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Epikurus
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Posted - 2014.11.20 18:07:25 -
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RavenTesio wrote:
As for the rest, I don't know; had to step away (still not properly back to playing much yet) but the sentiment I've been getting, is one of guys who have just be absolutely broken. I mean low-moral has often been something you deal with being Caldari, but this is not a case of just being knocked down... we had the absolute **** beaten out of us until there was damn near nothing recognisable left.
Speak for yourself! A year ago my corp was filled with sub 3mil sp characters flying Atrons. Six months ago getting regular logi and ewar in CalMil fleets was almost impossible and the number of FCs taking fleets out was tiny. In Kehjari back in May CalMil couldn't field a T1 cruiser doctrine to contest the medium plexes. Until recently CalMil corps had no strategic ship reserves for system battles.
Now there are multiple fleets every night spread across a large number of FCs, logi and ewar are a given for anything over T1 frigs, and T2 cruisers are starting to become a regular thing. My experience, and I think I speak for most of my corp and alliance here, has been one of constant improvement and development. We started a long way behind the Gallente and that has challenged us to constantly push forward and learn how to do new things and how to do old things better. Of course, they have been developing into bigger and better stuff along the way as well so we haven't exactly caught up but many of the groups who have stayed in the militia have improved dramatically in their capabilities and approaches to combat. I see that as a big win and morale where I am is as good or better than it has ever been.
Of course, if you base your view of success on the state of the war-zone then your morale may well be in the dumpster. But the state of the warzone is not within the control of any individual pilot, corp or alliance. If you use your own development as your criterion for success then quite a few Caldari corps have a lot to be happy about.
Edit - Also, congratulations to the Gallente for the longest period yet without a circlejerk thread. It's been literally months! Resetting the timer now. |

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Posted - 2014.11.23 19:00:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote: So much this. GalMil got as good as we are because several corps simply refused to leave lowsec, and refused to back down in spite of the apparent odds. CalMil used to have that too - I recall being so exhausted after grinding down Kehjari that Templis / HECON / GHIOT and company simply brick walled us in Kinnaka. Fighting with your back to the wall and a grin on your face is one of the best experiences EVE has to offer.
Kehjari was definitely a high point in my time in FW. It was the first time CalMil managed to supply a system defence operation properly and had coherent doctrines and FCing. I'm still a little bitter about how much impact DUST had on that battle ... |

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Posted - 2014.11.23 20:50:17 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Epikurus wrote:Kehjari was definitely a high point in my time in FW. It was the first time CalMil managed to supply a system defence operation properly and had coherent doctrines and FCing. I'm still a little bitter about how much impact DUST had on that battle ... The ironic part is that as much as you all were despondent when it was in our favor, just about the time ya'll gave up it swung back. We had to plex for another 5-6 hours unopposed before we could flip the system. If you guys had kept hammering away it would have taken even longer.
Aye - after two days of one way DUST movement cancelling out all the work we were doing to hold the system steady we were just convinced it was a mechanic that you guys had a lock down on and that we didn't understand. Nudging over 92% late on Sunday when we knew that your AU tz would pull another 10% after we logged made it look like it was time to call it off. We only worked out later that the DUST swing coming at exactly the same time as your push was entirely coincidental but at the time it had a big effect on morale to see that even when we were winning we were still losing control by the hour. Live and learn 
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Posted - 2014.11.24 09:18:21 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Dread Operative wrote:CalMil did pretty good today from what I hear. Squids form up for ganking on gates all the time. Its a shame they only form for fights when someone is holding their hands. Still, its good to see SNUFD arnt too prideful to admit they need help to fight us :)
SNUFF 'held our hands' but needed us to help them fight you? It's almost as if two groups who would each be outnumbered and outgunned by themselves went on a successful and well thought out joint op. |

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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:32:44 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Epikurus wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Dread Operative wrote:CalMil did pretty good today from what I hear. Squids form up for ganking on gates all the time. Its a shame they only form for fights when someone is holding their hands. Still, its good to see SNUFD arnt too prideful to admit they need help to fight us :) SNUFF 'held our hands' but needed us to help them fight you? It's almost as if two groups who would each be outnumbered and outgunned by themselves went on a successful and well thought out joint op. I think thats exactly what i said, no?
Same informational content but with the unnecessary and slightly incoherent sneering removed. I know it's second nature to you and you probably can't see when you're doing it after all this time but, no, not exactly the same. |

