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Space Fear
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.01 09:08:00 -
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I have a Pentium 4 2,6, ATI 9550 with 256Mb, 1250Mb of RAM.
I cant play EVE because the game makes my computer to crash. I think its because of the overheating it produces. I have the case open, and i already bought a new dissipator and a fan. Im experiencing the same problem.
When i do a mission with lots of ships like Worlds Collide its a sure crash!
When i say crash i mean that my comp. reboots instantly. I lost 2 ships yesterday because this issue.
It doesnt happened to me before the patch, i played the trial perfectly, i payed because i think this is a great game and then this...I simply cant play this way.
Im the worst nightmare for a pirate...I never have nothing in my cargo. |
Space Fear
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.01 09:16:00 -
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Only to say that 2 days before i had an NVIDIA Geforce 5200 and the game crashed same way, then its not a graphic card problem. There is a way to decrease CPU usage with this game?
Im the worst nightmare for a pirate...I never have nothing in my cargo. |
Space Fear
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.01 09:39:00 -
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I already sent the Dxdiag file and log files to support.
Im the worst nightmare for a pirate...I never have nothing in my cargo. |
Space Fear
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.01 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Space Fear on 01/09/2006 10:37:44
In order to show u the problem, look the graph:
I dont wanna know what temp i have to reach to reboot my comp...
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Im the worst nightmare for a pirate...I never have nothing in my cargo. |
Morgassana
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Posted - 2006.09.01 11:16:00 -
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try shutting off ingame sound...
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Mdram
Caldari
Eastern Heritage
O X I D E
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Posted - 2006.09.01 12:34:00 -
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p4's run hot, try a new case fan, maybe make sure your ports arent clogged with dust. you can check the reboot temp in your bios
im running an amd64, highest temp ive reached is 36 C
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Liegus
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Posted - 2006.09.01 12:57:00 -
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The tech specs for P4's vary a lot, so check Intel's technical specs for your specific CPU make to see what the recommended max operating temperature is.
That said, P4's can run very hot, from 64C-78C, depending on the model, and it looks like you're peaking around 60C.
THAT said, I wouldn't run my P4 as hot as I'm allowed to :) If I had a CPU running at 140F, I would be pulling the cooler off and getting better thermal regulation in there :P
Some common problems are crummy heatsinks, crummy fans, crummy physical connections between the heatsink and the CPU die (such as those evil sticky-pad thermal transfer things that some factory heat sinks ship with, or too little/too much thermal transfer compound, or maybe even an uneven cooler or die surface), and high ambient temperature in the case.
Anyway, I'd pick a good heatsink and a good fan and replace the factory stuff. Be sure you get some decent thermal compound with it and install it correctly. It's very easy, but get someone to help if you've never done it before, as improper installation can lead to fried (or crushed) components.
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Ramanujan
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Posted - 2006.09.01 18:46:00 -
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I have the same problem on one computer, but I'm pretty sure its not the cpu. How do I know this? I underclocked the cpu (mine used to peak at 70 degrees with eve) to about 40 degrees and I still crashed on battles with lots of ships and explosions. I tried disabling the effects, but that doesn't disable explosions.
Try underclocking the cpu from your bios (lower the voltage, I lowered mine from 1.5 to 1.375 and maybe the multiplier too) if possible.
I'm wondering whether its something else, like a powersupply issue, although i havent been able to replace mine and test it.
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Remus Omalley
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Posted - 2006.09.01 19:49:00 -
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It does sound like a PSU problem.What make is the PSU? What other games do you play? and have you recently added any new hardware?
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Sharkbait
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Posted - 2006.09.01 20:36:00 -
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a common problem i used to have was the heatsinks filled with dust and restricted the air flow. i would check all the heatsinks and air intakes to see if they are blocked with dust. can't really advise much else tbh
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Ocaud
Evisceration.
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Posted - 2006.09.01 21:30:00 -
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Almost 2 months ago there was some server side change that caused many newer versions of ATI cards to overheat. Many people in my corp started having new heat issues after several months of playing fine with the same rig. Myself, and a few other unfortunate corpmates, lost a video card to this. I hope CCP fixes this or they will lose customers by the day.
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Siege
Minmatar
Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2006.09.01 21:50:00 -
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62C is pretty freakin hot for a CPU to be running, and my guess is that there are issues you haven't found yet.
Which heatsink did you get, and how big is the fan? And what kind of thermal paste did you use between the heatsink and the fan? (you DID use thermal paste, right?)
