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illuminati
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Posted - 2003.10.16 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: illuminati on 16/10/2003 08:41:07
Edited by: illuminati on 16/10/2003 08:10:11
To those who are members of CFS, our president has made available to us full detailed chatlogs of basicaly every "key" conversation between us and them.
To the general public, I can sum it up fast here:
Red Corsairs
Sinister
Shinra
Those three corps have been on our kill on sight list for a long time due to their well known acts of piracy.
First incident is probably when I, some corpmates and the secretary of CFS navy destroyed the Apocalypse of Lallante from Sinister inside Gehi.
After that, Sinister approached CFS wanting a non-attack pact with CFS and they claimed these 3 corps were "no longer pirates".
A crushing majority of CFS didnt want a NAP with them until they had proven themselves for a longer period of time.
We requested they stay out of CFS space until a decision could be made to remove them from KOS-list and our members could feel them to be safe pilots in our space.
After that it's a long mess of them still flying in our space, tensions rising, both our sides firing first on several occasions, CA "threatening" us with war unless we remove KOS, our claims still being they stay out until dropped from list. Some pilots on both sides "stated points", most notably our side destroying an industrial of theirs and bobghengiskhan from Red Corsairs destroying a Megathron of a non-CFS pilot in a pure act of piracy.
After that a small number of CA pilots entered our space killing randomly, mostly industrials and 2 solo BS from CFS.
Also one BS was lost due to friendly fire when we stormed a gatecamp with 2 different gangs, totalling 40 ships or so, it was a bit messy, hehe, reimbursement was nearly instant.
Since our combat awareness we have killed roughly 3 of their BS and some minor cruiser/frigate kills in JK-FIX.
It's a pretty sure claim to say that after the first-strike advantage CA had is over and done with, we'll see how this goes. 
PS. This is my personal story, it has not been modified or approved by anyone and written solely because most of CFS members feel they want the true story told.
Also, this thread is interesting although longer reading: Zm4ck7aLk
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illuminati
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Posted - 2003.10.16 14:20:00 -
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A much longer, much more detailed decription has just been posted here , a good job by Teister who spent alot of work doing it despite the dirt being thrown by a small number of hostile corps in CA and also, lately, on EvE Guardian.
A lot of CFS is now considering not if, but when to retaliate towards Curse in full force.
We request that all members of CA think over where you stand in this. There are many corps in the CA I hold high of, Nomads, STK Scientific to name but two of the ones I know about. I hope and request of you to stand above this madness. 
How you wish to respond is of course up to you, but retaliation is most likely coming and we would prefer not to have you on our lists plus we dont bring 10 BS when we attack, honestly.
Again, this is not "official" views, thanks.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:29:00 -
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That's it, im joining the CFS
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:38:00 -
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So it is true, pirates do kill pirates! 
By acting like complete morons and getting their side into war with just about everyone that is... 
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Ph0enix
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Posted - 2003.10.16 20:52:00 -
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what a load of tosh. at least the SA/FA PR machines are competant in their jobs as spin masters, the CFS lot are complete morons in comparison (pretty much mirrors their militaristic abilities) go back to your puppet masters in the SA and learn how to spin like a true PR DJ.
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Edward Preble
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Posted - 2003.10.16 21:09:00 -
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Once again, a CA rep shows that their main strength lies in insulting people, not saying anything with rational substance involved.
Praytell CA, if we want to talk about a 'spin' machine, why haven't you coughed up that list of "defecting CFS corps", which were escorted out of CFS space with a "24 ship fleet". I remember your fleet, and it tried to avoid the CFS fleet around HED, ducking into policed space so it couldn't be attacked, then fleeing back into CA space--I don't seem to recall several corps moving out with them.
Considering how many confirmed lies CA has woven, why don't you guys just drop the pretense and admit you wanted war for the sake of war? Heck, I could respect that--many of your reps kept saying it was fun and what the game was all about. That's a more legitimate reason that this tangled contradictory web you're weaving, to justify YOUR invasion of OUR space.
Edward Preble
Coalition of Free Stars
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.10.16 21:22:00 -
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How can you claim empire space? That simply befuddles me. Does concord let you operate with impunity?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 21:25:00 -
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Khanid II has gone on extended holiday maybe? 
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.16 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 16/10/2003 22:07:35
Empire space is just another piece of sovereign space, how can you claim sovereign space? 
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.10.16 22:10:00 -
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Yeah, thats why I was wondering why CFS claims Empire Space, that makes off the cuff coments about us hiding in Empire space to avoid them.