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Posted - 2014.11.24 12:22:15 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Epikurus wrote:Same informational content but with the unnecessary and slightly incoherent sneering removed. I know it's second nature to you and you probably can't see when you're doing it after all this time but, no, not exactly the same. Ironically, your use of the word 'incoherent' can not be accurately applied to my post. Maybe you meant a different word? Also, pride is often a negative attribute. Therefor i was paying SNUFD a compliment in saying that they have non. I think you are reading too much into my comment :)
I qualified 'incoherent' with 'slightly' as your jabs don't quite add up. When you say that one group is 'hand holding' another it implies a one-way relationship of dependency, specifically evoking the dependency of a child on an adult. Yet at the same time you say that the group that was apparently doing the hand holding actually depended on the other group for their victory, which suggests a rather different relationship. Hence you were 'slightly incoherent' as the imagery of the two attempted insults didn't quite come together properly.
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Epikurus
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:06:53 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Epikurus wrote: I qualified 'incoherent' with 'slightly' as your jabs don't quite add up. When you say that one group is 'hand holding' another it implies a one-way relationship of dependency, specifically evoking the dependency of a child on an adult. Yet at the same time you say that the group that was apparently doing the hand holding actually depended on the other group for their victory, which suggests a rather different relationship. Hence you were 'slightly incoherent' as the imagery of the two attempted insults didn't quite come together properly.
Except i didnt say cal mil needed their hands holding to gain a victory, i literally said they needed their hands holding to form a fighting fleet rather than an evasive camping / ganking one. Saying squids need their hands held to reach victory would be inaccurate since their camping fleets do often kill the odd dude on a gate and run away from fights. Which would be a victory by their own conditions lol. Problem is you are posting mad and have strawmaned my comment for like 2/3rds of a page now.
You're not making a whole lot of sense mate and I have no reason to be mad - you guys lost  |

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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:58:28 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
The only time calmil fights us is when they have a 3rd party like BL or SNUFD. Both have encouraged squids to form and fight nearly a half dozen times each over the years, SNUFD witth he longer history of doing so.
All other times its just camping and evasion.
This is so obviously untrue I don't understand why you are even attempting to spin this line. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:34:11 -
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50-70 man fleets are rare, although we lost one to you guys just a couple of weeks ago and have had fleets towards the lower end of that level out multiple times a week for the last month. They also have nothing to do with the snuff fight, for which we fielded a small frigate support wing of about 35 guys, which is pretty par for the course for a short notice weekend fleet.
Quote: That said, i cant remember the last time that i had to say that my posting is based on my own perspective and experience and may not reflect a perfectly objective reality. Though it seems that in our interactions, that now would be the time to clear that up for your sake and anyone else that might be very easily confused.
If you want your statements to be read as just your personal experience and as reflecting your own limited perspective then I suggest you avoid absolutist language that generalises over all experiences and all fleets. Also, if you intend to restrict things to your personal perspective you might try phrasing statements such as
Quote: The only time calmil fights us ...
as
Quote: The only time I have been in a fight with calmil ...
or
Quote: All other times its just camping and evasion.
as
Quote: In my extremely limited personal experience, which is clearly in no way representative of the militia as a whole, I have only experienced calmil fleets involved in camping or evasion.
That way what you say will be, you know, possibly verging on accurate ...
It will, of course, also contribute nothing to the current discussion as it will make no attempt to represent the actual state of affairs beyond the perspective of a single pilot.
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Epikurus
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Posted - 2014.11.26 15:02:14 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Epikurus wrote: If you want your statements to be read as just your personal experience and as reflecting your own limited perspective then I suggest you avoid absolutist language
Why should i? They are absolutely my perspective.
Because it's an abuse of language to frame what you admit is your personal perspective as if it is impersonal objective fact. It also displays a rather disturbing egocentricism, verging on solipsism, to think that the language of absolutes is appropriate for any single individual's experiences. But most of all, you should avoid that language because it looks so damn feeble when you back-peddle from statements that are clearly untrue and start whining 'but it's just my own opinion so I can say whatever I like without being held responsible for its accuracy!'. |
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Epikurus
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:05:36 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Accusing people of backpedaling for simply clarifying their position that was somewhat misrepresented. Thats a pretty classy strategy, that certainly lends weight to your new role as tedious debate champ.
The classy thing would be for you to admit that your 'personal perspective' was inaccurate and failed to represent reality. I mean, that's what you've done, really, by saying 'it's just a personal perspective' rather than actually trying to defend your inaccurate claims, but it would be more becoming to just come out and straight-forwardly say, 'Yep, I was wrong on that'. |