I have seen a number of issues with PC's lately having to do with the past few generations of hot processors and the vertical orientation of the motherboard. If they chip overheats a bit, sometimes the thermal conductor between the chip and heatsink will liquify and literally ooze away down the motheboard.
And just to confirm, that high temperature on the graph is the CPU temp, but is the green one the ambient case temp?
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Celestinara
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Posted - 2006.09.02 00:21:00 -
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To be honnest, I don't consider 60C to be a "dangerous" core temp. It's a bit concerning, but nothing too bad. My main questions are:
Are you using a stock Intel heat-sink?
Is that the "On-die" temperature or the temperature between the heat-sink and the chip? In many cases a temperature sensor between the sink and the chip will cause some erroneous readings. Also, can someone who works a lot with P4s confirm whether they have metal coverings like the Athlon 64s? Because if they do, I'd suggest taking off the sink and putting on some Arctic Silver heat-compound.
If it doesn't have that plate, for god's sake don't put arctic silver anywhere near the chip. If there isn't a barrier plate you will short-circuit the processor. Oh ya, one other thing, does your sink have thermal compound (a gooey mushy substance) or thermal taping (Somewhat self explanitory?) because thermal tape sucks, badly, and I know that some computer makers use it because it's a lot cleaner and easier to use than putting on thermal compounding, which as any tech can tell you, can be a messy enterprise.
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Milera
Gallente
Antimatter Assembly Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.02 00:22:00 -
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That was me... darn forums.
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Nabraxis Ka
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Posted - 2006.09.02 00:25:00 -
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firstly dont have the side off ur case, this is a common misconception to cool the pc down, having the side on lets the air inside ya case circulate how it shud (provided ur fans are positioned correctly) i have a thermal take case with just 3 well positioned fans and my cpu doesnt go above 50 in mid summer :).
so, cold air intake fan at bottom of ya case, pulling cool air in, and a exhaust fan sumwhere near the top of ur case as the exhaust. Also as stated, cleaning the dust off ya heatsinks may b gud idea if they r really stuffed up:P all about thermo dynamics :)
thanks.
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Nabraxis Ka
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Posted - 2006.09.02 00:27:00 -
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also avoid having ur pc in a enclosed area, like sum cleverly designed desks from ikea lol. try get atleast a 4" gap around ya case.
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RipperXXX
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.02 21:25:00 -
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Edited by: RipperXXX on 02/09/2006 21:26:37
MMm....i have a bigger fan and a bigger heatsink....
Them are completely new, so there is no dust.
Im investigating if the reboot problem is because a sound driver problem or something similar...
I noticed that while playing Elder Scrolls:Oblivion my CPU reaches 61¦C and then stabilizes.
Im really thinking about a sound problem now.
Ill tell u if i reach a solution, thanks to all guys.
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I'm the worst nightmare for pirates...I never have nothing to loot!!! |
Stelteck
Minmatar
FRENCH NAVY
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.02 21:46:00 -
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Edited by: Stelteck on 02/09/2006 21:48:06
To test the overheating, try testing your computer with benchmark like 3D MARK.
The test shall crash your computer as well.
In order to try to stabilize your computer and confirm your diagnostic, you may try to downcloak your CPU and your graphic card.
you may lower the CPU frequency of your processor using the BIOS feature, and some utilitaries such as powerstrip allow you to change the frequency of your graphic card.
Stelteck.
Tau ceti FEDERATION
F-NAVY
"Brakes are for cowards" |
RipperXXX
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.02 21:48:00 -
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Thank u, ill try it.
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I'm the worst nightmare for pirates...I never have nothing to loot!!! |
Jake Stevens
Lone Wolves
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Posted - 2006.09.02 22:43:00 -
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This used to happen to me all the time. The laser sounds restart your pc. Go get a better soundcard or turn off sounds, trust me. I wager you are using onboard sound.
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RipperXXX
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.02 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: RipperXXX on 02/09/2006 23:04:44
Yeah im using onboard sound, that would be sad man...
I cant believe a sound problem can reboot ur computer.
+isnt there a solution if this is a sound problem?
I saw lots of posts with sound problems...
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I'm the worst nightmare for pirates...I never have nothing to loot!!! |
Jake Stevens
Lone Wolves
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Posted - 2006.09.03 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jake Stevens on 03/09/2006 11:22:16
Yeah I didnt think it could be the sound either. Turn off the sound for one mission and i'm 99% sure it wont crash. And if it does... then it could be an overheating problem.