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UnFriendly Fire
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Posted - 2003.10.16 22:26:00 -
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Well Reclaimer, as has been said numerous numerous times in many many threads, we do not claim space, but that's neither here nor there. We patrol Khanid because it is the closest place to JKFIX with a station and it has also been the sight of consistent piracy. Much of Khanid is .4 or lower.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.10.16 22:37:00 -
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Isnt it Concorde's and the Khanid Empire's responsibility to patrol it then?
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UnFriendly Fire
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Posted - 2003.10.16 23:05:00 -
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If it is, they do a craptacular job, since they aren't even present in the lower sec rating Khanid areas.
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Edward Preble
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Posted - 2003.10.16 23:31:00 -
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If you don't believe we have any ability to patrol Empire space, you're welcome to come to Gehi and give us a ring.
Edward Preble
Coalition of Free Stars
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Posted - 2003.10.17 01:17:00 -
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Its impossible to disprove the unprovable. So many attempts to respond to the CA. I think the community can see that there are claims by both sides that are valid. But its so important to keep things simple. Really simple.
1. CFS is only in this war becuase we kept getting killed by CA members in our space. We are not in curse killing people. When we declair war (as I beleive we will) we are going to goto curse and beat the snappy out of them (also my own speculation)
2. CA has managed to get into war with nearly everyone. There are a lot of theorys about why, what it boils down to is CA can't control their pirates and they are too stupid to keep out of war with everyone they **** off.
3. There is no diplomatic solution. We're tired of being killed and don't believe that CA can keep out of our area and not kill our poeple even if they agree to it. That means all we can do is kill them.
For my part I really don't care what any of CA say anymore. We didn't pick this fight, we didn't fly into curse and start killing people. Who cares now. Were are going to kill CA. Its mabey not perfectly just but it does make our home safe again. That is all we want.
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Vacuole
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Posted - 2003.10.17 01:19:00 -
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The solution is simple.
Since all of the aggressive acts have been by the CA against the CFS, then all the CA has to do is stay out of CFS space.
That's pretty easy to do. And CA doesn't have to worry about sowing what they reap, since CFS doesn't intrude into CA space.
I personally can't think of a single good reason to even visit CA space.
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TIvian
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Posted - 2003.10.17 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: TIvian on 17/10/2003 01:26:11
Edited by: TIvian on 17/10/2003 01:24:44
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If you don't believe we have any ability to patrol Empire space, you're welcome to come to Gehi and give us a ring.
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First incident is probably when I, some corpmates and the secretary of CFS navy destroyed the Apocalypse of Lallante from Sinister inside Gehi.
So you admit that you guys fired the first shot. and even though NO ONE in Sinister or any of the other FORMER pirate Corps. have not done any pirating act in over a month...more like 2 months now. you still fired on them. and CFS is unwilling to let people change their ways? So what is it you want from Sinister and Red Corsairs? to quit game and start noobs? to break up their corps? if these guys went out and saved a Cat from a storm drain or helped save some ones life you all in the CFS would STILL call them Pirates!
My corporation has NEVER commited a pirating act. and I for one do not tollerate pirates( DARE SOME ONE TO SAY OTHER WISE AND PROVE IT!!!), yet EVERYONE in CA is considered a pirate....WELL guess what folks....if that is the case then EVERYONE WHO IS IN AN ALLIANCE IS A PIRATE!!!
FACE IT!! you all got bored of fighting NPC's and Mining so you all thought you would come down and start a war. don't say it was because of Pirates! I can tell you how to find Pirates! Open up your map browser and look at P-3EN!! or OBE that is where there are pirates!
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Posted - 2003.10.17 01:31:00 -
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Your boys pirating is how you got into this war.
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TIvian
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Posted - 2003.10.17 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: TIvian on 17/10/2003 01:40:24
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Your boys pirating is how you got into this war.
Well Ends. no one is pirating. and I say again. if we are pirates then so are you.
And it is obvious that you are miss informed. that or just don't care to know both sides of the story. if had read what I quoted then you would see that CFS has already admitted firing the first shot!
Makes no differance to me. I am a warrior. not a pirate. and if you can't tell the differance not my problem.
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Posted - 2003.10.17 02:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ends on 17/10/2003 02:08:58
Edited by: Ends on 17/10/2003 02:07:10
If I am a carebear so are you.
Heh before Tivian edited he said if he was a pirate so was I. The above was the responce to his attempt at comedy. On a side note the real comedy was Tivian leaving the FIX in his pod (yesterday night?).
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.10.17 02:26:00 -
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Quote:
Edited by: Ends on 17/10/2003 02:08:58
Edited by: Ends on 17/10/2003 02:07:10
If I am a carebear so are you.
Heh before Tivian edited he said if he was a pirate so was I. (yesterday night?).
WTF is that suppose to mean?