Epikurus
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:49:05 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Ive already clarified the scope of my commentary on calmil. It shouldve been obvious, but i didnt realise i had to cater for other peoples autism.
Makes objective statements then states it should have been obvious that the views were purely subjective and not a judgement about the real state of the warzone. No, no ... makes total sense.
Also, that's some seriously high-school level of insult you've graduated to now. Guess it's easier to go down that route than grounding your attacks in facts. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:19:09 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Obviously the guy with 218 lifetime kills, and none this month, is a master of the warzone and has an omnipotent view of most of the goings on in the region.
I'm retired and probably have a better idea of what is going on than him.
We're really falling back on KB statistics now are we? I mean ... really? Ignore the fact that this alt is the CEO of one of the biggest Cal Mil alliances and really, reflect deeply on what you've just done because you deserve to feel very bad about it regardless. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:31:28 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:Epikurus wrote:Thanatos Marathon wrote:Obviously the guy with 218 lifetime kills, and none this month, is a master of the warzone and has an omnipotent view of most of the goings on in the region.
I'm retired and probably have a better idea of what is going on than him. We're really falling back on KB statistics now are we? I mean ... really? Ignore the fact that this alt is the CEO of one of the biggest Cal Mil alliances and really, reflect deeply on what you've just done because you deserve to feel very bad about it regardless. Oh, so you are a forum troll as well as someone who is partially responsible for the terrible shape that Caldari has been in since TEST left? This makes the crap you spew better how?
Good switch back mate. You've gone from saying I don't know anything about the state of the warzone because of my kill count on this character to I don't know anything because I'm a CEO? That's pretty damn desperate. And calling me a forum troll while you are defending Crosi ... really?
It's kind of amusing that you guys are so easily riled by someone simply questioning Crosi's bullshit. The speed at which all that forum swagger collapses into the most juvenile level of ad hominem attacks possible is just incredible.
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Posted - 2014.11.26 19:44:26 -
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When someone descends to the level of arguing from KB stats to knowledge of the warzone it's perfectly reasonable to point out that there is other data they should factor in. That is so manifestly obvious that I know you know it to be true despite your attempts to spin my comment into an ego thing.
Quote: And also, you are implying that people are defending me because they are criticizing you.
Arguing that I am wrong to be criticising you because of 'killboards' is a defence of you. As far as I can see there has been no criticism of me at all, just attempts to divert from the topic by ranting about irrelevant stats.
Crosi Wesdo wrote: My alt corp has more effect on the warzone than this bloc thing.
uh-huh
Do you really not see how far you're sinking. We're hitting kindergarten levels here now. |

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Posted - 2014.11.26 21:39:05 -
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Deacon Abox wrote: Give up, you will lose (in the sense you will end up temporarily losing your mind)
Brains are already leaking out of my ears. This is good advice. |

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Posted - 2014.11.27 00:46:25 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:When trying to determine how you could be so wrong despite piles of evidence presented to you in multiple threads I had to look somewhere. If you want to understand the warzone better you might want to try undocking from time to time and doing stuff.
What exactly is it you think I'm wrong about? The only claim I have made about the warzone is that Crosi was wildly incorrect in stating that we only form as we did on Sunday when having our hands held by 3rd parties and that the only other things we ever do are gate camp and run. Even he is now saying that's not objectively true. It's so obviously untrue I'm amazed that any discussion is needed. |

