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Louisa Torres	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:07:00 - [31] Originally by: Jim McGregor I think 10.000 is pretty good.. what did TQ have when it went live? 6000? I dont know, personally im just happy if ccp is successful both in China and Europe. But im strange. 6k on a sunday, 3 to 4 during the week. Agreed though, wish CCP all the best with Serenity.
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:08:00 - [32] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Why is Serenity failing? What happened to all those subscribers? My guess is that most of the Chinese players decided that they would rather keep playing TQ for reasons that you could probably guess. --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Kaomi Zorbaz	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:10:00 - [33] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Why is Serenity failing? What happened to all those subscribers? Might not be a great opportunity to farm like they can in other games. In this game you go into 0.0 to farm and you may end up spending more time picking up the pieces than getting anything done. If you cant farm, you cant sell on ebay.
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:11:00 - [34] Edited by: Surly Bob on 30/08/2006 17:12:13 Originally by: Eris Discordia Originally by: Surly Bob Originally by: Celestal So how exactly is serenity getting a patch earlier then TQ considered to be of negative benefit to us?. Because every nerf on Serenity is a stealth nerf to us, 3 months later, when we get their code. Why? because we don't know what they are changing on Serenity, and we aren't even allowed to log on there to find out. A change isn¦t a ¦nerf¦ by default, sometimes changes are for the better (better overall performance of the hamsters is one of them). And who said that Serenity will get everything sooner? Some content will be released first on TQ you know Time to take off your foil hat now maybe? Foil hat, cute. Why are our patchnotes still incomplete, when months of testing on Serenity would have shaken out all of the changes that "fell through the craks"? --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Loyal Servant Caldari Cornhole Inc. The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:12:00 - [35] Originally by: Eris Discordia Originally by: Surly Bob Originally by: Celestal So how exactly is serenity getting a patch earlier then TQ considered to be of negative benefit to us?. Because every nerf on Serenity is a stealth nerf to us, 3 months later, when we get their code. Why? because we don't know what they are changing on Serenity, and we aren't even allowed to log on there to find out. A change isn¦t a ¦nerf¦ by default, sometimes changes are for the better (better overall performance of the hamsters is one of them). And who said that Serenity will get everything sooner? Some content will be released first on TQ you know Time to take off your foil hat now maybe? OK, hold up. Remember the patch notes said the queues would be disabled? Remember people getting REALLY UPSET when it was in the patch notes? Remember when it was turned on and it was 'by accident' it will be disabled? Now, you say in another set of patch notes (you meaning CCP) That the queues will indeed remain active? IS that not a stealth nerf? It is called LYING. your guys are LIARS. lie1 /laɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, lied, ly‧ing. ûnoun 1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time. Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
Anxia Ferinus Vis	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:13:00 - [36] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: DigitalCommunist Why is Serenity failing? What happened to all those subscribers? I would assume that they didn't subscribe for whatever reason after the open beta... This how I understood it as well. There was a peak of 38,000 concurrent people during beta and it has been falling off since money was required for playing. Thats generally how it goes with online games, though. Theres the big wave at the begining due to the marketing/hype, and it falls off to an actual player base a few months down the road. My hope is that CCP and their partners are able to market EVE in a way so an Asian market can "get it" better then I have seen in the US. Maybe I am not the correct target demographic, but I don't believe I have ever seen an advertisement for EVE. I was introduced to the game via word of mouth, and have since introduced the game to people the same way, and so on. Perhaps the euro-based marketing channels have been utilized differently. --Anxia
Yumi Katanawe	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:17:00 - [37] Read somewhere here Serenity is a franchise, so it isn't directly managed by ccp, they just provide the backend. If I were ccp i'd stablish in korea and market this as Starcraft the MMO - they might get a lawsuit or two, but it'd be profitable.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:19:00 - [38] Edited by: Death Kill on 30/08/2006 17:20:40 Originally by: Loyal Servant Remember when it was turned on and it was 'by accident' it will be disabled? Remmeber the 'uber yardware' that were to reduce lag etc etc etc. Screw that, the new implemented que system is the new way of handling lag Recruitment
Kaomi Zorbaz	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Yumi Katanawe Read somewhere here Serenity is a franchise, so it isn't directly managed by ccp, they just provide the backend. If I were ccp i'd stablish in korea and market this as Starcraft the MMO - they might get a lawsuit or two, but it'd be profitable. More like "homeworld" the MMORPG. Hell the minnies have a ship that looks like the "mothership" from the game :D