Good luck and lucky for me i had a spare sound card lying around :)
*edit* Sharky if you are still reading this thread can you please make a sticky about it because ALOT of people are having this problem by the looks of it.
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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.09.04 11:13:00 -
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I used to have a similar issue with another game, if a lot happened at the same time the computer would freeze. It turned out to be the powersupply.
Cheap powersupplies do not have truly seperate voltage lines. Meaning that if your CPU peaks suddenly, there is a short, abrubt drop in the lines to the mobo and memory, and vice versa. Computers really do not like that, data in the memory or cache will get corrupted and a crash/freeze/reboot results.
Now I got a good Nexus powersupply which DOES have seperate voltage lines. It cost me over a hundred bucks but it's worth every penny. I've never had a bluescreen or crash or anything like that ever since I plugged the thing in, and I'm considering to buy another one for my second PC.
Eve also gave me some overheating problems, I have an AMD 3200, and those are notorious for their heat. Operating temperatures of 70-75C were quite normal with my setup, and obviously that's not very healthy for it. I often got some slight graphic glitches, like textures flickering and disappearing or spreading allover the screen, or menus getting stuck and acting weird. Underclocking the PC from 200 to 133MHz FSB fixed this problem, while not affecting performance much besides loading stations taking longer. I got a new CPU fan and some extra casefans yesterday and now the CPU stays around 65C when clocked back to 200MHz and the problems haven't returned.
So: Try underclocking, and take a look at your powersupply.
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RipperXXX
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.05 12:16:00 -
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ok, definitely is a sound problem. I disabled the sound and the game goes perfectly. I have the last available driver for my sound card so...
Yesterday a guy in the spanish channel suffered the same issue, it seems a very common problem. Please CCP give us a solution, i like to play with sound!
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I'm the worst nightmare for pirates...I never have nothing to loot!!! |
Gehmis
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:08:00 -
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I had this problem a while back. I replaced fans with Zalman's, considered going water cooling, etc etc. Then, I replaced the power supply (CoolMax, NEVER BUY!) with an Antec of higher wattage and all of my problems disappeared. No more sudden shutdowns.
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Shiftless
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:44:00 -
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To whomever said that you will short out a CPU with Arctic silver if you're not a CPU with a heat-spreader (that "little metal plate")...
Ummm. No. Not true. Not at all true. There is nothing conductive about the outer surface of a CPU. At all. Ever. Might want to check out the Artic Silver website for installation instructions.
On a side note, I removed the heat-spreader from my Athlon64 3000+ and replaced the thermal paste underneath it with Arctic silver before replacing it and... Still no shorting. Does run 1.5C cooler though.
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Cykles
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Posted - 2006.09.05 14:51:00 -
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I have almost that exact same system, and have almost the exact same problem.
P4 2.8
ati radeon 9550
1.75 gig of RAM
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RipperXXX
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.09.07 06:32:00 -
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Ok, CCP gived a solution to me:
Try to remove the hardware acceleration when running DXDiag in the sound section. Then try to increase it a bit while testing until it crashes.
KK, thanks for all guys.
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I'm the worst nightmare for pirates...I never have nothing to loot!!! |
Sharupak
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Posted - 2006.09.07 12:58:00 -
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Space fear...
Your heating is fine. If you are starting at around 40C and when you play eve you get to 60C that is pretty good. Your computer wont shut off with a heating issue until 90C.
I would venture to say its something else.
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2006.09.07 22:38:00 -
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Try this
Tacky lens flares in sigs 4tw! |
RipperXXX
Amarr
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.08 09:22:00 -
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ROFL  
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I'm the worst nightmare for pirates...I never have nothing to loot!!! |
Arkana
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Posted - 2006.11.30 02:41:00 -
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Ta quedao claro no Space?? :P
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mazzilliu
Caldari
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.11.30 13:53:00 -
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I'm having an overheating problem as well.
whenever the focus is on the client(i play in windowed mode) the CPU usage is stuck at 100%
when i take focus off and put it on another window, the CPU usage reduces to 60-70%. 2 clients now makes it stick at 100% completely. So i can't play even one client without having some other window open to click on after doing anything.
after operating like this for a while the computer shuts off entirely and the case feels unusually warm.
my computer is not dusty.
1000% awesome guide to logging out |
Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.11.30 13:57:00 -
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All machines are meant to be able to cope with 100% CPU usage. If it can't, then I'm afraid you built your system with cheap cooling, or the person who supplied you the system, didn't put a lot of thougth into it. I have stock cooling on my processor, with two fans (one blowing onto the side, one sucking out the rear), and I never have any problems (even stuck at 100% for hours on end).
