3. No one has kill right on me since I did not attack players nor players' belongs. 4. I had not already been marked as a criminal before I jumped. |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.15 01:49:23 -
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Hardiss wrote:Yesterday I jumped from a 0.3 system to a 0.4, after jumping through I started warping. While aligning, I was marked as a criminal and forbidden to warp or jump. Then the campers showed up and attacked me together with sentry guns. I didn't loot, target, nor fire, and the only operation was to warp to my mission deadspace. It is actually the second time! Could anyone explain the trick? Many Thanks! Background: 1. I have positive security standing. 2. I am in a rookie corp, not in war with anyone. 3. No one has kill right on me since I did not attack players nor players' belongs. 4. I had not already been marked as a criminal before I jumped.
You ran into a gatecamp. They prevented you from warping using a warp disruptor. More details can be found from, https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Warp_Disruptor_I . In a .4 or lower security standing a pilot is allowed to shoot you freely. Also I would highly suggest not flying a battleship solo into low sec without a scout. I saw your loss mail. |
Nightingale Actault
Big Richard Club
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Posted - 2014.11.15 01:53:45 -
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Being Criminal flagged would not prevent you from warping. If you received notification you could not jump, that means you were not trying to align and warp but instead jump back through the gate.
As to what happened, I would presume you simply jumped into a gatecamp and got warp scrambled / warp disrupted preventing you from warping. Nothing to do with you being flagged criminal, though likely your attackers were.
Secondly, you'll always want to use the same ammo in all your guns. Missioning in Low-Sec can be dangerous, don't fly what you can't afford to lose. |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
72
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Posted - 2014.11.15 01:59:41 -
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Well I would link the killmail however considering this is not C&P no go. From your loss mail you did not get hit a single time from a sentry gun. It looks like character Mighty Migal suicide tackled you while a gila and mach just simply killed you. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
6525
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:10:54 -
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*looks up killboard* *sees a PvE fit Apocalypse in low-sec* *facepalms*
1a. Doesn't matter. You were in low-sec. 2a. Doesn't matter. You were in low-sec. 3a. No one gets a killright on you. You did nothing wrong (except fly into low-sec in a battleship). Instead, you get a killright on them. 4a. Doesn't matter. You were in low-sec.
So what actually happened? Near as I can tell...
The message you got was a universal broadcast announcing to everyone in system that someone did something bad. In this case, it was activated by the people attacking you (with guns and warp disruption equipment... the latter of which explains why you could not warp away).
You were not attacked by sentry guns... you were seeing weapons fire coming from the player battleship that was attacking you... along with the faction cruiser and something else (that WAS killed by the sentry guns).
Finally... you were in low-sec (0.4 to 0.1 space). Anyone can attack anyone else there without CONCORD involvement. Sentry guns do exist... but only provide some protection against Frigates. Anything bigger than a Destroyer can tank them.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:16:52 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:*looks up killboard* *sees a PvE fit Apocalypse in low-sec* *facepalms*
You do realize this is a new guy right? Give him a bit of a break. Even though I wish you came to my low sec area of space. Sigh. Maybe we should explain what low sec, null sec, and high sec means? Some documentation is found from,
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/System_security |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
6526
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:34:17 -
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Eldwinn wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:*looks up killboard* *sees a PvE fit Apocalypse in low-sec* *facepalms*
You do realize this is a new guy right? Give him a bit of a break. Even though I wish you came to my low sec area of space. Sigh. Maybe we should explain what low sec, null sec, and high sec means? Some documentation is found from, https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/System_security Uggg... maybe I just need some sleep. I feel cranky.
But seriously...
- if someone has enough knowledge to buy a 2005 character and find a half decent PvE-fit then they should have run into a few warnings about low-sec.
- if this person is the original owner of the character he/she has been around since 2005. That is a long time to be ignorant about half the map.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4818
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:43:36 -
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Hardiss wrote:Yesterday I jumped from a 0.3 system to a 0.4, after jumping through I started warping. While aligning, I was marked as a criminal and forbidden to warp or jump. Then the campers showed up and attacked me together with sentry guns. I didn't loot, target, nor fire, and the only operation was to warp to my mission deadspace. It is actually the second time! Could anyone explain the trick? Many Thanks! Background: 1. I have positive security standing. 2. I am in a rookie corp, not in war with anyone. 3. No one has kill right on me since I did not attack players nor players' belongs. 4. I had not already been marked as a criminal before I jumped.
