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Guardian PR
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Posted - 2003.10.14 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Guardian PR on 14/10/2003 21:51:18
EVE Guardian would like to make it clear to all Corporations, and in particular all Alliances, that it has not, does not and will not ever reveal its sources to anybody for any reason or under any duress.
Furthermore, whilst we are always happy to accept submissions of news we do not take any notice of Alliances telling us how to print our news or what to print as news.
The editorial policy of EVE Guardian has been clearly stated in the past.
We have no ties to any Corporation, industry, research or exploration service or company.
We make no modules or ships.
We do not trade.
We do not explore.
We do not sell servies or information of any kind.
Our sole income is that from sponsorship/advertising of which 100% goes to funding sporting or social events within EVE.
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Individuals, Corporations or Alliance that seek to deliberatly sow disinformation via us will be subject to exposure of such as we see fit, although even in these extreme circumstances we will still withold sources.
EG strongly advices Alliances (and Corporations) to promote a "single point of contact" (SPOC) or other official PR or spokesperson to act on their behalf if they wish to be represented by an individual on an "official" basis.
In any event EG is not restricted in who it gathers news from or who it accepts submissions from.
Should members of a Corporation or Alliance submit information to us we will use it as we see fit.
No Alliance or Corporation can dictate to us what we can and cannot use... and let us be crystal clear on that issue:
We can not be dictated to by any force within EVE, either on what we cover or how we cover it.
Remember that your membership is free to, and probably does, supply EVE Guardian with information.
Be careful what your therefore try to "dictate" to us as "the truth" from "Your side"... especially if your own members, and member corporations, are telling us otherwise in other submissions.
You know who you are.
We do not feel we should need to repeat ourselves on this matter and this is our only comment on the issue.
Eve Guardian
Fast, reliable and uncensored.
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PsXDnS
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Posted - 2003.10.14 22:23:00 -
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.14 22:32:00 -
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/em chuckles
I think CA just got burned, big time.  
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Korath
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Posted - 2003.10.14 23:03:00 -
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Yeah I was gonna say this smells like it had CA all over but I figured I would avoid saying something at first because I didn't want to start another flame war.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.10.14 23:32:00 -
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Want to say that I really appriciate the job you(EG) put in. It's always interesting to read your news.
And yes, I was pretty upset once by an article based on a report from PsXDnS
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2003.10.15 02:10:00 -
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I must point out that EVE Guardian has had rather sparse coverage of the happenings in Curse since the beginning of the conflict.
This lack of coverage is especially noticeable by us as we are able to compare it to the thorough reporting that the first phase of the Venal war received. This may be due to EG republishing The Scope news though. Incidentally the second phase of the Venal war also did not receive sufficient coverage.
I sorely miss The Scope.
Each day in EVE history is created and it is a shame if the events of our times are not preserved for the future. It is my belief that a society can only progress once it has developed an effective means of keeping historical records.
I would appreciate the directors of EVE Guardian to present their current strategy of how to gather and process data in order to report news. We also need to come up with a shortlist of news coverage shortcomings, there are many but everyone is served better if the interim focus is on the aspects that will provide the "biggest wins". In the end I would request the presentation of a realistic plan on how to enhance coverage with minimal operational load. In other words, find out how to more efficiently cover news events.
There is a void in EVE news coverage right now, in spite of the existence of several news organizations. There is an opportunity for one organization to act as the central source of EVE news, but this opportunity has not yet been seized.
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Uzael
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Posted - 2003.10.15 02:23:00 -
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Spoken like a true member of the CA PsX.
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UZAEL
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DrEvil
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Posted - 2003.10.15 03:00:00 -
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Some people have no sense of humor. If you knew PSX, you would know how funny this is.
Remember that thing called IRONY. Relax a little and have fun. Some people taking this game way to seriously.
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Cerys Ereint
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Posted - 2003.10.15 03:18:00 -
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EG have said all they intend to on this subject..
/em takes off EG hat..
however I can, personally, add something to Rebellions post concerning news and The Scope:
There are roughly 5000 people in EVE every day, each one with their own version of events and own stories. Of course coverage is sparse at times, to think it would ever be comprehensive is naive.
Conceptually CCP intended for news to be one form of corporate activity within the game, with subscribor channels that would earn Corporations revenue in-game. That effectively died the day The Scope was "axed" and the Interstellar Reporters appeared (not their fault obviously). You cant earn from what others give away for free.
The entire concept of some empathic pan-galactic news service dutifully recording every detail of peoples daily toils is so "whacked out unreal" it really is untrue. "The Scope" never intended nor ever would have serviced that need you see Rebllion. Never in a million years and I obviously know of what i speak.
That the early stage of the Venal War was well covered was due to four things:
1) Polaris indestructible ship
2) Green text
3) My knowledge of people, corps and EVE politics
4) A non-feedback forum to present the news
Of those four things I retain two... though the forum is now EVE Guardian.
The largest contributor to the accuracy of the Venal information though was intimate knowledge of the combatants...and next was the ability to sit there and watch events without worrying about having your arse shot off.
Reality check: There will never be such access or ability to tell the news in such detail ever again. No reproter is going to be able to sit chatting in the middle of a battle fleet.
Thats it.
We have to make the most of what little is left to us and work harder on personal knowledge and finding reliable honest members of the community from different areas to submit accurate information... or more importnatnly we get better at picking the small truths from the big lies.
Thats it...
Luckily EVE Guardian survived what was a deliberate attack, and lets not make any bones about it, a deliberate attempt to discredit EG permanently by submitting intentionaly false information presented as "supported news"... and not just once but three times on different things.
THAT is the reality of news in EVE, that's what the players think of your idea of "keeping historical records".
"Lets **** EG over so we can act l33t".