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Sharupak
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Posted - 2006.11.30 15:18:00 -
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Space fear...If you are still having this problem, I would try a couple of other things.
1. google a memory tester d/l to a floppy and run it for a while
2. Run a thorough checkdisk
3. Download and install the latest chipset drivers for your motherboard.
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Agent Li
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2006.11.30 15:22:00 -
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I bought a water CPU cooler, and my heat problems disappeared (I ran into them long before running Eve).
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Asoc
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.11.30 15:31:00 -
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It's also worth noting that sometimes computers get dust inside, which acts as an insulator and slows down fans. I have had a computer's overheating problems solved by careful dust removal. If you go down this route be careful not to damage anything.
I too have had a reboot and a couple of graphical glitches since the patch, but it hasn't happened again yet, or consistently enough to say it is because of the patch. What I'm going to do is try some CPU/Graphics hungry software like 3DMark05, and see if it causes problems after repeat runs. Until I stress the hardware with 3DMark05 I'm not going to blame Eve because I can't rule out hardware problems.
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Nash Wraithwind
Dodge this inc
Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.11.30 15:31:00 -
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 Originally by: mazzilliu
I'm having an overheating problem as well.
whenever the focus is on the client(i play in windowed mode) the CPU usage is stuck at 100%
when i take focus off and put it on another window, the CPU usage reduces to 60-70%. 2 clients now makes it stick at 100% completely. So i can't play even one client without having some other window open to click on after doing anything.
after operating like this for a while the computer shuts off entirely and the case feels unusually warm.
my computer is not dusty.
You could try reseating your CPU fan/heatsink. However, if you've never done any work on your computer before I would get someone who has to help you.
Also, this thread is a 3 month old necro 
Nash
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K'thang
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Posted - 2006.12.01 14:22:00 -
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I really underestimated CPU cooler is this one. It is very cheap, and extremely light (300 gram). Idle temperature of 24c on a Pentium D930, and max load I have ever reached is 48c. And very very quiet.
Also never underestimate the importance of cooling your graphics card. I recently changed the stock fan on my ASUS X1900XT to a Zalman VF900-Cu.
Graphics card went from 54c idle to 34c idle, and from 75c+ on max load to 44-50c on max load.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:10:00 -
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Edited by: HankMurphy on 01/12/2006 23:15:24
Originally by: K'thang
I really underestimated CPU cooler is this one. It is very cheap, and extremely light (300 gram). Idle temperature of 24c on a Pentium D930, and max load I have ever reached is 48c. And very very quiet.
Also never underestimate the importance of cooling your graphics card. I recently changed the stock fan on my ASUS X1900XT to a Zalman VF900-Cu.
Graphics card went from 54c idle to 34c idle, and from 75c+ on max load to 44-50c on max load.
I never looked back
i'm a big fan of this one: Warning, she's louder than advertised but does the job
Originally by: Sharkbait
a common problem i used to have was the heatsinks filled with dust and restricted the air flow. i would check all the heatsinks and air intakes to see if they are blocked with dust. can't really advise much else tbh
There is a definite issue w/ eve heating up ppl's PCs.
Most ppl dont notice it because they have compaq or whatever and their motherboard could melt before the PC shut down :P
My temperatures on vidcard and mobo go through the roof playing eve. i can run doom3 on almost full settings on one monitor and watch a stargate divx on my other monitor and my temps dont go NEAR what eve does.
this is a classic symptom of dirty code. also noticing a 12-16fps on eve on a 6800 gt card  . I think there are some real issues w/ client at the moment.
Till ccp can fix theri stuff. i have my cpu fan cranked up max (sounds like a jet taking off in my office) and have replaced the side cover of my PC w/ a box fan..... rediculous i know, thus the reason i'm posting here hoping somone will recognize spiking temps as an issue w/ the client too.
Client crashing and affecting gameplay is one thing. Dirty subroutines/loops whatever heating your PC up and causing possible damage?? that a totally different ballpark.
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Malitest
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Malitest on 01/12/2006 23:28:46
This is load of bull. It is not games fault that your computer is overheating. It is the design of the system. Don't buy cheapest (badly designed) parts and you will have no problems at all. All my computer (from laptop to my dual Opteron system) are att 100% CPU utilization 24/7 (BOINC) and playing on them doesn't do a thing. But I didn't buy just any cheap part.
