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illuminati
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:08:00 -
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What i will fight for is to see Teister Removed from power.
Keep fighting 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:09:00 -
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Happy, rich, famous, and not in a pointless war..
yeah im really miserable 
And which of your many multiple personalities is that?
Sounds to me like you are either after Teister's job, or just green with envy? Sad case either way. Go back to flipping burgers you buffoon... 
Hehe - if you knew anything at all about us you would know why that is possibly the most assinine post on these entire boards.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:11:00 -
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Please ignore him Mr. Teister. This rouge is clearly talking about himself. No need to let him under your skin, he's probably too miserable in his own. Poor soul. Definitely worthy of pity... 
You do win the first pointless flame response of the thread award though m'dear.
For myself, I must say I am very impressed by the effort it took to collect and reproduce all those chatlogs with editorial commentary. Its been an interesting read over several cups of coffee.
And they do look undoctored and honest, because they don't always show Teister in the best available light. Its interesting political material and I applaud the work that went into it.
Morkt does have a point though; Teister does come off as aggressive and combatative - particularly when talking about the CFS "territory" and anti-pirate principles, but to be fair, he is dealing with some knuckleheaded pilots there from time to time.
This is quite key, because I think a big problem for CA is that Sarkos has been ignored by individual hotheads within his alliance.
The Oracle CEO attempts diplomacy and is often left looking silly from the actions of allied individuals. The JX-Fix hunter chap at the end is a case in point.
My own experience of the CFS is that they are too quick to be self-righteous but they usually prove to be reasonable if you manage to speak to the right people.
For example; I was absolutely furious with them over the M3G4 audience situation and the subsequent mixed messages over NVA access to Khanid and JX-Fix.
Combatative language upped the ante then as well.
The difference being I think that we didn't have ships in theatre, and pilots doing their best to provoke the situation further.
Calmer heads prevailed, and the true will of the Senate came through.
I must disagree with Teister's final analysis though;
Its lunacy to believe that CA wants to move in on CFS territory to avoid the fighting in Curse.
If you are getting beaten with a bloody stick by Evolution and FA ... why move closer?
No, I think this war has come about from poor diplomacy and agreements compromised by problem individuals. I believe its fairly obvious from Sarkos' reaction to the global KOS that he didn't see this coming and was negotiating in good faith - his problem is that most over people probably were not.
End of the day though, its almost certainly not a bad thing for the CFS.
Fleets need combat experience and now the CFS should get some.
For the CA however its just another war they don't need.
Love and peace
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Suo E'thgir
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:11:00 -
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And you have an ego to match the size of your big fat head. Fascinating!
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:14:00 -
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GEEZ Morkt, what is it you have against us?
... <snip> ...
In short, CFS avoided war while CA wanted it.
The CFS may tried to avoid war, Teister, but you actively courted it.
Like the way you tried to drag the CFS into a corp war with the most flimsy and baseless of reasons. I wonder, did you consult the Senate and vote on *that* little act before speaking?
Morkt has the measure of you.
Cheers,
TOM
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 16/10/2003 15:20:08
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he seams to have a put alot of effot into presenting the facts to me.....pages and pages of chat logs with information that sets out a time line.
This isnt complex, but it appears people are haivng difficulties with it:
You dont go and tell the leading news service in EVE to print only what you want them to print, you dont go and tell everybody who has a free opinion to go foxtrot oscar, and you dont print the "facts" as you put it (so badly).
You print the "evidence" to support an opinion, "your" opinion.
Stop telling us what are the facts and what aren't.
You really expect anybody but an idot to believe that every single member of the Curse Alliance is a pirate seeking the destruction of the CFS and domination of Khanid space?
This sort of theatrical propoganda is half of what annoys me so much about how CFS is acting in all this.
If you are all so sodding peaceful then end this war now.
Pretty simple proposition seems to me.
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Thumbar
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:14:00 -
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From what I've seen so far from them God knows they need it:)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:15:00 -
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And you have an ego to match the size of your big fat head. Fascinating!
Oh do shup up you pointless muppet. Lets have a political thread with some decent analysis ... run along and find a smack-talk thread to spam alt boy!
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Suo E'thgir
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:18:00 -
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Hehe... Jade are you really a girl? 
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Xenovetica
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:24:00 -
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Hehe... Jade are you really a girl?
::laughs::
Well, I'm not going to post my opinion on the CFS/CA matter for the 10th time, but I have to give you this Teister - I can't keep track of my logs from yesterday. X:
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Suo E'thgir
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:26:00 -
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Oh do shup up you pointless muppet. Lets have a political thread with some decent analysis ...