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:22:00 - [40] Why would the Chinese play on a China server anyways? Farming on that server is not gonna do them any good... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
RichThugster Gallente Novus Aequitas	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:24:00 - [41] personally id much rather patches were implemented on serenity first. it means when its implemented on here, then the patch has been mass tested, bugs ironed out, and we are much less likely to have extended, extended downtimes, and such. As Eris said, devs, who produce the game and content, cant read chineese. Therefore the ideas and suggestions still come from us. Simply China is a HUGE test server. Originally by: KIATolon I just got owned
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Bhaal Why would the Chinese play on a China server anyways? Farming on that server is not gonna do them any good... Posts like that, show your stupdity. Anyone with any reasonable amount of skill at investigating such things (see ebay, the farming sites, etc) will show you that most the people 'farming' and selling isk are from Russia/EU/USA. Something people have pointed out before. --------
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:28:00 - [43] Originally by: The Enslaver Originally by: Bhaal Why would the Chinese play on a China server anyways? Farming on that server is not gonna do them any good... Posts like that, show your stupdity. Anyone with any reasonable amount of skill at investigating such things (see ebay, the farming sites, etc) will show you that most the people 'farming' and selling isk are from Russia/EU/USA. Something people have pointed out before. Next time I'll use the sarcasm filter... Sheesh... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:30:00 - [44] Originally by: RichThugster personally id much rather patches were implemented on serenity first. it means when its implemented on here, then the patch has been mass tested, bugs ironed out, and we are much less likely to have extended, extended downtimes, and such. Nice theory. Too bad that every patch since Serenity opened (and became the main server) has been a complete fiasco. If this is patch deployment improvement, the poor folks on Serenity must be going down for weeks at a time. Seriously, all I want is complete patchnotes for Serenity and Tranquility, like a week before they go live. Is that an unreasonable request? --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Idaeus Gallente Crimson Wings Squadron	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Eris Discordia Time to take off your foil hat now maybe? But it's the only way I can pick up HD Radio +IOI?
Vincae Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:31:00 - [46] Before you start thinking about it like that, mull over the following: From a recent game industry research site: DFC Intelligence report "First, however, it is important to debunk a persistent myth about WoW's success. The confusion results from WoW's status as a truly global game. We know, from the game's Chinese operator the9, that Warcraft has 5 million Chinese players. Of course, this is a terrific feat as WoW became the first Western game to penetrate the dense and difficult Chinese market. However, these Chinese users are not subscribers in the Western sense of the word: they do not pay a recurring monthly fee. In fact, they generate about 0.36 yuan per hour of gameplay; that's about 4 cents an hour. Of course, Chinese users log a lot of hours. In the second quarter of 2006, World of Warcraft generated $32 million. While this is a substantial sum in the Chinese MMOG world, 5 million Western subscribers would have generated more than $200 million over the same time period. Thus, Chinese players generate about 15% as much revenue as their Western neighbors." I realize that the article quotes numbers for another game, but we have to remember that in order to remain competitive in a market, companies providing the same type of service must charge roughly the same amount. If CCP's chinese server is running at 38,000 players concurrent, it's still probably only generating as much revenue as a Tranquility server running at 5500-6000 players. Of course, this doesn't take into account subscriptions that are inactive but still paid for. Such subscriptions wouldn't necessarily generate revenue under the standard Chinese MMOG model, but still do under a western one. Is it profitable to run the Chinese shard? Perhaps. It very much depends on the costs involved. It certainly takes a bit more on CCPs part to localize & maintain a localized client, but that's no where near what creating another game would cost. At any rate, I don't think there's any reason why focus would change from Tranquility to the Chinese server unless EVE hit a massive subscriber influx in China, something along the lines of 150,000 concurrent or more. Blizzard's focus hasn't shifted from the western market despite having 5x as many active subs on their asian servers. It's not unreasonable to think that CCP would be any different.
Kage Getsu Lordless Unbrella Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:34:00 - [47] Why is it that the EVE universe has at least 3 planets inhabited solely by Asian-looking people? I can understand Minmatar tribes being homogenous, but it doesn't make sense for everyone from a single planet to all look like the same race. Planets have differing climates and stuff that produces people with different skin, hair, and eyes. Own a piece of the biggest scammer in EVE history!