So don't blame it on the game if you bought crap.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.12.01 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Malitest
Edited by: Malitest on 01/12/2006 23:28:46
This is load of bull. It is not games fault that your computer is overheating. It is the design of the system. Don't buy cheapest (badly designed) parts and you will have no problems at all. All my computer (from laptop to my dual Opteron system) are att 100% CPU utilization 24/7 (BOINC) and playing on them doesn't do a thing. But I didn't buy just any cheap part.
So don't blame it on the game if you bought crap.
dont go flipping out if you dont have any idea what your talking about
not only is my system nice, its DAAAmMm nice. Top of the line for 5 months ago. Inside of the case is a windtunnel.
And why the hell is your pc running at 100% CPU 24/7? You may wanna stop flaming ppl on the forums and look into that
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Myang Li
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Posted - 2006.12.02 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Myang Li on 02/12/2006 15:14:07
Sorry but your system should be able to run at 100% usage 100% of the time, if not then it has poor cooling. The worst for poor cooling are pre-built systems (even some top end gaming rigs) as they are desgined to be as quiet as possible but this leads to poor airflow and they rely on the components inside throttling the CPU and graphics down when they get to hot.
As has been stated, running BIONIC does force your CPU to run at 100% load because it sits in the background and uses any free CPU time to number crunch problems for other people. Its used for things like SETi and Cancer research so is a good thing to be running.
Bad coding CANNOT cause a cpu to overheat and crash, yes it can cause them to load up more but the CPU is only doing what it is told, if this causes your system to overheat then thats not a coding problem but a system design problem. CPU's, their coolers and the fans inside the case should be designed to allow 100% load on the CPU and everything else in the case without causing the temperature to reach high enough levels to cause problems. What would happen if you had to run the same instruction sequence that you currently class as bad in a different program but they were correct for that program, would that be the codes problem?
Having cheap cooling inside a PC case that means you cant run the system at 100% all the time would be like owning a ú500,000 sports car that you could not accelerate in faster than 0-60 in 3 minutes or you would break the drive shafts. Looks good on paper but in actual fact a tractor has better spec's.
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Malitest
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Posted - 2006.12.02 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Malitest
Edited by: Malitest on 01/12/2006 23:28:46
This is load of bull. It is not games fault that your computer is overheating. It is the design of the system. Don't buy cheapest (badly designed) parts and you will have no problems at all. All my computer (from laptop to my dual Opteron system) are att 100% CPU utilization 24/7 (BOINC) and playing on them doesn't do a thing. But I didn't buy just any cheap part.
So don't blame it on the game if you bought crap.
dont go flipping out if you dont have any idea what your talking about
not only is my system nice, its DAAAmMm nice. Top of the line for 5 months ago. Inside of the case is a windtunnel.
And why the hell is your pc running at 100% CPU 24/7? You may wanna stop flaming ppl on the forums and look into that
First of all if your computer is overheating that is an error in the design. None of mine are even close to hot not to mention overheated. My guess is that you have a stock cooler (bad) and need to change them as well as check how is the airflow in the case (you want to suck in cold air, move it toward the CPU and GPU and than pull it out).
Brand computers usually have problems with cooling (we have dell at work and they are worthless when it comes to thermal design (especially servers)).
100% CPU utilisation on my computers is intended as run BOINC all the time (it uses spare CPU cycles to do research). So it is not an error or anything like that.
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Alezandros Stormrage
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Posted - 2006.12.02 17:35:00 -
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to give some insight myself, i have a gig of ram running dual channel, an agp ati vid card and a p4 3.0 gig in my system, i use arctic silver 5 on it as well as a 3rd party cooling unit(an arctic colling freezer 7 pro heatsink) my temps on idle are between 32C and heavy load doesnt reach 50C in most cases, indefinately it is a problem with the build internals of the computer if your temps are too high, with stock cooling my idle temp was 36C and heavy load was pretty close to 60C that's why i invested in the updated heatsink javascript:insertsmilie(' ','WebPost','text');
Smile *remembers back to the skadi heatsink on his punisher and how well that works*
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Equipment Warehouse
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Equipment Warehouse on 02/12/2006 18:22:28
I got add my 2 pence worth in here.
I do a lot of system building in my spare time, and generally support the camp that your PC should reasonably be able to operate at 100% CPU load for prolonged periods without its performance being adversly affected.
