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Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.14 23:10:00 - [1] Have I missed something "as normal" ...... WTF is a cloaking device a HIGH SLOT ITEM ....... You design a entire game around ships that have greater MID SLOTS when designed for EW and stick a cloaking device in a different slot .... Get a grip CCP, I spot another inconsistent nerf ... Note ... Just to clarify ... A clocking device is an electronic system that bends radiation around the ship, rendering it invisible to the sensors of other starships Mongo speaks !!
Quana Parker	Posted - 2003.10.14 23:39:00 - [2] [/qoute] Just to clarify ... A clocking device is an electronic system that bends radiation around the ship, rendering it invisible to the sensors of other starships Actually Mongo a clocking device is a device that measures elapsed time......I could be wrong.....so don't qoute me on this. (just kidding)
Steini OFSI	Posted - 2003.10.14 23:42:00 - [3] So why should scorpion always be the best to choose?
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.15 01:32:00 - [4] Edited by: Mongo Peck on 15/10/2003 01:36:31 You always get them .... Firstly I won't quote you because your wrong ... Anyway back to the orginal post .. why when a clocking device .... IS a electronic warfare / countermeasure device has CCP decided to change the normal configuration of the game and made it a HIGH slot item ... It has nothing to do with "what ship" but it is a general question in regards to game consistancy ... :P Mongo speaks !!
Kiba	Posted - 2003.10.15 03:17:00 - [5] First post on these forums ever, but did you consider the fact that MAYBE it has a high power requirement? In which case, a HIGH power slot would suit it?
Torqamada	Posted - 2003.10.15 03:29:00 - [6] I was not aware of the slot requirements but as for High requirement. I actually think that it makes some sense. I know it must have been a CCP slip up...but. Energy Theft and Shield Xfer devices are also High slots aren't they? (They are still not good for most applications but....still) Despite the fact that Cloaking is an electronic counter measure as you say - it has more potential uses as a weapon than the two aforementioned other devices. For most it will perhaps be most used to cloak and get to the gate with some measure of added safety. Or cloak their afk indy hauler while mining. But there are offensive uses if one is willing to give up the significant shield and cap penalties. I will not descibe them here until used at least once in game but I know you have to have thought of some yourselves. In otherwords to add some additional play balance. I for one would rather start with it ineffective and weak / unpopular rather than too unbalancing and go through the nerfing complaints of those with a differant view on "balance" and fairness - you know .... Uber, L33T, Own J00, er mommy is calling and I cant find my diploma crowd.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2003.10.15 07:50:00 - [7] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 15/10/2003 07:51:47 Its a C L O A K I N G device btw often confused with a timepiece I know, but nevertheless a completely different animal ... MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
darth solo	Posted - 2003.10.15 09:38:00 - [8] A cloaking device will be a very power hungry module, and so will need to be fitted in the high slots, its as easy as that.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.15 17:03:00 - [9] Quote: ... You design a entire game around ships that have greater MID SLOTS when designed for EW and stick a cloaking device in a different slot .... ... And there's the problem. Who said they designed the entire game around ships that have greater mid slots? I can easily offer the argument that it's designed around high slots, given the fact that one of the motivating factors in choosing a ship for many people is how many mining lasers it can fit I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Kaylon Syi	Posted - 2003.10.15 17:49:00 - [10] I would rather sacrifice a High Slot on my ships than a Mid anyday of the week. Especially if I am gonna have Shield and Cap Penalties. For a change I think the original poster should appologize to CCP for the 'not so nice' comment. Anyway... A maller would be a good choice for this device.
Lady Evil	Posted - 2003.10.15 17:55:00 - [11] It is better as a high slot item. It means you have to sacrifice firepower if you want stealth. If it was a mid slot item then everyone would fly scorpions.
Stonyvision	Posted - 2003.10.16 09:41:00 - [12] Thanks for the great news. Will help on using it with my armageddon.