Eldwinn	Posted - 2006.08.30 17:49:00 - [48] Edited by: Eldwinn on 30/08/2006 17:49:40 Ohh Surly, how I love you so
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:10:00 - [49] Come on guys, pull your heads out. Serenity players are paying less than a fifth than TQ players, and they have about a fourth of the concurrent users. The only reason there were ever 35k concurrent users is the the serive was FREE. And FREE means something is China because people don't have a lot of money. People eat for a month on $15. You can eat very well for $15 a week. One decent quality sandwich costs $7 where I live! The same quality meal would cost a little over $1 in China, and there are many options for much less. Serenity is a rounding error on CCP's financial statements. Maybe one day that will change, but 10 years at least. - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - Little known fact: If DS had RL money, he would have lost it in Enron.
var'ulfur Caldari blackwater	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:18:00 - [50] i like cheese all cheese godia, munster, blue? with all the whining i get to eat more cheese please people get over it i dont care if they get the code from mint jelly coverd jovian hookers as long as it makes the game play better im all for it.. the new dragon code set us up for kali i seem to have few issues with it,but maybe im just too happy i dont know talk is cheap the cost of action is enormus
Nerf Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:35:00 - [51] Edited by: Nerf Caldari on 30/08/2006 18:36:08 Originally by: Loyal Servant Originally by: Eris Discordia Originally by: Surly Bob Originally by: Celestal So how exactly is serenity getting a patch earlier then TQ considered to be of negative benefit to us?. Because every nerf on Serenity is a stealth nerf to us, 3 months later, when we get their code. Why? because we don't know what they are changing on Serenity, and we aren't even allowed to log on there to find out. A change isn¦t a ¦nerf¦ by default, sometimes changes are for the better (better overall performance of the hamsters is one of them). And who said that Serenity will get everything sooner? Some content will be released first on TQ you know Time to take off your foil hat now maybe? OK, hold up. Remember the patch notes said the queues would be disabled? Remember people getting REALLY UPSET when it was in the patch notes? Remember when it was turned on and it was 'by accident' it will be disabled? Now, you say in another set of patch notes (you meaning CCP) That the queues will indeed remain active? IS that not a stealth nerf? It is called LYING. your guys are LIARS. lie1 /laɪ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lahy] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, lied, ly‧ing. ûnoun 1.a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood. And gasp where has the dev response gone now? Oh my god! When somone brought up a real issue, the devs magically dissappeared! How amazing is that!I would have never guessed that that would happen! IBTL!
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:36:00 - [52] I hear the sun rises earlier for them as well. I smell a conspiracy. This is totally unfair. Obviously we are now second class citizens in the world. Nerfed by God.
Dr Happy	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:41:00 - [53] Originally by: MrTripps Quote: will be permitted to enjoy changes designed for the Asian markets, debated by the Asian players, and pre-implemented on the Asian server So? On Chinese new year we will get a mod that shoots Hello Kittys. It will rock. Chill out and have an egg roll. funny thing is egg rols where invented in the united states
Maya Rkell Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:41:00 - [54] Eris, with all due respect "traffic management mk 2" has come to us thanks to China, and There has allready been at least one major engagement decided because one side could not get many of their ships in. The queues. The nerf to BM copying. All this... It's not a tinfoil hat when we really don't understand what's going on. I think CCP does very well in some areas, and more poorly in others. Well, this is a "more poorly" area. Kage Getsu, actually that's quite simple. A lot of power blocks which are single-ethnic sponsored the settlement. And it takes a LONG time for phenotypes to change. //Maya
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:45:00 - [55] Let's not forget that CCP ISN'T running EVE in china. It's being licenced out as part of a franchise. If China fails, CCP don't fail outright. Optical Communications or whatever they are called that host the server will get the boot. Because CCP isn't directly running the Serenity branch, their content support will always run through TQ first. It's simply much more convenient than going to a third party with their new stuff first, then taking it into TQ, their home server. TQ is also generating more revenue for CCP, like has been mentioned. So... we have practical, financial and cultural reasons for CCP to continue with TQ as their "home" server. All this "WAH! CHINA SERVER SHARD" whining has gone far enough, pretty much all bases have been covered, all questions answered, and most arguments against it these days are based on ignorance. Try reading a little next time. ---- Nothing I ever say is official
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:45:00 - [56] Likely by Chinese immigrants in San Francisco. Never has an egg role myself in China, but I lived in the North and I think they would be more prevelant in the South if the existed at all. - - - -- - - - -- - - - -- - - - Little known fact: If DS had RL money, he would have lost it in Enron.