Uhm.
From judging the killmail.
A. YOu were not hit by the sentry guns (sentry guns only shoot the aggressor, so unless you agressed first, they won't attack you).
B. You were caught by a gate camp.
As for the numbers:
1. You were likely not flagged as a criminal, but just jumped into a gate camp and was pointed before you could warp. 2. That doesn't matter if you are in low-sec, didn't you read the pop up the first time you jumped in...Low-sec is more dangerous space...specially if you go there in a slow battleship, without help. 3. Again, means jack **** in low-sec. You flow into low-sec blind, in a big fat juicy ship (read: target). No wonder they took the chance to shoot you. 4. See 3.
The criminal flagging you got, was actually a "grid" wide notification that someone was commiting a crime. In this case, the people that attacked you.
Pro tip:
If you don't know how to "survive and thrive" in low-sec, don't just go in there with a freaking battleship.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4819
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:48:26 -
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Eldwinn wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:*looks up killboard* *sees a PvE fit Apocalypse in low-sec* *facepalms*
You do realize this is a new guy right? Give him a bit of a break. Even though I wish you came to my low sec area of space. Sigh. Maybe we should explain what low sec, null sec, and high sec means? Some documentation is found from, https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/System_security
Hmz, I can't blame Shah for the facepalm
A. If you are able to fly and fit a battleship, you surely have some experience with game mechanics. B. If you jump into low-sec, you get a nice pop-up warning you that it is hostile there. If you disable that pop-up...that's your own action and the consequenses are yours.
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Hardiss
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:28:05 -
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Thanks for your helpful information. I was given this account to save my tedious training and am not experienced as who played before, so consider me as a grateful newbie. Hope this clarifcation ends some arguments here, again, many thanks to you all. |
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Hardiss
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:37:15 -
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By the way, I have not been blaming about gate camp since I was warned before and fully understand it's a part of the game. I guess my panic caused my misunderstanding in the system messages showing "Criminal", which had turned me here for some help since I though I should not be identified as a criminal. Obviously my suspicion in the crimial mechanism was wrong, but don't give me wrong, I know the risk, willingly accept my loss and don't mean to ask for pity. Thanks for all your kind inputs, I learned a lot. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
6528
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:48:45 -
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Fair enough.
In the future, take baby steps when entering low-sec. Use fast, cheap frigates to get a feel for the place and learn how to survive.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:52:16 -
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Hardiss wrote:By the way, I have not been blaming about gate camp since I was warned before and fully understand it's a part of the game. I guess my panic caused my misunderstanding in the system messages showing "Criminal", which had turned me here for some help since I though I should not be identified as a criminal. Obviously my suspicion in the crimial mechanism was wrong, but don't give me wrong, I know the risk, willingly accept my loss and don't mean to ask for pity. Thanks for all your kind inputs, I learned a lot.
if you haven't dont anything, and criminal pops up on your screen, someone with bad sec status is flying through, or they've done something criminal. This time it was the campers shooting you.
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Azda Ja
BUMP POW
365
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Posted - 2014.11.15 04:01:55 -
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Hardiss wrote:By the way, I have not been blaming about gate camp since I was warned before and fully understand it's a part of the game. I guess my panic caused my misunderstanding in the system messages showing "Criminal", which had turned me here for some help since I though I should not be identified as a criminal. Obviously my suspicion in the crimial mechanism was wrong, but don't give me wrong, I know the risk, willingly accept my loss and don't mean to ask for pity. Thanks for all your kind inputs, I learned a lot.
Good attitude. You get a drunk high five from from me.
"I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish
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Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.15 05:32:48 -
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Hardiss wrote:I guess my panic caused my misunderstanding in the system messages showing "Criminal", which had turned me here for some help since I though I should not be identified as a criminal. Yeah, the broadcast is weird. It does actually include the name of the offender, but it's easy to miss it. Even I get weirded out every time I see a "Eric, YOU DID SOMETHING BAD AND YOU WILL BE SHOT" message. They should really color the name and/or show the broadcast for other players differently than personal messages. |
Cherri Minoa
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
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Posted - 2014.11.15 10:48:29 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:Yeah, the broadcast is weird. It does actually include the name of the offender, but it's easy to miss it. Even I get weirded out every time I see a "Eric, YOU DID SOMETHING BAD AND YOU WILL BE SHOT" message. They should really color the name and/or show the broadcast for other players differently than personal messages.
