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Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.08.29 23:37:00 - [1] from patch notes: copying is now limited to 5 bookmarks at a time. Attempting to copy more than 5 bookmarks will result in only 5 being copied. i'm a sad panda Ore Mongers' 3rd lotto
Chip2k3 Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.29 23:40:00 - [2] how. ghey. Yarr!!
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.08.29 23:41:00 - [3] Originally by: Samirol from patch notes: copying is now limited to 5 bookmarks at a time. Attempting to copy more than 5 bookmarks will result in only 5 being copied. i'm a sad panda good u might have to actualy sit there and manually copy isntead of an isntant ISK making venture as well as lag inducing (will make the game playable) so i fully support CCP and it an idea many of us have put up for soem time
R0ze Hounds of Basgerin	Posted - 2006.08.29 23:41:00 - [4] Or the prices will sky-rocket .. somebody needs to copy the whole thing :)
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.08.29 23:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Miss Overlord Originally by: Samirol from patch notes: copying is now limited to 5 bookmarks at a time. Attempting to copy more than 5 bookmarks will result in only 5 being copied. i'm a sad panda good u might have to actualy sit there and manually copy isntead of an isntant ISK making venture as well as lag inducing (will make the game playable) so i fully support CCP and it an idea many of us have put up for soem time i do it because i make instas around the routes i travel normally, and doing 5 bms at a time will be HUGELY more time consuming than copying 70 at once. I don't make "instant isk", i do it for my corpmates. Ore Mongers' 3rd lotto
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.08.29 23:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Samirol Originally by: Miss Overlord Originally by: Samirol from patch notes: copying is now limited to 5 bookmarks at a time. Attempting to copy more than 5 bookmarks will result in only 5 being copied. i'm a sad panda good u might have to actualy sit there and manually copy isntead of an isntant ISK making venture as well as lag inducing (will make the game playable) so i fully support CCP and it an idea many of us have put up for soem time i do it because i make instas around the routes i travel normally, and doing 5 bms at a time will be HUGELY more time consuming than copying 70 at once. I don't make "instant isk", i do it for my corpmates. that wasnt aimed at u was more a genearlistic comment some of the larger alliances do use it as a ISK making venture COrp mates well youre corp might just have to spend a bit more time spreading the workload around or have a smaller area of operation therefore less instas. I would rather less lag over larger instat copying even if it does slow me and my corp down
Culmen Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.30 00:09:00 - [7] get a macro to do it CCP doesnt seem to want to fix any of the old problems so i dont think they'll throw the bann at you --------------------- Carebear, Until i get my missile skill training done
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.30 00:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Culmen get a macro to do it CCP doesnt seem to want to fix any of the old problems so i dont think they'll throw the bann at you If only we could get CCP to modify the client to: submit a copy request and have a dedicated node deal with the SQL transactions on a first in first out basis. The backend extended stored procedures should already exist. Anyway must dash... have to make sure my alt has a full set of my existing BMs....
Culmen Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.30 00:21:00 - [9] Edited by: Culmen on 30/08/2006 00:22:13 Originally by: Dr Slaughter Originally by: Culmen get a macro to do it CCP doesnt seem to want to fix any of the old problems so i dont think they'll throw the bann at you If only we could get CCP to modify the client to: submit a copy request and have a dedicated node deal with the SQL transactions on a first in first out basis. The backend extended stored procedures should already exist. Anyway must dash... have to make sure my alt has a full set of my existing BMs.... this is a good idea lets hope they actually do it, or for that matter, anything other then what this current "solution" before the player base sullies their computers with macro tools --------------------- Carebear, Until i get my missile skill training done
PostPatchBM King	Posted - 2006.08.30 00:22:00 - [10] Greetings! Regional BM sales won't go away-but they will indeed become extremely expensive and thus impossible for anyone other than veteran players with extreme isk making abilities to afford them. Myself I think that anything that they do to slow down travel or make it more difficult is bad for the game. I understand that CCP has a problem with BM's-but if they have to eliminate them it is foolish to do so without providing an alternative for accurate warping.
HotSeat White Wolves Defence league E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.30 00:31:00 - [11] This must be made a major issue too CCP, or have they lost complete touch with there players? Perhaps there all in care bear-empire land running missions? How the hell do they expect players that live in 0.0 too deal with this? Even before patch BM copying sucked..... this just makes it a joke. Worse part is, we can't even get in a cov-ops and make our own, thanks to the cloak bug. Sorry I have been in game developement many years, and understand when you come out with a bad patch, but this REALLY needs to be fixed ASAP.
Dave White Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.08.30 00:34:00 - [12] Edited by: Dave White on 30/08/2006 00:35:06 Macro bm-ers, who will get banned again... Not insta sets per region, but per constellation... Skyhigh prizes.... Much harder to get for new players... Why is CCP implenting this again?!
Helplessandlost Minmatar CHOSEN FATE	Posted - 2006.08.30 00:51:00 - [13] While this immensley sux, I feel I'm missing something... What cloak bug? "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!"
Zaldiri Caldari Automated Industries	Posted - 2006.08.30 01:12:00 - [14] Think this is CCP trying to make BMs increasingly unattractive with the aim of reducing the whining out when they finally remove/replace them. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Colonel Ripper The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.30 01:49:00 - [15] Getting rid of BMs is a good thing I think, but this is not the way to do it. People are still going to have to copy them to survive, they are just going to take forever to do them. This will only hurt newer toons that have not aquired large collections yet, they are still going to copy them, they are just going to have to take 2 weeks to do it now. Not a good solution CCP, we need something else.