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Posted - 2014.11.27 02:08:50 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Epikurus wrote:I have no problem with the thread - a regular GalMil circle-jerk has become something of a tradition in this forum. Crosi making stuff up out of wholecloth and people using killboard stats as a criterion for credibility though ... it feels like there are a few people here channeling CAOD circa 2009. It's hard not to circle jerk when the Federation Militia had 404 final blow (MILITIA only) kills yesterday while the Caldari Militia had 228. It's been like this for quite a while (2400 kills for the past week vs. 1390 for you guys.) In any case, I think some sort of perspective is in order here. My 185 man alliance has 2,814 total kills this month - AND IT'S A FREAKING SLOW MONTH!. We have guys bored to tears that there aren't any fights around. Your 313 man alliance has 864 total kills and you're all "Hey we fly lots of fleets man, we really do!". It's been several months since we took the warzone. You guys should have respawned a bit stronger by now. So yeah, you guys are out in space doing something with somebody whatever. Congrats. You know where Rakapas is. Come and take it.
We have a 66 man mining corp on the books in our alliance from the days when we kept a null system on the side for PvE. Another 60 pilots are in corps who have been with us for under a week and we also have plenty of alts in the alliance. So, I wouldn't place too much weight on raw numbers . It's also been a very slow month for us. Normally we kill in the 1200-1500 range, which in comparison to anyone except the top GalMil corps is pretty damn decent. Hell, we would still place in the middle of the top 10 militia corps pretty much every month even if we were in GalMil.
That said, I would never dream of contesting the fact that you guys kill lots more than us and are pound for pound stronger and uglier. You also do a hell of a lot more solo and micro-gang stuff. Hopefully one day we can build up to the same level of capability but for the moment we're happy with the rate at which we're developing and it would be foolish of us to expect to be on a level with you when we've been growing from a standing start of zero PvP experience and a handful of noobs a year ago. |

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Posted - 2014.11.27 10:55:22 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Epikurus wrote:Despite that, I don't see you talking down to Moira. or Aideron or any of the other Gal corps outside the top five in the same way. Yeah well they put in their fair share of pvp, and they're under the same "starving for kills" situation we're in. Anyways, I'm sure you guys fly around in 30 man fleets everywhere. It's just that we're (including Crosi) not seeing them - probably because our side of the warzone is dead. My guess is AIDER and RDRAW probably see these fleets more often than us.
It's true that most of the action we're seeing is over in the east the last 5-6 weeks. We would love to see more closer to home but we rarely find significant gangs when we roam around west Black Rise and when we do it tends to be SCUM rather than GalMil. It's a vicious circle, I suppose as there is no motivation for Gal gangs to hang around in the west when we're roaming the east either. Maybe we can drop some advance notice in your public channel when we're going to be in the west and try to break the cycle. |

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Posted - 2014.11.28 00:44:48 -
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Moglarr wrote:Epikurus wrote: It's true that most of the action we're seeing is over in the east the last 5-6 weeks. We would love to see more closer to home but we rarely find significant gangs when we roam around west Black Rise and when we do it tends to be SCUM rather than GalMil. It's a vicious circle, I suppose as there is no motivation for Gal gangs to hang around in the west when we're roaming the east either. Maybe we can drop some advance notice in your public channel when we're going to be in the west and try to break the cycle.
... From what I see, the majority of Bloc's kills are in Black Rise and against the Black Rise Gallente groups Bastard Cartel, Villore Accords and Bebop. In the past few days, I don't see any kills that indicate fleets of more than 5. Except for one kill on the 25th, which is when I got tired of skimming zkill stats. I have seen Bloc roams out our way, but I don't remember the date I last saw one to check the KB for. ...
I did say west Black Rise (meaning the 'western' portion as depicted on the warzone map on dotlan - http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Caldari_VS_Gallente), which is where we live. For the past two months every system in our top ten has been to the east of this area (https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98248053/top/year/2014/month/10/ https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98248053/top/year/2014/month/11/).
Quote: In the past few days, I don't see any kills that indicate fleets of more than 5. Except for one kill on the 25th, which is when I got tired of skimming zkill stats.
A two day sample isn't really going to reveal much. However, you obviously haven't looked very hard even at that sample because I found a dozen or so from one page of the KB on the 26th flicking through at random. Most of the ewar kills in the Hik fight on Sunday also look something like this: https://zkillboard.com/kill/42593560/.
Edit - Looking again, I can only assume you were perusing someone else's killboard ... |
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Epikurus
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Posted - 2014.11.28 09:54:47 -
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Moglarr wrote:I'm willing to stand corrected, I meant no offense Epikurus. I quickly looked over the kills on the KB for Bloc, trying to find any signs of fleet kills so I was looking for kills that happened within a minute or two of each other. I quickly checked the 26th and the 25th (I only mention this because you linked a kill from the 24th) I was simply pointing out most of the kills I saw had less than 10 pilots, and none happened within a minute or two of each other. Which implies to me that there is a decent amount of small gang activity.
No probs mate. We've had a bit of an uptick in solo and small gang stuff the last few days with the addition of some new corps and regular (small) AU tz fleets running out on top of our normal EU and US roams. It's a positive development for us but our bread and butter is still medium size roams, which we send out at least twice a day every day. However, the more we can embed the very small gang and solo work and spread that experience and knowledge around the better, as it's something we have been lacking in the past. |