Same as the warp scramble warnings. There is a degree of control over the notifications, but it should be far more customisable.
"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
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Haedonism Bot
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
1557
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Posted - 2014.11.15 14:23:04 -
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Hardiss wrote:Thanks for your helpful information. I was given this account to save my tedious training and am not experienced as who played before, so consider me as a grateful newbie . Hope this clarifcation ends some arguments here, again, many thanks to you all.
Let's try that again without implicating ourselves in a EULA violation. Say, "I was given this character" not "I was given this account" This is me giving you the benefit of the doubt because I believe your story that you are just an ignorant newbie. Account sharing is against the rules, selling or gifting characters to be transferred to another person's account is not.
Anyway, since you are a newbie, I'll give you some more advice- training in EVE is anything but tedious. This is a game where grinding is completely optional and a new character can experience some of the endgame content even with 0 SP. Flying in smaller ships while you figure things out (like how to evade a lowsec gatecamp, for example) is one of the most fun aspects of the game, and really makes you feel as if you are embarking on a great long term adventure. If you started right in with a high SP character then you robbed yourself of some of the best experiences in the game.
I strongly suggest that you sell that character and all its assets, give almost all of the isk to charity, (www.minerbumping.com), create a new character and do the tutorials, then go from there. Good luck, fly dangerous.
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Ethikos
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
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Posted - 2014.11.15 15:05:13 -
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In all seriousness, listen to the advice about starting on a new character and working you way up. Do not think about the ships in EvE as gear in another game. In other words, bigger and more expensive does not equate to better. The ships in EvE are much more like character classes in another game. Each ship type has their role or place. Start out at the beginning and learning with effective but cheap T1 Frigates is a great way to learn to EvE.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=266074 - Sniggwaffe (Waffles)
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4820
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Posted - 2014.11.15 19:32:58 -
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Hardiss wrote:Thanks for your helpful information. I was given this account to save my tedious training and am not experienced as who played before, so consider me as a grateful newbie . Hope this clarifcation ends some arguments here, again, many thanks to you all.
Then, simple...get out of those battleships and enter a frigate.
Sure you have more SP etc.
But you are new, learn it the way new players do...with small ships and gradually make them bigger. The only advantage you will have, you already have the skills prelearned for that.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4820
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Posted - 2014.11.15 19:34:15 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:Hardiss wrote:I guess my panic caused my misunderstanding in the system messages showing "Criminal", which had turned me here for some help since I though I should not be identified as a criminal. Yeah, the broadcast is weird. It does actually include the name of the offender, but it's easy to miss it. Even I get weirded out every time I see a "Eric, YOU DID SOMETHING BAD AND YOU WILL BE SHOT" message. They should really color the name and/or show the broadcast for other players differently than personal messages.
Agreed.
Bold, colored would be very nice.
Or white for you / red for anybody else or what so ever.
Maybe even include a nice linkable name, so you can quickly target said person to get on the killmails
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:23:19 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:Hardiss wrote:Thanks for your helpful information. I was given this account to save my tedious training and am not experienced as who played before, so consider me as a grateful newbie . Hope this clarifcation ends some arguments here, again, many thanks to you all. Let's try that again without implicating ourselves in a EULA violation. Say, "I was given this character" not "I was given this account" This is me giving you the benefit of the doubt because I believe your story that you are just an ignorant newbie. Account sharing is against the rules, selling or gifting characters to be transferred to another person's account is not. Anyway, since you are a newbie, I'll give you some more advice- training in EVE is anything but tedious. This is a game where grinding is completely optional and a new character can experience some of the endgame content even with 0 SP. Flying in smaller ships while you figure things out (like how to evade a lowsec gatecamp, for example) is one of the most fun aspects of the game, and really makes you feel as if you are embarking on a great long term adventure. If you started right in with a high SP character then you robbed yourself of some of the best experiences in the game. I agree with this advice.
