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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy rabbit killer's inc
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Posted - 2006.08.29 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Thrawn on 29/08/2006 16:18:42
i personaly am a belt pirate. i use various ship and yes some of victims get away with stabs, but not all do. And i do ransom but just when its viable. meaning the guy doesn't have 5 friends in local that will blob me(which they often do) and i think he has something worth ransoming. i'll ransom the pod if i lock it
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Sakura Nihil
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.08.29 16:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Juwi Kotch
There are many, many PKs in EVE (for those who do not know, PK stands for PlayerKiller, and describes the people who are just out to increase their killboard count, regardless of any challenge), and very few pirates.
Pirates want ISK, PKs want kills. Everyone who pod kills is per default a PK and not a pirate, since pods do not yield one ISK (this does not apply to bounty hunters and to war of course).
Juwi Kotch
...so much use of the PK abbreviation  .
Look, pirates generally stopped belt hunting and ransoming due to:
1) lack of population in lowsec
2) rampant use of stabs
Increase the population in lowsec, and nerf stabs, and belt piracy will be revived. It will also get a boost if gatecamping is nerfed, reducing the common newb fears of "I'll be obliterated the moment I head into lowsec", which keeps highsec overpopulated and forces the pirates to turn to gate ganking for kills.
In essence, too many lions, not enough gazelle.
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direkte
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Posted - 2006.08.29 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Benefactor
Where did I say anything about using my cloaker to try to hunt the campers down? Far from it.
I never said you did. Are you on medication?
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The simple fact that camping is the only kind of "piracy" I see anymore is certainly grounds for a little nostalgia.
Move around.
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So for whining about a "whining" thread, what's your cut of the deal? A gold star? The delusion that you're somehow cooler for it? 
I prefer 'clever' over 'cooler'.
Four smilies eh, does that mean that you are laughing four times in a row or do you need four smilies to backup your rubbish 'comeback'.
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Anubuss
Minmatar
DarkStar 1
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.29 18:16:00 -
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Ok after reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that all mmo's are filled with flamers lol.
I am still fairly new to EVE and love the pvp factor. I have never really prefered gate camping at all. So I guess I am one of the few that prefer to "hunt down" my victims =). But what I dont understand is people whine about gate campers when they are blown up by them and say that they are lazy for sitting by a gate picking off people.
But yet I have seen many people (even some that have posted on this forum) whine at the fact that they were minding their own business mining or what not in low sec space when the big mean pirate player came into their area and shot them down.
Now this would believe me that threads like this are ment for people to just plain out whine period..not necesarrily about anything in particular at all. They just need to whine about something in regards to how the game was unfair to them or how mean it was for someone to shoot their hauler or mining barge or what not.
One thing I have learned when not pirating when I am actually on the other end of the spectrum and minnig alone in low sec space...Out fit your ship to actually tank long enough so that you can get away. Yes i have been webbed and scrambled and everythign else under the moon.But I learn and adjust my setup accordingly. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt.
One thing that dissapoints me about this thread is not once did it really have any relevance to bounty hunters or their prey like this particular forum is titled.......maybe that can be anotyher topic for someone to whine about?
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Athren Soulsteal
Gallente
Orion Faction
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Posted - 2006.08.29 18:51:00 -
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In essence, too many lions, not enough gazelle.
QFT, thatÆs the main problem with EVE, It was started by PKers for PKers there is no real PVP. A BS attacking an Indy/barge is not PVP itÆs a Lion attacking a Gazelle (simple PKing).
WhatÆs worse is that the gazelles are funneled to the Lions at the gates. EVE has the worst PVP system ever imagined but the best PK system in history.
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One thing that disappoints me about this thread is not once did it really have any relevance to bounty hunters or their prey like this particular forum is titled
The problem is that the Bounty System is FUBARED and CCP refuses to do what is necessary to fix it. Before Bounty Hunting can become a real profession the problem of how bounties are collected must be resolved. Right now anyone with a bounty on them can use their alt account to collect the bounty. The way to fix the system is to have players with bounties (neg sec when placed) on them have their pods scooped into cargo bay and be delivered to the local police to collect the bounty. There they would stay in jail until their court date where they would be moved as an agent mission. But CCP would never do this because it would reduce the amount of PKing. If you start caging the lions, then the lions would stop killing the gazelle regardless of hunger and you canÆt have that because if the gazelle are not concentrating on looking out for the lions then they would have a chance to look around and see that the world created for them is unfinished. The gazelles would then see that this in not the world if milk and honey where they could build and thrive that they had been promised, this was a lions den with a few shrubs planted in the middle to distract and pacify them long enough to feed the lions.
