For clarity, SP loss is unacceptable under any circumstance. They need to remove it from T3.

Something a lot of ex wow, and other such MMORPGs have trouble adjusting too is the fact is SP is not sacred and was never meant to be. So when it is threatened to be taken they have a massive knee jerk hysterical response throwing all their toys out the pram. Eve is a harsh universe my friend, where death doesn't just mean you respawn at the nearest respawn point.

I remember the good old days of UO, I bet a lot of the people who are having a fit at the thought of losing SP never played a hardcore old school MMORPG such as UO. You have never experienced how good it is when a game has harsh consequences for death, trust me you will like it once you get over the initial shock of the usual creature comforts which you find in todays modern MMORPGs taken away.

Eve is really a flash back to the heydays of MMORPGS seeing as it was released shortly after UO, and I hope that it retains the hardcore properties which were present in that era.

The old RPG's I played such as CyperPunk 2020 had pretty harsh consequences...you died and that was it! Start from scratch...made being the Solo (combat grunt) pretty intense in the firefights and all the better for it...

You're still failing to recognise that a "cheap" pod is already hurting the pilot every second they are in it. It is classic risk vs reward.

Edit: We cross posted.

Proof/numbers (based on historical findings, YMMV today)

Max skill points per hour: 2700

Skill points per hour in empty clone: 2250

Difference: 450.

MINIMUM hit for a single 24 hour period in an empty clone (where one may or may not die): 10800 skill points.


So every day you sit in an empty clone it costs you 10800 skill points. Even if you DONT die. That's 4 hours worth at implanted pod level.


So please, let's stop pretending empty pods "cost nothing".

Thank you for immediately flailing around hysterically and proving my point in the post above. If you had read the post properly then you would have realised Im not suggesting a higher barrier to pvp, the opposite in fact.

No I did actually read what you wrote, and that is actually a very good argument, one of the best arguments I've seen in keeping the status quo in fact.

The only issue I have with it is that it means that pod death can still be meaningless in many circumstances, for instance when people like Anhenka use suiciding an empty pod as a free ride home.

In my vision a pod death is something which a capsuleer should always want to avoid, and it should never be in a capsuleers interest to suicide their own pod unless they are in dire circumstances such as stuck in a wormhole.

I like your argument though, apologies that I did not respond to in sooner, but I still think it doesn't go far enough imo.

And can you explain how forcing people to fly 50 jumps in their pod to avoid said skill loss and get themselves home is any better than getting a blue to pod you if you're on an extended roam somewhere?

Because the war strategists and fleet commanders will have to make the decision of playing it safe in home territory, or risk being cut off from supply lines at home if they decide to branch out 50 jumps into enemy territory. Much like the kind of decision a real general would need to make. Not the current situation of being able to venture to the other side of the universe and then simply respawn back at base.

Because the war strategists and fleet commanders will have to make the decision of playing it safe in home territory, or risk being cut off from supply lines at home if they decide to branch out 50 jumps into enemy territory. Much like the kind of decision a real general would need to make. Not the current situation of being able to venture to the other side of the universe and then simply respawn back at base.

My ship is worth five times my clone costs. My implants are worth 11 times my clone costs.

All a death tax does is make me avoid using cheap ships such as frigates and cruisers. I would much rather spend that 45 mil on a stabber and provide more content in game.

****, we're talking about being podded not having your ship wrecked. Do keep up, if that's possible. As for the implants: add 80% of their value to the bounty paid out.