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.16 17:59:00 - [13] Edited by: Mongo Peck on 16/10/2003 18:06:29 Well thankyou for your posts, the normal mix of both constructive and just pure dribble.... Firstly "cloaking has always" be classed as an defensive action and as such it seems consistant to put the item in the "mid slot" eg "shield extenders", hardners, ecm. Secondly, I have a Scorpion, Raven Blackbird etc etc so by making it a "High" slot item you are actually giving these ships an advantage as they can still have full range of ecm as the "mid slot" location. Basically some people claim the Scorpion is "too" powerfull, you now are going to have the same power cloaked. Mongo speaks !!
CyberRaver	Posted - 2003.10.16 20:29:00 - [14] Wrong again my friend, scorpion wont be the same power cloaked, you cant activate any of those lovely mid slot modules you seem so intent on whining about. Basicly get over it and move on. Cant wait to cloak my apoc.
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.16 21:40:00 - [15] Edited by: Mongo Peck on 16/10/2003 21:42:23 Cyberave, again you fall into the second group ..... I can't remember saying aout anything activating the two groups of items at the same time .... maybe english is you second language or maybe there are to many "long" words for you to understand. If you bother to read the post, the point that I'm trying to make is that by making "cloaking" a high slot item again "I" feel that it may give the Scorpions, Raven and Blackbird an unfair advantage by still allowing them to load up there "Mid Slots". As I have already stated, I fly both the Scorpion and Raven so this is only a constructive argument about making what I fly "stronger" Mongo speaks !!
Kini'na	Posted - 2003.10.16 21:52:00 - [16] Quote: Edited by: Mongo Peck on 16/10/2003 21:42:23 Cyberave, again you fall into the second group ..... I can't remember saying aout anything activating the two groups of items at the same time .... maybe english is you second language or maybe there are to many "long" words for you to understand. If you bother to read the post, the point that I'm trying to make is that by making "cloaking" a high slot item again "I" feel that it may give the Scorpions, Raven and Blackbird an unfair advantage by still allowing them to load up there "Mid Slots". As I have already stated, I fly both the Scorpion and Raven so this is only a constructive argument about making what I fly "stronger" My my, aren't we on high horses?
Allaina	Posted - 2003.10.17 06:25:00 - [17] Quote: Edited by: Mongo Peck on 16/10/2003 21:42:23 Cyberave, again you fall into the second group ..... <snip> If you bother to read the post, <snip> Comming from somebody who doesn't see the humor in the clocking device posts. You seem very quick to tell everybody the way things are instead of looking to see the way they actually are. I personally don't see a cloak as a defensive only option. I plan on sneaking right up to my desired badguy while cloaked, orbit at about 500m and activate all the smartbombs I can. So, tell me why a CLOAKING device must be defensive? Because you say so?
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.17 11:51:00 - [18] Urm intresting post ..... Quote: I personally don't see a cloak as a defensive only option. I plan on sneaking right up to my desired badguy while cloaked, orbit at about 500m and activate all the smartbombs I'll take it "you" haven't even got the common sense to play with cloaking on the Chaos server before posting "dribble" Quote: Decloaking cloaked players: - use scanner, when u fly within 1.5 km the cloaked ship will decloak Prevent players to cloak: - simple lock - stay within 1.5 km Give me a constructive argument or stop wasting bandwidth. Mongo speaks !!
Popov	Posted - 2003.10.17 11:57:00 - [19] I'd suggest that any device which instantly drains 100% of the power from your shields and capacitor when switched on clasifies as a high power device. As for the smartbomb "trick" how many of them are you going to fire off with zero capacitor energy?
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.17 11:59:00 - [20] Mongo speaks !!