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Posted - 2014.11.29 23:29:24 -
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That's pretty spectacular work whatever side you're looking at it from  |

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Posted - 2014.12.02 14:45:41 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:
What is the current situation with the Cal/Gal warzone these days? How's the population balance? What tier is the Caldari/Gallente at? and the general situation?
Tier is Cal 1, Gal 2. Population leaning towards the Gallente overall but more significantly there are considerably higher numbers of committed pilots in the front-line Gallente corps. Current Gallente dominance of the warzone prevails following their clean sweep a few months ago, although they have allowed CalMil a few footholds having realised that it is actually very boring to get rid of your enemy completely. Caldari are trying to rebuild and catch up with the doctrinal advantage the Gallente have wielded for the past many months but the Gals are forging ahead themselves into the new realms opened up by Phoebe.
tl;dr - come help CalMil - we're on the back foot in terms of both numbers and experience. |

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Posted - 2014.12.10 18:58:34 -
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Dread Operative wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:The difference between us and you guys is that we get accused of using Snufd, waffles, scum etc even though there are literally no occasions where we work with them. Seriously, there has been more times this year that we worked with calmil to beat snufd than we have ever worked with anyone to beat calmil. By us and we do you mean all of GalMil or just you specifically? Before you banned my main TS3 account we was working with GalMil quite frequently and had a no shoot agreement while you guys were fighting with PASTA (what happened to them?) and I still get contact by two specific GalMil CEOs requesting assistance or giving Intel. Was pretty broad of a statment so I am looking for clarification.
Don't forget, when Crosi makes generalised statements that appear to be objective claims about how things really are they're actually just, like, his opinion man. |

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Posted - 2014.12.16 00:53:50 -
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Jeann Valjean wrote:You are literally driving our FC's out of the warzone from boredom, which would be brilliant strategy if it was intentional.
You underestimate the depth of our strategic brilliance 
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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:17:31 -
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SmokinJs Arthie wrote:Moglarr wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Moglarr wrote:Well if you keep letting systems flip I am sure Innia will be Caldari again, and you won't have to worry about it. ;) We're hoping that by giving you some wins in non-core systems it'll get you guys on your feet again. We'll see what happens when you start pushing against more core systems. Letting systems fall with no resistance doesn't help anyone. It is also boring for everyone involved. I don't think you guys can stop the flips in BR. It is cute that you say you're "letting" it happen. I like how your extensive spai network has neglected to mention the mails we had stating that if we let squids take kinakka it is beneficial to our pew pew.
That sort of thing is a pretty standard morale booster. When you know you can't stop something happening you just say, 'The plan is to not stop this thing happening!' and claim success through your loss.
The various pings to form fleets to contest hub bashes in west Black Rise never really happened either. |

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Posted - 2014.12.19 20:38:10 -
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SmokinJs Arthie wrote:
And how many times where you farmed on the Akidagi IHUB till you simply gave up? Was it 3 or 4, I forget. And that was when you had RAZOR with you.
Had who with us? |

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Posted - 2014.12.20 01:06:41 -
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SmokinJs Arthie wrote:Epikurus wrote:SmokinJs Arthie wrote:
And how many times where you farmed on the Akidagi IHUB till you simply gave up? Was it 3 or 4, I forget. And that was when you had RAZOR with you.
Had who with us? Remembering anything that happened more then a month ago definitely goes again squid narrative.
Who needs memory when you can run a battle report for the relevant day, see how many RAZOR pilots were involved in the system during the whole day, sort them into a team by themselves, then look at their losses and kills as well as the line graph which tells you what periods of the day they were doing stuff. |
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