Mr Mac Xenobytes	Posted - 2006.08.30 02:11:00 - [16] next time one bookmark per copy plz...
Areconus	Posted - 2006.08.30 02:33:00 - [17] What the ** is the deal? For god sakes everywhere i look there is apost about what sux now after the patch...i mean i thought patches were supposed to IMPROVE gameplay...not ** it
Durethia RillaCorp THE H0RDE	Posted - 2006.08.30 02:59:00 - [18] why don't they just allow the BMs to be stored locally on the computer? They can not possibly be anything more than a set of coordinates. Perhaps a few more bytes worth of data pinpointing region, constellation and solar system. It would also allow copying them to be extremly fast... as you could zip up a portion of your BMs and wisk them through the email system to your buddies. I thought for sure that's where they were... but apparently, they are actually on the servers. I'm sorry CCP, but such peaces of data should be client side. I suppose CCP doesn't do client side BMs becuase of the possibility, or likelyhood, someone would figure out how to manually edit the coordinates... well... you could use public keys, and have the BMs labeled but coordinates wrapped in a SSH encryption and the private key used by the servers to encrypt the data. That way, noone would be able to edit the coordinates by hand. The amount of processing overhead the server would encur on encryption routines might be less than the overall problems of keeping all of this data centralized. Also, this data has to be stored read/write optimized... and that implies IO bandwidth to disk, while most encryption schemes are purely within memory. Just a thought. A prince ought to have no other aim or thought, nor select anything else for his study, than war and its rules and discipline... --Nicolo Machiavelli (1505 AD)
Father Weebles RoadKill Pickup Services	Posted - 2006.08.30 03:37:00 - [19] gfg ccp
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.08.30 03:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Durethia why don't they just allow the BMs to be stored locally on the computer? They can not possibly be anything more than a set of coordinates. Perhaps a few more bytes worth of data pinpointing region, constellation and solar system. Because it would take about 2 seconds for someone to write a program that allows you to patch your local data to have bookmarks to arbitrary coordinates.. --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Tonkin Singularity.	Posted - 2006.08.30 03:44:00 - [21] i make my own bms. more reliable will kill anythin for the right price
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.08.30 21:01:00 - [22] Originally by: Durethia why don't they just allow the BMs to be stored locally on the computer? They can not possibly be anything more than a set of coordinates. Perhaps a few more bytes worth of data pinpointing region, constellation and solar system. It would also allow copying them to be extremly fast... as you could zip up a portion of your BMs and wisk them through the email system to your buddies. I thought for sure that's where they were... but apparently, they are actually on the servers. I'm sorry CCP, but such peaces of data should be client side. I suppose CCP doesn't do client side BMs becuase of the possibility, or likelyhood, someone would figure out how to manually edit the coordinates... well... you could use public keys, and have the BMs labeled but coordinates wrapped in a SSH encryption and the private key used by the servers to encrypt the data. That way, noone would be able to edit the coordinates by hand. The amount of processing overhead the server would encur on encryption routines might be less than the overall problems of keeping all of this data centralized. Also, this data has to be stored read/write optimized... and that implies IO bandwidth to disk, while most encryption schemes are purely within memory. Just a thought. /signed Ore Mongers' 3rd lotto
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.30 21:04:00 - [23] People refuse to accept that instas, which CCP NEVER WANTED IN THE GAME, are going to be gone some day. Having to spend time travelling across a Galaxy? The nerve of it all!
Tao Han Caldari Crucial Electronics	Posted - 2006.08.30 21:09:00 - [24] Hurrah, that means that CCP might have a plan for getting rid of instas. Altough it sucks for ppl without BM's. (Like me, but I willing to "suffer" for the greater good).
JabJabVVV The Four Aces Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.30 21:11:00 - [25] From reading the dev blog it sounds as if this is being implemented to reduce server load not to make BM's less attractive, apparently an insta replacement is in the pipe line (although I believe that has been the case for a while now :P ). As far as I can see: if it's a choice between having to actually sit at the computer while copying BM's (What, no more free money making while afk, what an insane idea!) or less lag; I'll go with less lag every time.
ching'sta Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.30 21:17:00 - [26] Damn i know i should have copy the Metropolis set a couple of days ago when i had it on my mind [center] 27.4.2004 - Hellmar is worried that you don't get a notification if you are cargo scanned by someone. Internally dismiss
Robbie Boozecruise Caldari Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.08.30 21:35:00 - [27] ^^ stupid alt not even the right alt that im selling either
Golden Jenni	Posted - 2006.08.30 21:35:00 - [28] did i mention i was selling my character that has them all on there anyway view of BM's
Jack Thurner Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.30 21:40:00 - [29] Edited by: Jack Thurner on 30/08/2006 21:40:49 Just fit a bloody MWD on yer ship.. screw 'em bm's!
Miss Overlord Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2006.08.30 21:43:00 - [30] Originally by: JabJabVVV From reading the dev blog it sounds as if this is being implemented to reduce server load not to make BM's less attractive, apparently an insta replacement is in the pipe line (although I believe that has been the case for a while now :P ). As far as I can see: if it's a choice between having to actually sit at the computer while copying BM's (What, no more free money making while afk, what an insane idea!) or less lag; I'll go with less lag every time. 100% agreed here no wonder they are whining - might mean those NPC heavy missions are more doable to

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