Whats worse are as been posted above, the lions are not even bothering to hunt any more. I am really suppried that CCP has not moved all the starter systems out to the middle of 0.0 so that people start the game knowing what they are. 
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente
IMPERIAL SENATE
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Posted - 2006.08.29 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Constantine Arcanum on 29/08/2006 21:48:25
 Originally by: Athren Soulsteal
QFT, thatÆs the main problem with EVE, It was started by PKers for PKers there is no real PVP. A BS attacking an Indy/barge is not PVP itÆs a Lion attacking a Gazelle (simple PKing).
what they are.
Nooooononononono
If you kill an indy/ barge you are a pirate, whenever I see a neutral barge in a belt I maul it visciously because of the strip miners... mmmmm... and indies are generally full of nice things, and I like nice things.
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Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:57:00 -
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FRak piracy i want to be a murderer ,why are you trying to change my gameplay to make yours more easy?
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Tasty Burger
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Posted - 2006.08.30 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tasty Burger on 30/08/2006 04:57:37
To be honest, I think that the main problem is that stargates are too central to EVE. 80% of everyone's flying time is spent at a gate or flying to one, I'd bet. I think gate sniping is stupid, but to be fair its very hard to find anyone anywhere else in lowsec.
What needs to be done is to:
-make 0.5 - 0.9 less profitable/desirable for everyone
-make 0.1 - 0.4 more desirable/profitable for everyone
-remove (YES REMOVE) sentry guns in lowsec. This would, I would think, stop sniping because there would be no reason to, when you could get in close. This would mean more damage from pirates but less pirates would be needed to do the job, it would help newer/younger pirates that are using frigates and cruisers (good). It would also mean that people defending themselves at gates becomes a bigger option.
As hard as I think, though, I can't think of anything that would remove the monopoly that stargates have on fighting. I'd love to see more combat in asteroid belts, at planets/moons/landmarks, and not just in piracy, but for all pvp.
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Dreshi
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2006.08.30 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: sweetey
I don't know why killing ppl is called piracy. Piracy is when you ransom someone, pirates used to ransom and/or take over victim's ship and *****womens on it. Pls, don't hohnor plain killers with title "pirates".
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Filthy Pierre
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2006.08.31 07:31:00 -
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Dunno what all the fuss is about. I'm a miner. That's how I make my ISKies to pay for my tea and biccys.
Pirates exist. Hazard of the job.
Don't see anywhere in the rules that says that miners can't have teeth. Someone bites me, I bite back, often harder. The pirate that tastes best is the one that thought he was going to eat *you* - crunchy outside and a surprise(d) filling on the inside.
Go look up 'Q-Ship' sometime.
Only thing that annoys me is the smacktalk of calling me a carebear - I'm not a carebear, I just won't fire the first shot. I'll bet there are a lot of miners like me out there.
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Corvus Dove
Caldari
The Path of Now and Forever
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Posted - 2006.08.31 23:58:00 -
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People always seem to forget that the reason noone ransoms is the same reason that ransoms work.
The ship itself, and its fittings, are worth far more than any ransom pays out. A person will pay out the nose to keep modules, but then again, the modules are more than the nostrillically ejaculated ISK and it's more profitable to pop the target and snatch the modules.
Indies, however, are a different story. The most ISK I ever made was when I locked an indie full of Zyd and scanned it, and told him "50% of your cargo, or lose all of it". He dropped the loot, I scooped it, THEN I let him out of my scrams. In fact, if you want to "fix" piracy, there's a simple solution:
Make cargo scanners part of a ship's basic fitting, not a module that normally wastes a slot.
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Garan Savlar
Gallente
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.01 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kage Getsu
I prefer "Haiku or Pod" myself. It's not as practical as ISK, but it's really funny. See, I get the victim to write a haiku for me about EVE. If they don't know what a haiku is, they die. If they get the syllable count wrong, they die. If they don't screw it up, they get to live. Easy!
Sadly, I'm amazed at how many people don't know what a haiku is :(
LOL ... Now you, my friend, are a pirate! 