Surly Bob The Church of Violentology	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:49:00 - [57] Originally by: Raem Civrie Try reading a little next time. Physician, heal thyself. --- Add a MANUAL 0km warp option. Leave autopilot at 15km ranges. Done. All fixed.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:50:00 - [58] Originally by: Dr Happy Originally by: MrTripps Quote: will be permitted to enjoy changes designed for the Asian markets, debated by the Asian players, and pre-implemented on the Asian server So? On Chinese new year we will get a mod that shoots Hello Kittys. It will rock. Chill out and have an egg roll. funny thing is egg rols where invented in the united states Egg roll From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia An egg roll (Chinese: pinyin: dan juǎn) is an appetizer which was originally eaten on the continent of Asia but has spread throughout the world as a staple of Asian cuisine. It is said by some that the spring roll led to the creation of the egg roll. The origin of the egg roll is unknown; many Asian countries are claimed to have originated the dish, and variants of the egg roll exist in multiple Asian cuisines (such as the Vietnamese chả gi=). Southern China is the most likely source, as it stems from features of Cantonese cuisine. An egg roll is made by wrapping a combination of chopped vegetables (often mostly cabbage), meat, and sometimes noodles, in a sheet of dough, then deep frying it. It can be closed or open ended. When compared with its cousin, the spring roll, the egg roll is generally larger; has a thicker, puffier skin; is crunchier; and has more filling than the spring roll. However, the terms "spring roll" and "egg roll" are often used somewhat interchangeably. The eggroll wrapper is wheat flour and egg-based while the spring roll is sometimes rice-based. In mainland China, many Chinese-speaking regions of Asia, and Chinese immigrant communities around the world, egg roll can also refer to an egg-based, flute-shaped pastry, with typically yellowish, flaky crust often eaten as a sweet snack or dessert. Some varieties are made with sesame seeds or other flavorings/toppings, such as chocolate, cream, or strawberry.
Dr Happy	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:53:00 - [59] Originally by: Godar Marak Originally by: Dr Happy Originally by: MrTripps Quote: will be permitted to enjoy changes designed for the Asian markets, debated by the Asian players, and pre-implemented on the Asian server So? On Chinese new year we will get a mod that shoots Hello Kittys. It will rock. Chill out and have an egg roll. funny thing is egg rols where invented in the united states Egg roll From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia An egg roll (Chinese: pinyin: dan juǎn) is an appetizer which was originally eaten on the continent of Asia but has spread throughout the world as a staple of Asian cuisine. It is said by some that the spring roll led to the creation of the egg roll. The origin of the egg roll is unknown; many Asian countries are claimed to have originated the dish, and variants of the egg roll exist in multiple Asian cuisines (such as the Vietnamese chả gi=). Southern China is the most likely source, as it stems from features of Cantonese cuisine. An egg roll is made by wrapping a combination of chopped vegetables (often mostly cabbage), meat, and sometimes noodles, in a sheet of dough, then deep frying it. It can be closed or open ended. When compared with its cousin, the spring roll, the egg roll is generally larger; has a thicker, puffier skin; is crunchier; and has more filling than the spring roll. However, the terms "spring roll" and "egg roll" are often used somewhat interchangeably. The eggroll wrapper is wheat flour and egg-based while the spring roll is sometimes rice-based. In mainland China, many Chinese-speaking regions of Asia, and Chinese immigrant communities around the world, egg roll can also refer to an egg-based, flute-shaped pastry, with typically yellowish, flaky crust often eaten as a sweet snack or dessert. Some varieties are made with sesame seeds or other flavorings/toppings, such as chocolate, cream, or strawberry. Either the history channel is leing to my or wiki is lieing to you.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.30 18:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Dr Happy Either the history channel is leing to my or wiki is lieing to you. encyclopedia>tv

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