If running your PC with a 100% CPU load causes significant overheating (and depending on your CPU type this really ought to mean somewhere between about 60 celcius and 90 celcius before things go significantly **** up) then you need to rethink your PC cooling solution. If your PC is crashing well before your CPU's listed operating temperature range (check the intel or AMD webby's for tech specs for your specific CPU), then you might actually want to think about other components overheating , such as RAM modules, mobo North/South-bridges, GFx card, and PSU. Worht thinking that PSU might be a far bigger culprit than people suspect, not from the overheating side of things, but from the power delivery side of things. There are a lot of people out htere thinking they got big enough cheap PSU's, because it says 450 or 500 watt on the box, not realising that this often refers to peak power output rather than max sustainable power output. So, those that have upgraded there CPU, Ram ,and GFx card ... did you get a good PSU to go with that upgrade?
Something to consider might whether this will be of major benefit might be to try a program which reduces CPU activity when the system temp gets too high : I think the speed fan program has a setting to allow extra CPU wait states to be entered into the mix, allowing the CPU to effectively cool down be reducing the work it does .. doesn't it? Anyway, if something like this proves effective, then CPU cooling might genuinely be the issue. IF not, consider looking elsewhere?
Of note, I built my own desktop, and can run 3 Eve clients simultaneously with Eve radio and teamspeak, so carefully system building with proper matching of components is a must.
Secondly, I run two eve clients on my laptop (when away from home) and it copes happily. A bit chuggy here and there, BUT the CPU runs happily at 100% for periods of up to 6 hours without too much of a problem. Point here being that Eve does stress the system, but with proper design, effective cooling, and matched hardware, this should not be a problem.
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Zefla
Caldari
Rakeriku
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Posted - 2006.12.02 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Equipment Warehouse
Secondly, I run two eve clients on my laptop (when away from home) and it copes happily.
Which laptop is that?
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Equipment Warehouse
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Posted - 2006.12.03 00:27:00 -
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Acer Aspire 1692 WLMi
Has an Intel Centrino Solution (Pentium M 740 stock clocked at 1.73 GHz), with an ATI Mobility Radeon x700 which has 64 Mb of integral ram.
I've replaced the stock 512 Mb of DDR2 with 2Gb of DDR2.
Other than that, it has a 15.4 Inch WXGA Crystalbright TFT screen.
Now, I would NEVER recommend an Acer to anyone unless they are completely comfortable with PC hardware, and troubleshooting PC's, because in my personal opinion Acer have the worst tech support I have ever known of a PC manufacturer. My brother has an Acer, and it has never worked properly since day of purchase, and has been back to them 7 or 8 times before the warranty period (which they extended by about 6 months to acknowledge the problems he experienced) finally ran out, at which point they never wnated to hear from him again. Problem being, the laptop should have been condemned from the get go, but as he didn't know enough to contest this, it was simply returned to him after each 'repair'.
In fact, the particular laptop I have is the second one in my posession ... the first one completely failed to power up at all from the box I took home, so I had it completely replaced.
But, if you can get past the quality control issues, the actual underlying hardware is reasonable, and extremely cost effective.
I've been lucky, and gotten a good one, but then I made sure I had with rigorous testing once I finally got it.
If you're not comfortable working with or confidant about diagnosing hardware or software issues, buy a Sony Vaio or a Dell (or an Alienware if you got the cash too splash).
EW
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2006.12.03 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Myang Li
Bad coding CANNOT cause a cpu to overheat and crash
it most certainly can. subroutines that result in programming loops can do this, junk requests to the processor can do this too. alot more goes on at the machine code level than people realize. hell, there have been unique virus's designed to spin up HDs till they burn up.
there is more than one processor in a PC, the CPU is not the only one, and i should have been more specific in my last post. my CPU is not my concern, but overall box temp shoots through the roof w/ eve even on low settings (box temp heads towards 50 C which is just crazy for the fact the box is a wind tunnel.
now why the hell would that happen when i run eve? but then i can load up doom 3 and watch a damm divx movie at the same time and have ZERO issues? .... i dont pretend to know everything, thus the giant ? over this issue, but all fingers point to the new client. i didn't fill my case w/ pencil shavings, i didn't redesign my airflow or anything. i simply loaded the patch. and the temps are one of many many issue I and others are having.