You call that an analysis? Sounds more like a propaganda campaing to smear Mr. Teister.
Who's alt are you anyhow? One of Morkt's cronies no doubt? Have you've been hitting that burger joint one time too many? Ask Morkt what he uses for special sauce... |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/10/2003 15:46:11
*lmao* a muppet has outed me as Morkt's alt ... the day can't get any more surreal ;)
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Noobious
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Noobious on 16/10/2003 15:28:29
[QUOTE]Today there was in incident out in the 0.0 belts between RAINMAN from CA and Janeway from CFS. Accusations of loot thefts and such flew at each other and some shots were fired, but no ship destroyed. I will not post the complete logs, just that part which shows the trigger-happy nature of CA members, and how quick they are to threat CFS with KOS. In hindsight, it seems that some of these players, now that they are allied with Sinister and RUS, and are in a large alliance, seem to think that this makes them bad azzes. This of course, creates problems when they begin to think they are above justice and responsibly for their actions. The rest of the incident was handled professionally by both CFS and to their credit, Curse Alliance. Apologies went back and forth, and RAINMAN left CFS space without incident. Nevertheless, this incident caused a slight ratcheting of the tensions between CFS and CA.
No Tesiter allow me to explain the full situation, a CFS member stole frOm the can of Rainman he was warned TWICE and was then fired on us being in Curse a nothing todo with it, we shoot can theifs simple. As stated both parties realised this was a mistake and we left it at that. Please try and get it through your thick skull us being in CA had bugger all todo with it he would have got shot anyway.
DO NOT USE A MEMBER OF MY CORP FOR YOUR SAD LITTLE RP BULL-SH1T.......
GEEK.
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:29:00 -
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Sarkos still has a lot to learn when it comes to politics, namely when to recognize that he's being used as a puppet. But hey, when people like Morkt starts saying stuff like
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As far as I can see Sinister is not a pirate corp any longer, they remounced piracy and their "old" piratical members left for the Legitimate Businessmans Club (amongst others, posix went to SI, others elsewhere).
Using the "old" Sinsiter reputation to label the entire CA as pirates is bit "rough" imo and its PR spin to present a fait-accompli opinion to the CFS membership:
it shows that their smoke and mirror show works even on people that should know better. So its no big suprise that Sarkos might actually believe the crap he spouts.
Its good to see the CFS joining this fight though, even if this post was way too long to actually fully read.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:39:00 -
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Just saying you are not a pirate anymore does not cut it. You have to actually stop committing acts of piracy, stop supporting piracy, stop associating with pirates, make an attempt at restitution to your past victims, and apologize for past wrongs.
All CA has done is say they are not pirates anymore then continue on their evil path.
CFS has learned just like CC has learned. You can't deal with pirates. History has proven over and over again that when governments try and make deals with tyrants it ends up blowing up in their faces and costing more in the long run.
Captain Scragg
Birds of Prey
***Proud member of the Curse Coalition***
Fighting to keep Curse Free and safe.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:41:00 -
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Sarkos still has a lot to learn when it comes to politics, namely when to recognize that he's being used as a puppet. But hey, when people like Morkt starts saying stuff like
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As far as I can see Sinister is not a pirate corp any longer, they remounced piracy and their "old" piratical members left for the Legitimate Businessmans Club (amongst others, posix went to SI, others elsewhere).
Using the "old" Sinsiter reputation to label the entire CA as pirates is bit "rough" imo and its PR spin to present a fait-accompli opinion to the CFS membership:
it shows that their smoke and mirror show works even on people that should know better. So its no big suprise that Sarkos might actually believe the crap he spouts.
Its good to see the CFS joining this fight though, even if this post was way too long to actually fully read.
Not really BLonde, my point isnt whether or nto SInister are good, bad or ugly.
The point is that their (previous) reputation is used as justification for war against another alliance.
I know the CFS Senate are ****ting themselves over loosing the PR "War" but its hardly surprising hwen they sit backa nd look at their stated alliance "stance & morals" and then look at how they are actively justifying a war. (A "war" for gods sake)
Both sides in this have tried to use EG as a propoganda weapon and both been highly embarassed by their failure to suceed it seems.
Democratic alliances arent supposed to do that sort of "****" though are they?
Im sitting up here in Lonetrek listening to the CFS leadership preach about "waging justifiable war" and thinking.. I wonder how long before im banned from CFS space because I just dont agree with their leaders?