Vigo Barboza	Posted - 2003.10.17 19:04:00 - [21] How much and where? Recruitment
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.10.17 19:21:00 - [22] Quote: Edited by: Mongo Peck on 16/10/2003 21:42:23 Cyberave, again you fall into the second group ..... I can't remember saying aout anything activating the two groups of items at the same time .... maybe english is you second language or maybe there are to many "long" words for you to understand. If you bother to read the post, the point that I'm trying to make is that by making "cloaking" a high slot item again "I" feel that it may give the Scorpions, Raven and Blackbird an unfair advantage by still allowing them to load up there "Mid Slots". As I have already stated, I fly both the Scorpion and Raven so this is only a constructive argument about making what I fly "stronger" The only advantage Caldari ships will get from a cloaking device is from the launchers. ECM gear is heavy on cap demands. A Scorpion uncloaking won't have the strength to continuously jam a ship. They might have enough cap by the time they lock on to prevent/break the target's lock (which is something I'm interested in experimenting with a lot). Which would make a Scorpion very good for hit and run, breaking lock long enough to recloak. After that, I'd say the cloaking device would give Minmatar ships the major advantage. With a cap booster and a cloaking device, my Tempest would have more than enough cap to activate all 6 of its large turrents and run them continuously by the time it locks on. Might have to look into armor tanking I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Kaleb	Posted - 2003.10.17 19:49:00 - [23] The only "dribble" in this post if yours Mongo. ;p
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.18 00:35:00 - [24] Ah another muppet comes out of the woodwork ..... nice to see you post something constructive ... Anyway back to the post ... I would have to disagree ....even at -90% cap a Scorpion would have more than enough cap to lock you down and jam you expecially when you take into account the cap recharge during the locking phase ... Once you jammed ... who care if you have to wait 10-15 secs before firing the high slots. Mongo speaks !!
Rixeh	Posted - 2003.10.18 09:28:00 - [25] Hey Mongo I wanna be on your 2nd list too. You stupid ***** retard ***. Did the censors catch all that? I hope not, but if so you still get the general idea. ----- Of war men will ask its outcome, not its cause. -- Seneca
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.18 23:20:00 - [26] I'll take it Rixeh you were looking in the mirror when you were going over your speech ... Mongo speaks !!
Kahlee	Posted - 2003.10.19 22:19:00 - [27] Are u an expert on Physics? A PHD? Do you really know what it takes for a ship to disappear from plain sight? I mean, u can biatch and moan about unrealism in NFS5 but not in something thats a fictional element in our age ---------------------------- Omniwar:You know what people do in online games to other people they cant win? Flame.
s0cks	Posted - 2003.10.19 22:41:00 - [28] Mongo is right. Mid-slots are designed for EW and electronic defense, high-slots for damage and offensive gear, and low slots for mechanical defensive and module booster gear. Cloaking is clearly EW and clearly electronically defensive. Don't argue, because you know you're wrong. If you want to use EW you buy a Scorp or BB and sacrifice firepower (a lot of firepower in fact). What's one high-slot to an Apoc or Arma. With that many highs and lows it could easily protect itself against an EW-armed Scorp, so now CCP are making the scorp even less useful. What chance does it have against a cloaked Apoc....?
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2003.10.19 22:56:00 - [29] Edited by: Mongo Peck on 19/10/2003 22:59:01 Actually a Degree but this is only a game . But if you going to play a "device" which in real life doesn't exist then maybe it would be common sense to adhere to all "fictional" published ideas on how the item should / does work .. If your saying a cloaking device is not EW then you simply and clearly wrong ....... and maybe ... just posting dribble and being a a$"úhole. CCP designed mid slots to be used mainly for EW hence the Scorpion and Blackbird. By making the cloaking device a "High" slot item then they have changed there own design. Do I here the Enterprise shout "lets check local" when they think their is a cloaked cruiser ..... no ... can you in every program, novel, or film ... warp a ship when cloaked ... yes. If CCP want to bring in cloaking then bring it in but stop listening to you ^%$ú^ carebears. This game need the good and the bad ..... so wtf doesn't CCP do something about it and stop killing EVE. Flame me but you still $%$"ing wrong .. Ps Taking course and medication in anger management ... Mongo speaks !!
s0cks	Posted - 2003.10.19 23:07:00 - [30] Well i wanted to say that myself... but didnt have the guts. Good on ya! CCP are killing this game thx to those carebears who LOVE to mine and who LOVE to whine. I don't wanna loose my ship, waaahh waaahhh. **** you. Go play everquest. This game should be PvP, exciting things like cloaking should help improve the gameplay, and shouldn't be nerfed so bad its pointless. Allow warp when cloaked, remove name from local. Allow all the other penalties tho.

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