now my heat issues seem to be stemming from my video card and mobo, the pentium chip is doing ok though, good compound and good fan. now it is true, if you can keep a solid state device cold enough, you should be able to run it as FAST as you can cool. I'm guessing under XP cpu usage simply sits at 100%? (not suprising w/ microsoft). Well, just cause that window says 100% doesn't mean its running max. and you most certainly shouldn't be running at max 24/7. maybe if your computer freezes up and your proc is in a loop *wink*wink*
And those background programs like the SETI program use IDLE processor I thought. In fact, you can configure how much usage it can take from your system resources/network (if what my old man told me is right, he runs that stuff, i dont)
I'm not liquid cooling every device in my case, and while the HD/mobo/cpu/vidcard (got sensors and dig displays for most main systems) temps seem great under ANY other program, and under taxing multitasking situation. but amazingly, when i open eve, they shoot through the roof.... its absolutely crazy. Its not airflow, and i'm not just making this up.
What would Mr. Achem say?
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Frosty64
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Posted - 2006.12.03 02:05:00 -
[50]
Im running an AMD 64 3200+, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. Befor the Revelations Patch I could play eve from 9am est. to 8am est the next day, sleeping over night while idle in a station, burn a DVD and watch movies, vent, winamp, and solitaire at the same time with eve windowed. After the patch ive had 3. 3 shutdowns due to overheating. Not once did I have a problem, even with Doom 3 maxed (doesnt play well but as a test) My CPU never goes above 60c with doom 3. eve, however, sitting idle in the station, no sounds, graphics turned all the way down. I can watch and my cpu temp steadily climb from about 54c (idle temp) to over 100c (critical shutdown temp) from me doing absolutely nothing. Ive almost lost my Domi 3 times to this.. I dont know what to say. Ive turned off all the graphical goodness, sounds, lowest resolution, no z-buffer @ 16bit. and still, the temperature climbs well over the safe threshold to a critical level and forces a shutdown. I used to have a problem like this in the past with other games (i run multiple pcs in the same room) where the ambient temperature of the room could cause the internal case temp to rise and just compound everything, opening the side of the case solved this problem, I clean my pc about once a week but I do believe that a new Thermal Compound + Reseat of the heatsync is in order. However I NEVER had a problem befor the revelations patch...
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Malitest
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Posted - 2006.12.03 14:52:00 -
[51]
First of all the CPU is designed to run at full speed and the system should be designed to run at full speed on all components without slightest problems. My system never goes above 30C (it's around 23 in the room) with CPU and GPU going up to 55C under full load. Of course some programs can utilise the CPU/GPU better thus make it go hotter (as more parts of it are working) but that is normal and actually desired thing (called optimisation). You want your CPU/GPU to do as much work/unit of time.
Loud computer is not a sign of good airflow but of bad components. Worst of all are all those brand name computers with "cool" looks that are actually worst crap ever when it comes to cooling. If you give us the name of your case / model of the computer I'm sure we can advise you how to fix it to full operation.
Finally I want BOINC to use all free CPU cycles! My system can take it without any problems what so ever and BOINC never interferes with running of other programs so there is no point in throttling it down.
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Malitest
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Posted - 2006.12.03 14:54:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Frosty64
Im running an AMD 64 3200+, ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. Befor the Revelations Patch I could play eve from 9am est. to 8am est the next day, sleeping over night while idle in a station, burn a DVD and watch movies, vent, winamp, and solitaire at the same time with eve windowed. After the patch ive had 3. 3 shutdowns due to overheating. Not once did I have a problem, even with Doom 3 maxed (doesnt play well but as a test) My CPU never goes above 60c with doom 3. eve, however, sitting idle in the station, no sounds, graphics turned all the way down. I can watch and my cpu temp steadily climb from about 54c (idle temp) to over 100c (critical shutdown temp) from me doing absolutely nothing. Ive almost lost my Domi 3 times to this.. I dont know what to say. Ive turned off all the graphical goodness, sounds, lowest resolution, no z-buffer @ 16bit. and still, the temperature climbs well over the safe threshold to a critical level and forces a shutdown. I used to have a problem like this in the past with other games (i run multiple pcs in the same room) where the ambient temperature of the room could cause the internal case temp to rise and just compound everything, opening the side of the case solved this problem, I clean my pc about once a week but I do believe that a new Thermal Compound + Reseat of the heatsync is in order. However I NEVER had a problem befor the revelations patch...
What case do you have and what cooler for that Athlon? They do not run too hot (compared to p4s) so it is incredible that you manage to get it that high up in temperature.