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TIvian
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Posted - 2003.10.17 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: TIvian on 17/10/2003 02:29:21
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Edited by: Ends on 17/10/2003 02:08:58
Edited by: Ends on 17/10/2003 02:07:10
If I am a carebear so are you.
Heh before Tivian edited he said if he was a pirate so was I. The above was the responce to his attempt at comedy. On a side note the real comedy was Tivian leaving the FIX in his pod (yesterday night?).
Yep I left in my pod. so what? you will lose ships and so will others...like the guy who lost his raven to my Cruise Missles and then died.
Your not getting it are you Ends?
I did say if "I am a pirate then so are you"
but you don't get it that I have never been a pirate. Did my post have to many words for you to read?
Maybe you should read and think before you type.
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Posted - 2003.10.17 02:42:00 -
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Its a ludicrous claim founded on faulty reasoning. Its a mockery. Some people can get it, some can't. lol
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Kashre
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Posted - 2003.10.17 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kashre on 17/10/2003 04:12:14
Edited by: Kashre on 17/10/2003 04:11:02
Not that it hasnt been said a million times, buy maybe if its heard enough you Curse people will get it through your heads.
Sinister and Red Corsair pilots who may have been killed in our space before the war were killed for the same reason Moo and M3G4 pilots were: They were on our KOS list for pirate actions by their corporation.
If you're reformed, thats all well and good, but simply declaring yourself a "former" pirate is not enough to get off of the KOS list, and its certainly not enough to convince anyone you're not a pirate.
If the "former" pirate corps of Curse had bothered to simply not go to JK-FIX or any low security Khanid system in the first place they wouldnt have been bothered, and in time they would have been removed from the KOS list. Then the whole CA could come to strip mine all the bistot in JK-FIX and we would have been bound by our own laws to protect them from pirates. We could have all had a nice picnic in Gehi and sat around the campfire singing Peter Paul and Mary songs. But nooooooooo... someone had to come stir the pot, and now to doodie has risen to the top.
As for claiming Khanid... well, we live here, the Khanid navy certainly isnt taking much interest in certain vital systems... so it's incumbent on the local residents to protect themsselves. Which is what the CFS is all about really. The instant the Kingdom see's fit to send some ships to patrol the southern low-sec systems of the region and raise the security level above the .2-.4 range, I'll stop calling it CFS space.
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Freezer
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Posted - 2003.10.17 15:01:00 -
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2 points
1) Posix was podding people, as a member of Sinister, in the last month. Granted he was removed, but it still leaves a mark on Sinister.
2) What would be required for an end to hostilities? (Please leave the personal comments out. I don't care if Teister is dragging the CFS into war or if the CA is filled with Liars. I have seen all of that posted already. Lets move past that.)
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Venkman
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Posted - 2003.10.17 15:09:00 -
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2) What would be required for an end to hostilities?
Simple. Move CA forces out of CFS controlled space.
1.) CFS is sworn to enforce a "no rats in our space" policy.
2.) CFS has several CA corps on KOS, listed as pirates.
3.) Those pirates better stay out of space where CFS feels agitated.
4.) If those corp on KOS list feel that CFS does them wrong for putting them on that list, talk to the senate and seek removal. While doing it, stay out of CFS space.
5.) If CFS feels, that the according corps are STILL treated as pirate corps and therefore KOS - well, tough ****. Either you leave or rename that corp, or you live with the sins you did in the past.
6.) Did I mention, stay out of CFS space if you are a) a pirate or b) on KOS list?
CFS can switch back to normal, which is hunting known pirates in CFS space and securing the systems. Hey, that's not really different from what CFS is doing now.
Venk
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slayr
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Posted - 2003.10.17 17:48:00 -
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tiivian- please refrain from displaying ignorance. A simple statement of fact such as the destruction of a sinister ship does not require the CFS vessels to "fire first". Sheesh
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.17 19:36:00 -
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I think The Reclaimer suffered from selective dyslexia there, I meant how can the Curse Alliance claim Angel Cartel space when this is sovereign territory yet whine about CFS patrolling Khanid? Both are sovereign, Khanid is just a little harder to hijack.
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:09:00 -
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I think The Reclaimer suffered from selective dyslexia there, I meant how can the Curse Alliance claim Angel Cartel space when this is sovereign territory yet whine about CFS patrolling Khanid? Both are sovereign, Khanid is just a little harder to hijack.
The area in question is not Empire space. That is a HUGE difference. All regional alliances we formed around non-empire space. Concord has no jusisticion and there are no sentry guns at our jump gates. That is the difference. IMO, those areas simply have the npc names as a reason for stations to be there.
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Freezer
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Posted - 2003.10.17 22:21:00 -
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What difference does it make where an alliance is? Lonetrek had one and you can't get much more Empire than that.
CFS patrols Khanid. doesn't claim it, just patrols it.
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