There never should be one central source of news in anycase, thats a recipe for disaster if ever there was one. Its all pipe dream stuff in some magical galaxy far far away from the realities of EVE:
The population of EVE can be mean, vicious, underhand, sly, coniving and at times without remorse in its pursuit of what it wants to be seen as... and god help any news agency that tries to get in their way.
Oh i forgot the one final ingredient of the quality of the Venal coverage from The Scope.. Evolutions boss told us the truth and didn't try to shaft us over for personal gain.
Amazing, but true.
Others may take note: Evolution came out looking good because they weren't a bunch of teenage tossers trying to screw over those providing a service to the entire community.
Am I getting through yet?
/em puts EG hat back on.
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EVE Guardian has six main reporters, a couple of technical staff and about 300 contact points in-game. We dont always agree with each other, we all have different sources and views and we all have some "press" experience.
We aren't a bunch of muppets but of course we rely on the player base helping us out. Where they intentionaly try to shaft us over, and thereby shaft the EVE community, we would love to shout it out to the world.
We dont, we cant, because, fwiw, we take this "job" seriously. If we get things wrong we want to get them wrong honestly... not be maliciously driven into publishing crap presented on "oath".
Thats the end of the matter though...no names, no pack drill.
Im the big-bad boss and im saying it ends here.... as far as EG is concerned anyway.
We have a community to serve.. but we also like to play EVE a bit.
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Homo Erectus
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Posted - 2003.10.15 03:53:00 -
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i like eve guardian |
pooti
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Posted - 2003.10.15 05:05:00 -
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i like eve guardian
PAIGE DAVIS
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Rebellion
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Posted - 2003.10.15 05:59:00 -
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Perhaps EG can establish a cadre of Corporation Representatives whose duties are to submit corporation news to EG. The editors can then survey the reports and conduct investigations where needed thereby eliminating bias. All corporations are NOT automatically entitled to having a representative, EG needs to do this by invite only to lessen the noise factor. With enough regular submissions from the corporations thereby resulting in several sources of information, EG's investigation and cross-checking should be easier to do.
An incentive for corporations to submit accurate news could simply be the benefit of having their most updated corporation profile listed in EG, complete with their own announcements. This will help them with recruitement etc. For some corporations, being able to submit news from their area may be a benefit on its own and they may be willing to pay a retainer fee for the privilege of doing so. A pessimistic evaluation of this setup is that corporations can pay to attempt to have news reported in their favor but they can only keep doing so if they convince EG's editors that they are playing nice. Equillibrium may be reached resulting in news reporting to become a profitable endeavor. With profitability comes growth.
EG can also set up paid classified advertising services. The value of this service escalates as your readership grows. People will want to advertise once they see how it can improve their business.
The risk of being shot at in the battlefield is unfortunately unavoidable now. Hopefully this will be mitigated somewhat once cloaking is in the game.
Just some random thoughts. I believe there is a need, a market and an opportunity.
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Alynthir
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Posted - 2003.10.15 06:00:00 -
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I have always found EG to be a good source of news outside of the limited postings from the official EVE site.
I've noticed that over the last few days that EG has expanded thier coverage of the Curse War. Bravo. It's good that the galaxy knows what is going on in that area. Hopefully, once certian elements are driven out, the citizens of EVE will be able to return to the area without fear of being blasted by "evil-doers"! 
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CLS Civil Affairs Bureau
"Permanent = Today's Plan."
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.10.16 11:25:00 -
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ROFLMAO, CA not being honest about the facts of the war... say it aint so.
On a serious note, what about embedded reporters that video capture the battles? Yes there would be some wasted trips as battles dont always materialize but when they do it would be a great scoop. Just a thought...
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2003.10.16 13:07:00 -
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Does eve guardian do an imgame news board as well. I like to browse through news event when Im online and I like the stuff in EG and how you work.
If yuou dont get an ingame site pplllzzzz make one.
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Jon McRae
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Posted - 2003.10.16 13:45:00 -
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Our NeoCom site is in development, and will be released as soon as is possible.
In the meantime, ensure that whenever you leave your pod, you give us a read - you might like what you see!
Regards,
Business News Correspondant
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Thumbar
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:14:00 -
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Maybe all "look CA got burned" bandwagon jumpers should read eveguardian for opening their mouths, they would look much less foolish if they did.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:16:00 -
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Maybe all "look CA got burned" bandwagon jumpers should read eveguardian for opening their mouths, they would look much less foolish if they did.
Looks like CA AND CFS got burned.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Scragg on 16/10/2003 15:42:24
The Curse Coalition is dedicated to keeping Curse Free and Safe. That includes freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
If a representative of the Guardian would like to contact me in game and if you are interested I will arrange to have a Guardian War correspondent imbedded inside one of our units.
Your correspondent will be free to observe and report on events as they happen. The Curse coalition will not in any way attempt to control what is reported.
The wonderful thing about fighting for a just cause is we need not fear the truth. The Curse Alliance of Pirates have other ideas I'm sure.
Captain Scragg
Birds of Prey
*** Proud member of the Curse Coalition ***
Fighting to keep Curse Free and safe
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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BIG Games
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:05:00 -
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So far I've seen nothing but good stuff from EVE Guardian.
Keep it up guys - stick with your principles.
From what I've seen sofar, I believe you are going to go far.
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TornSoul
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:08:00 -
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pfft - picked the wrong char from the dropdown..
BIG Games is, naturally, my alt.
BIG Lottery
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Jelwar Kurbani
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Posted - 2003.10.17 04:25:00 -
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The AP fully supports EG's position, and is happy they are taking a more involved role in this continuing war.
Jelwar Kurbani, AP Founder
WE will be there...
The Truth At Any Cost!
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