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Frosty64
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Posted - 2006.12.03 17:42:00 -
[53]
i dont actually know the "name" of the case as its a handbuilt machine. however. there are 2 80mm exaust fans on the back. 1 80mm intake fan on the front, and 1 80mm intake fan... custom molded into the side ontop of my video card.
This morning ive taken off my heatsync and processor. cleaned off the crappy thermal compound pad that i recieved with the processor. (its a factory AMD heatsync with 80mm fan.) Took it to my shop and blew out the 1/4" layer of dust and debris that was caked ontop of the heatsync just under the fan. soaked it in purple power industrial de-greaser for approx 30 minutes. degreased the top of my cpu with the same (but watered down) stuff. let air dry under a hair drier for about 20-25 minutes to insure completely dry. Re-Seated the cpu and heatsync, minus any thermal compound because its sunday, and my local comp shop is closed, the big name box stores dont have any..
So far my idle temp went from 54-60C to 37C as it did the day i got it. Eve was hitting over 100C last night with the case open, large fan blowing in. Now it seems to run about 50-55C while idle in station, graphic goodness turned back on but still no sound. It does seem that I was a tad hasty at posting something but i apoligize. im going out monday and buying a nicer cooler + artic silver compound. I would advise everyone who is having overheating problems to check their northbridge and southbridge heatsyncs and fans. Leave the side of your case off and just watch them. chances are your fans are starting to go bad too.
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Nash Wraithwind
Dodge this inc
Vanu Space Command
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Posted - 2006.12.03 19:51:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Frosty64
i dont actually know the "name" of the case as its a handbuilt machine. however. there are 2 80mm exaust fans on the back. 1 80mm intake fan on the front, and 1 80mm intake fan... custom molded into the side ontop of my video card.
This morning ive taken off my heatsync and processor. cleaned off the crappy thermal compound pad that i recieved with the processor. (its a factory AMD heatsync with 80mm fan.) Took it to my shop and blew out the 1/4" layer of dust and debris that was caked ontop of the heatsync just under the fan. soaked it in purple power industrial de-greaser for approx 30 minutes. degreased the top of my cpu with the same (but watered down) stuff. let air dry under a hair drier for about 20-25 minutes to insure completely dry. Re-Seated the cpu and heatsync, minus any thermal compound because its sunday, and my local comp shop is closed, the big name box stores dont have any..
So far my idle temp went from 54-60C to 37C as it did the day i got it. Eve was hitting over 100C last night with the case open, large fan blowing in. Now it seems to run about 50-55C while idle in station, graphic goodness turned back on but still no sound. It does seem that I was a tad hasty at posting something but i apoligize. im going out monday and buying a nicer cooler + artic silver compound. I would advise everyone who is having overheating problems to check their northbridge and southbridge heatsyncs and fans. Leave the side of your case off and just watch them. chances are your fans are starting to go bad too.
Interesting that you could get that temperature without any thermal compound at all. I think likely it has to do with the extensive work you did to clean off both surfaces. Thanks for the info.
Nash
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Malitest
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Posted - 2006.12.03 20:24:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Frosty64
i dont actually know the "name" of the case as its a handbuilt machine. however. there are 2 80mm exaust fans on the back. 1 80mm intake fan on the front, and 1 80mm intake fan... custom molded into the side ontop of my video card.
This morning ive taken off my heatsync and processor. cleaned off the crappy thermal compound pad that i recieved with the processor. (its a factory AMD heatsync with 80mm fan.) Took it to my shop and blew out the 1/4" layer of dust and debris that was caked ontop of the heatsync just under the fan. soaked it in purple power industrial de-greaser for approx 30 minutes. degreased the top of my cpu with the same (but watered down) stuff. let air dry under a hair drier for about 20-25 minutes to insure completely dry. Re-Seated the cpu and heatsync, minus any thermal compound because its sunday, and my local comp shop is closed, the big name box stores dont have any..
So far my idle temp went from 54-60C to 37C as it did the day i got it. Eve was hitting over 100C last night with the case open, large fan blowing in. Now it seems to run about 50-55C while idle in station, graphic goodness turned back on but still no sound. It does seem that I was a tad hasty at posting something but i apoligize. im going out monday and buying a nicer cooler + artic silver compound. I would advise everyone who is having overheating problems to check their northbridge and southbridge heatsyncs and fans. Leave the side of your case off and just watch them. chances are your fans are starting to go bad too.
Great that it is working well now :)
And yes north and south bridge do tent do be overheated (and usually manufactureres save cash on fans so buying one 40mm can help a lot with stability ;)
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