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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.15 05:22:49 -
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13kr1d1, removing clone grades means they can split T2 skills into racial variants now. In the future, supports.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.15 15:50:37 -
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Kate! it's the end of EVE as we know it. I just heard med clones are going away, but now we'll lose our clothes!
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:59:48 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I could see the basic clone not having any hardwiring implant slots, and having to upgrade the clone on a per-slot basis. that's the first idea I could see them doing. wish I'd thought of that.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.16 00:25:13 -
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what about me? how were my posts
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.16 02:41:27 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Rain6637 wrote:what about me? how were my posts They were as good as your fajitas. that's it? no digs about going into a corner or anything? which hurts my feelings by the way.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.16 03:30:49 -
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that's freakin morbid
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.16 05:16:16 -
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it was well-writtenish, but you're basically tinfoiling. just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you etc, there's no way to convince you of something when the reasons you use are imaginary relationships between people.
you're asking for someone to disprove an imagined scenario with hard facts, how is that equal.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.16 08:20:49 -
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Kerono Thalmor wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote: ... There's no longer a game mechanic to "abuse" because it's terrible and being removed. End of story....
Lack of a game mechanic can be abused. The part you're talking about, the one where you set your med clone to a distant station, then self destruct yourself to travel there instantly--is going away with med clone grades. After Rhea you can only set your station to a corporation office once per year (that's where it was abused--you could set your med clone to any med facility where your corporation had an office). Your med clone travel option is once per year, or to your rookie system station.
So yeah, the exploitability is being removed. The only legitimate purpose for using up a lot of med clones is rapid PVP. iz good.
It is, however, still a case of goons getting their way because conspiracy and illumittani.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.16 18:24:58 -
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also, OP, What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow. choose wisely
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.16 18:37:38 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:You're paying for SP greed. What the hell is SP greed? It's more like SP gluttony. totally different sin.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.16 18:54:41 -
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man this thread is all kinds of satisfying. I don't even feel hungry anymore.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.16 19:18:19 -
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because lack of choice is what I started unsubbing and consolidating over.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.17 01:25:28 -
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Paynus Maiassus wrote:Yay they are getting rid of clone upgrades.
I just lost JDC 5 a few days ago.
Good riddance to the stupid clone upgrades. sorry to hear that broski. petition, and use reasons from this thread one at a time, each time it's kicked back to you.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.17 04:44:38 -
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Vol Arm'OOO wrote:Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Anyone who can fly a T3 can pay off medical clones. "Can" and "willing to if they are given a choice" are not the same thing.
Thats the point - clone costs impose risk on high sp lvl players for participating in low skilled pvp. People who dont like that are just inclined to perfer risk free pvp which is not the way eve has ever been. you realize damage application does not scale with ship size, in fact it gets worse? and the distances in common situations such as gate spawn and webs and points are within 15 km. good luck brawling in a 15 km radius with large guns.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.17 06:25:23 -
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+1. Vol is labelling frigate / small ship PVP as "low skilled" but that's just incorrect. It's fun PVP and it's fast paced, effective PVP. not to mention tackle is really important for kills.
Assuming Vol was correct, that characters should always go up and out from frigates and cruisers, there's still a good 75 million SP to be trained in cruisers and below.
So the best solution in Vol's world is what, only train up to frigates and never go back? You can't even skip frigate skills, you need them to some degree for spaceship command and gunnery. So currently there's 20 million SP in small stuff that pilots have no financial interest in being caught in. because it's "low skilled PVP" right
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:17:34 -
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supports are 50 million SP already, and that clone exceeds the cost of T1 frigates, so even the frig pilot has this issue.