I salute your flair, panache, style and imagination. I would be honoured to be podded by you ... which would happen 'cos I'm ****e at poetry!
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Juwi Kotch
Gallente
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2006.09.01 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kage Getsu
Originally by: eLLioTT wave
Not vital, but a lot more fun for both parties involved.
I prefer "Haiku or Pod" myself. It's not as practical as ISK, but it's really funny. See, I get the victim to write a haiku for me about EVE. If they don't know what a haiku is, they die. If they get the syllable count wrong, they die. If they don't screw it up, they get to live. Easy!
Sadly, I'm amazed at how many people don't know what a haiku is :(
I just would ask you to open my bio ingame...
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Ryle
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.01 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Juwi Kotch
Everyone who pod kills is per default a PK and not a pirate, since pods do not yield one ISK
WRONG
If someone won't pay a ransom for thier ship (or if ransoming the ship isn't practical for some reason) I lock down and ransom their pod.
If they pay, it's yielded me isk and they keep their implants. If they don't pay, no I don't get any isk, but I'm keeping my word that if they don't pay I'll pod them. If I started letting people go that couldn't/wouldn't pay... well.
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VIctoria Ballentyne
Minmatar
Pale Riders Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.09.01 17:47:00 -
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Maybe I've been lucky. All the pirates I've beaten or beaten by have been actual pirates, and mostly good sports. Except one who blew up my alt in a pretty good (but standard) gate camp from about 50 meters away. Got tarred and feathered, offered ransom and it was denied.. why? Because I asked for ransom the pikachu thought I had something valuable in my frigate. Bang frigate dead, pod dead. But we had a good natter afterwards so there was no animosity, he did his bit, I waited a couple of hours went back mined and recouped the losses. Big deal. If it was a gate camper from 200km's I@d have made it away and smack talked the lonely gimp until I made it out the sytem.
I support piracy, I've even told newbie pirates who have tried and failed to take me down how to do it better. Fact remains that the gateways are a choke point which the campers will camp.
Potential ways to get around this?
1: warp to 0m - gets rid of hte insta problem as well
2: Increase the number of gates in a system
3: More incentives for people to go into .4 to .1
But no matter what people say about ways to do this and that and fixes and botches and pirates going yarr stuff your bounty.... what really needs to be done is to educate the new players about low sec. We've all been there doing a newbie mission which sends you to low sec only to have some crazed halfwit in a HAC blow you up for his killboard. People don't go into low sec if this happens. It's up to the corps they join, the experienced players to spread the knowledge. THEN, if they still do stupid stuff and whine about being podded by a T2 laden ibis, it's their own fault.
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Posted - 2006.09.02 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lo3d3R
what's wrong with fat kids anyway
Fat people are harder to kidnap.
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Blind Man
Caldari
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.02 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Benefactor
Consider one scenarios.
A miner is out in some lowsec space, merrily mining away. Little does he know that a pirate has just spotted him upon warping in, and immediately locks on. The miner turns to escape, and warps out with stabs but alas, and he can only smack and log off as a few more pirates warp in to an empty belt, hitting themselves on the head while they wait 15 minutes to go to a different system.
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Tekka
Caldari
Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2006.09.02 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 29/08/2006 11:38:52
1) Surely you dont expect pirates to ransom someone while tanking sentries?
I have... But then again I was with somone.
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Garan Savlar
Gallente
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.02 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Garan Savlar on 02/09/2006 11:35:18
Edited by: Garan Savlar on 02/09/2006 11:35:05
Originally by: Scordite
Originally by: Lo3d3R
what's wrong with fat kids anyway
Fat people are harder to kidnap.
Surely they're easier to kidnap 'cos they can't run as fast or as far as thin people?? 
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Posted - 2006.09.02 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
To have a decent piracy system, we'd need to have:
1¦ stabs nerfed
2¦ a ransom system
3¦ an anti-pirate system (bounty hunter)
Not everything lies in the hands of CCP though, players (bad) mentality is probably a deterrent factor.
Compeltely agree. I'd love to see a real in-game bounty hunting system and ransom system of some description.
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Tuang Pao
The-Wrath
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Posted - 2006.09.02 13:39:00 -
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If they pay, it's yielded me isk and they keep their implants.
This is exactly why I don't use implants. If I have nothing to lose, the pirate has no hold over me.
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