Haedonism Bot wrote:I strongly suggest that you sell that character and all its assets, give almost all of the isk to charity, ( www.minerbumping.com), create a new character and do the tutorials, then go from there. Good luck, fly dangerous. I disagree with this advice, especially the part about giving ISK to charity.
No reason to sell the character or the assets associated with it. That character can actually be used to run the Tutorial and Career Agents which would probably help, not to mention this guide - Rookie Lowsec Survival Guide
DMC
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13kr1d1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.16 04:41:37 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:
Let's try that again without implicating ourselves in a EULA violation. Say, "I was given this character" not "I was given this account" This is me giving you the benefit of the doubt because I believe your story that you are just an ignorant newbie. Account sharing is against the rules, selling or gifting characters to be transferred to another person's account is not.
Which is stupid weasel-language on part of the EULA anyway. You're not actually selling an account but whats in the account. If you can sell or "gift" a character, which is something in the account, to someone else, then there's no difference than handing over the entire account.
Besides, it's not like CCP blatantly ignores the EULA when it comes to isboxer, which is a "tool" that blatantly falls under EULA violation rules such as quick-repeating keystrokes and being able to multiple a single keystroke as multiple commands (in this case to multiple clients).
At 5 drones of T2, the Tristan is nearly as powerful as the Algos, with a cheaper price tag, better maneuverability and speed, and smaller sig radius to avoid the lazy carebearish T3 station blapping -10s who have no life. Pick tristan for FW.
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Haedonism Bot
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
1559
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Posted - 2014.11.16 17:14:21 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Haedonism Bot wrote:
Let's try that again without implicating ourselves in a EULA violation. Say, "I was given this character" not "I was given this account" This is me giving you the benefit of the doubt because I believe your story that you are just an ignorant newbie. Account sharing is against the rules, selling or gifting characters to be transferred to another person's account is not.
Which is stupid weasel-language on part of the EULA anyway. You're not actually selling an account but whats in the account. If you can sell or "gift" a character, which is something in the account, to someone else, then there's no difference than handing over the entire account. Besides, it's not like CCP blatantly ignores the EULA when it comes to isboxer, which is a "tool" that blatantly falls under EULA violation rules such as quick-repeating keystrokes and being able to multiple a single keystroke as multiple commands (in this case to multiple clients).
I think we can all agree that CCP does a ****-poor job of both making and enforcing the rules. Basically you can toss the EULA out the window because the actual rules are just whatever any given GM or CCP feels like calling the rules at the moment that they are doing it. There is a long history of fuckups and blatant abuses of power to support this theory.
Nevertheless, the risk of being randomly banned for some silly or imagined violation is still pretty low, although indisputably real. And the game itself is so awesome that we basically look past these things.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4828
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Posted - 2014.11.16 21:24:07 -
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13kr1d1 wrote: weasel-language on part of the EULA anyway. You're not actually selling an account but whats in the account. If you can sell or "gift" a character, which is something in the account, to someone else, then there's no difference than handing over the entire account.
Uhm. Yes there is a BIG difference.
Handing a character, is just transfering over the control of a single character.
Handing over an account, is handing over accountdata. Which in terms could be used in account sharing (another EULA violation)
p.s.
Oh you are that kind of person (aka an ISB whiner).
Heads up, they are legal. Why, simple....they do NOTHING without user interaction.
If you want to ban ISB, then you also want CCP to hire many many GMs that regurly visit your house, just to check if you didn't do this:
http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/eve_multiboxing_1.jpg
Go cry, but that is the exact same thing ISB does. Only ISB is smart and does it on a software level rather then a hardware level.
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
379
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Posted - 2014.11.17 07:43:14 -
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The above was a bit of fad before IS and other boxing software came to consumer markets before that they were mainly used in industrial controlrooms to reduce information load. ISB also has a so called main screen from where you can monitor and control each screen separately.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.11.17 12:14:01 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and those quoting it.
The Rules: 3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counter productive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
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Gizznitt Malikite
agony unleashed Agony Empire
4182
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Posted - 2014.11.17 22:57:14 -
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Having more SP enables you to fly bigger ships, and it makes you more effective at flying the ships you can fly.
Flying bigger ships before you are ready (i.e. before you have a solid grasp of game mechanics), generally means you pay a higher price to learn your lessons.
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