all the SP on top of that, for other ships... none of that applies to a frigate. is that part clear to you?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:54:20 -
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Yeah uh, I like to get things I want. dunno about you all.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.17 21:55:45 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Yeah uh, I like to get things I want. dunno about you all. So when will you be asking for CCP to hand out 1 billion isk to cut out the boring no-fun no-choice middleman of grinding for ISK in order to PvP from day one? Like the Clone cost, it's an ISK and time sink that's a forced option, thus no fun. I buy PLEX when I need ISK because I really, seriously, c.b.a.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.17 23:40:07 -
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Kamahl Daikun wrote:13kr1d1 wrote:But you're wrong. Or you have an agenda. Clone costs don't unduly burden new players. Below 900,000 sp you don't need a clone. The next clone cost is 28,000. You only need to upgrade clones if you get podded, which is not PvE. A ship for PvP will cost you 100x more than a clone if you fail to warp off properly. Apparently the problem is the supervets who spend, at minimum, 32m per clone. Somehow they get podded enough that they're spending a fortune in clones. They're also vets who can't secure their pods and warp out in time. I'm not even being sarcastic. These are legit arguments being presented. 60 mil, and without poddings there's still risk. In bubbles, you have to go in them, and pods don't escape them very well. -you- are being rather obtuse by suggesting losing pods is due to lack of skill. bubbles are a defining trait of Nullsec, where CCP would prefer players end up, despite this.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.18 00:00:26 -
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imo CCP made a good decision to remove clone grades, but the reason ("choice") bothers me. they're still on the hook for not getting it. imo.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.18 01:35:36 -
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this is so bad. so how do you explain the math behind rapid podding, at tens of millions of ISK per, with no limit to how many times that can happen.
when a player finds themselves out, say, a billion ISK in med clone fees in an hour, because they had to. htfu and buy a PLEX?
the ability to undock... that should cost 20, 40, 60 million ISK?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.18 01:47:19 -
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still waiting for your sophistry regarding the infinite scalability of med clone fees, 13kr1d1. impress me
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.18 06:12:32 -
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13kr1d1 wrote:Rain6637 wrote:this is so bad. so how do you explain the math behind rapid podding, at tens of millions of ISK per, with no limit to how many times that can happen.
when a player finds themselves out, say, a billion ISK in med clone fees in an hour, because they had to. htfu and buy a PLEX?
the ability to undock... that should cost 20, 40, 60 million ISK? If you're finding undocking into pod death repeatedly because somehow, for some reason, you're in a situation you can't escape from, how is that a flaw with clone upgrades? At some point you have to stop blaming mechanics and blaming yourself for choosing something obviously bad. because conflict, and you go into bubbles because that's the game in null.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.18 07:20:35 -
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guys seriously this is a serious thread stop being difficult.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.18 09:54:29 -
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braux that's an excellent idea.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.19 15:54:42 -
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Araxmas wrote:p.s. Yes I know higher SP clones are very expensive to some people but when you have that many SP you tend to not be short of money. this assumption again. risking a pod and funding a pod are the same activity
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 16:20:59 -
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there will still be clones that cost something. just won't be loss of subscription fees.
whoa suddenly a mashie saldana
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 16:35:29 -
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ok, I give up: who is lance?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.21 02:15:53 -
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this isn't immediately for the new players, or the children in the point about the mighty morphin power rangers (whoever that is, is that like captain planet).
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.21 23:53:42 -
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this is definitely my favorite thread of the month.
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2014.11.22 20:49:59 -
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keep hope alive
and this thread
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2014.11.22 21:22:18 -
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like siggy
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.23 01:21:04 -
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jump fatigue for the distance you were reset to your med clone. a time throttle, rather than an ISK throttle.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.23 05:31:28 -
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Rowells wrote:Rain6637 wrote:jump fatigue for the distance you were reset to your med clone. a time throttle, rather than an ISK throttle. Wrong. The fatigue would be based on SP. The more you have the longer timer. Regardless if distance. sometimes my jokes scare me
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:24:33 -
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13kr1d1, i'm still trying to figure out how to pronounce your name.
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2014.11.25 01:40:16 -
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typing typing words tippity tap wow i love the sound my keyboard makes
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2014.11.25 11:10:43 -
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when I was out in full force doing cap escalations, I was flying about... 12 bil in ships/modules, another 10 in pods. that's not sustainable.
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