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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:05:13 -
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Playing with multiple accounts at the same time has a long history within EVE Online, and has always been permitted. There are various ways to do it, and since thereGÇÖs been a lot of discussion surrounding what is and isnGÇÖt allowed, weGÇÖd like to clarify a few terms and exactly how the EULA and our Policies must be interpreted and how some things are shifting.
Over the last few weeks we have gone through an internal review process to clarify what exactly the EULA and ToS require in terms of input automation, input multiplexing and input broadcasting. This is the result of that review process and an outline of how we will interpret things going forward.
Firstly weGÇÖd like to go over a few terms.
Multiboxing
Multiboxing refers to playing as multiple separate characters, simultaneously, across a number of accounts, either by using multiple computers to run the game, or by using a number of instances of EVE on a single computer.
Uses for multiboxing range from scouts in PvP to gang boosting, support and ECM alts, as well as extra characters for hauling, mining and many other applications. Based on our EULA and Policies we would like to clarify that multiboxing is allowed.
Input Automation
Input Automation refers to actions that are commonly also referred to as botting or macroing. This term is used to describe, but is not limited to, the automation of actions which have consequences in the EVE universe.
Input Broadcasting & Input Multiplexing
Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing refer to the multiplication of inputs, actions and events to multiple instances of the game.
Going Forward
As of 15th of March 2013 we have been policing input automation based on a two-strike policy
GÇó1st strike for input automation is a 30 day ban GÇó2nd strike for input automation is a permanent ban
Input Automation remains strictly prohibited, and is policed under our suspension and ban policy.
Based on the discussion in this area and our will to be more clear and concise with the community regarding this part of our rules, we have decided to also apply this two-strike policy to prohibited forms of Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing as of January 1st 2015.
We would like to add, however, that we will not be taking action retroactively and will only be policing this policy as of January 1st, 2015.
Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.
This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to:
GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe GÇóInteraction with other characters
Examples of allowed Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are actions taken that do not have an impact on the EVE universe and are carried out for convenience:
GÇóEVE Online client settings GÇóWindow positions and arrangements (of the EVE Online client in your operating systemGÇÖs desktop environment) GÇóThe login process
NOTE: Please keep in mind that using the same password for multiple accounts as well as storing your password in a third party tool or script which helps you to automate the login process can increase the risk of account theft and hacking drastically. It is strongly recommended that you do not engage in this type of activity.
We are closely monitoring all game events for suspicious activity suggesting illicit behaviors, including Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing.
We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.
If you are uncertain about your Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing use-case, please get in contact with us, as we would prefer to work with members of the community to come to an amicable resolution. We will also follow up this statement with further clarifications if needed, based on questions and concerns from the community.
TL:DR :
Starting from 01.01.2015 the use of Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing is limited to activities which do not impact the Eve universe. For more details please refer to the entirety of this announcement.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:17:04 -
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Ama Scelesta wrote:RIP ISBoxer?
ISBoxer has some great uses outside of it's broadcasting functions. So maybe, but probably not.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:32:39 -
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progstate wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Ama Scelesta wrote:RIP ISBoxer? ISBoxer has some great uses outside of it's broadcasting functions. So maybe, but probably not. Your response is a bit like "Well, bumping Titans is kind of not allowed in some circumstances". Being a bit more specific on this topic would probably be appreciated. Well then be more specific in asking questions. CCP is using ISBOXER broadcasting to run a bomber wing or a synchronised fleet of mining vessels now against the EULA?
Using any method (including ISBoxer) to broadcast your clicks across multiple clients for bomber wings or mining vessels will be against the EULA starting January 1st.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:21:16 -
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ShadowandLight wrote:CCP Falcon, you stated multi boxing isn't banned in the thread of mine you locked. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5241567#post5241567 But In your own policy you seem to walk a very fine line between multi boxing and input duplication (using a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients). Quote:Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing of actions with consequences in the EVE universe, are prohibited and will be policed in the same manner as Input Automation.
This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to:
GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe GÇóInteraction with other characters So per your last statement you called my post rumor mongering, which I really am not. The entire point of isboxer is to allow a mouse and keyboard to control multiple clients effectively. This will kill a major reason to use such software.
Multiboxing is not against the rules. Read the OP again.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:47:10 -
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Arec Bardwin wrote:CCP, what is your stance on ISBoxing ship spinning of accounts simultaneously?
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.11.25 21:08:08 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:If you are uncertain about your Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing use-case, please get in contact with us, as we would prefer to work with members of the community to come to an amicable resolution. What category should we petition under? As I previously posted, I'm uncertain what "Input Broadcasting" and "Input Multiplexing" mean; are they the same thing? I can't find any useful answer via Google either.
EULA would be a good catergory
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
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CCP Random
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:27:13 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:To all those who intend to 'bend' the rules regarding ISboxer
It is good to see that gambling has been taken to a new level: my ability to circumvent the rules, bets that CCP will not be able to tell and perma ban my zillion accounts.
High stakes indeed.
I recommend to rethink this approach. It is detectable for us. |
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CCP Random
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:47:19 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Can you also detect someone using mouse drivers to send multiple commands with one button? We've been asking this for many, many pages now.
Yes. To quote the initial post:
Quote: We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.
The scope of this is controlling multiple accounts at the same time (in a semi-automated fashion which uses your input actions multiple times) for actions with meaning to EVE. The means you apply to archive this do not matter at all. |
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CCP Peligro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.04.23 16:48:15 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I accept they can detect RR but they can't detect what is RR and what is an efficient manual multiboxer, thus they will either detect both or neither. My stance on this has not changed so I'm not sure why you are so confused over this. This is based on what? Your extensive knowledge of CCP's backend systems, our logs and our detection code?
CCP Peligro - Team Security
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