(And lets not mention that the last i heard Khanid was still ruled by Khanid II not Teister I)
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Suo E'thgir
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:42:00 -
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*lmao* a muppet has outed me as Morkt's alt ... the day can't get any more surreal ;)
Who you callin 'muppet' you puppet?  Well at least you have a sense of humor.
And I must admit, you fascinate me!  You busy later? |
DarkMatters
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:49:00 -
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Morkt Drak so many stars in your thread
just grow up and learn some english, if you are going to flame make your post constructive and relevant so others dont just dismiss your point as that of a childs.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:49:00 -
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Who you callin 'muppet' you puppet?
you want to dance "Suo E'thgir" ? lets dance ...
From your profile you have made 5 posts (all in this thread) that leaves two possibilities and one certainty. In-game report shows you as Zitek (CFS) with a 0.0 sec rating (almost certainly an alt).
Possibility 1.
You a total newbie without a clue what is going on and have just joined a CFS corp and seen a cheer-leader opportunity from kicking off on Morkt and I ... big mistake.
Possibility 2.
You are a yellow-bellied coward without the guts to post as your main in a political discussion.
And the certainty?
You are a muppet ;)
Now m'dear, join the forum with your main and allegiance stated or run along to ma and pa and get back to dreaming of gals outside the trailer park!
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Well at least you have a sense of humor.
Always ;)
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And I must admit, you fascinate me! You busy later?
I must confess I prefer chaps with proven war-records and sec-ratings other than 0.0
Love and peace
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:49:00 -
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Also add to that several Key systems in Khanid are Empire Space, and have Security Ratings of 0.5 upwards.
Im struggling to see what right any alliance has to controll empire space, and am be-fuzzled (This should be a word if it isnt!) about how they can control space in which if they loose a shot, the police and sentries will kill them
Mercenary | The Azath |
Gaard
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:51:00 -
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First of all as long as a pirate doesn't reimburse all the people he killed / destroyed ship / or in some way stealed, i will still consider them as pirates and will fire on sight, whatever alliance they're part of. You can't buy yourself a clean past just by stopping piracy, you have to repair what you've done. Would you simply forgive a thieve which gathered billions through illegal activities cause just before being caught he shouted 'I give up stealing, hi-jacking and everything bad, honest !!' ?
Second about eve-guardian, i am sorry, but a web site that publish an article (and it all started with an article where the only source was CA PR) without cross-checking with the involved parties or neutral observers is just a tabloid, no more, no less, and has no right to the "NEWSpaper" title. Be it cause their editors are on one side, or cause they want to "raise sales" i don't know. But it doesn't change the fact a journalist should always check it's sources.
Now if you fail to see this, continue to buy tabloids and consider them as the one and only thruth. But if you do understand this, maybe you can understand teister ire at EG and will stop waving "freedom of printing" without understanding what it requires.
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Darth Tom
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:52:00 -
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*sigh*
So soon another thread lost to name calling and petty insults, rather than a credible discussion
Cheers,
TOM
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Saladin
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:53:00 -
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It seems convenient that Teister left out the conversation with the CA npc hunting party in JK-FIX. We were asked to leave because of negotiations we learned had occured overnight (which we did not know about until later). I'm not going to spam logs here, mainly because I don't save any. If you don't believe me, then I don't want your support.
After the CA npc hunting part agreed to leave on that sunday, and after assurances from Tiester that we would not be fired upon, one of us was fired on anyways. Tiester tried to weasel his way out of paying compensation for the 3 lost local hull conversions, and only paid up when action was threatened.
Furthermore, the Sinister members who were with us offered to quit their corporation to avoid causing problems for CA, but Tiester kept changing his conditions and raising the bar so that he could humiliate us.
While I will follow political line and decisions of CA, I myself will not support peace if Tiester is in power.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:57:00 -
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Morkt Drak so many stars in your thread
just grow up and learn some english, if you are going to flame make your post constructive and relevant so others dont just dismiss your point as that of a childs.
erm - like yours here you mean? 
Better yet, rather than dodging the point how about somebody from CFS actually starts answering some questions and points?
As with Teister, and alts, all we see here is outright hostility and no substence.
We now see CFS members openly talking about taking the war into Curse itself and seeking allies.
..
Whats next? Claiming Amarr?
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Valkyrium Larr
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Posted - 2003.10.16 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Valkyrium Larr on 16/10/2003 16:53:20
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As far as I can see Sinister is not a pirate corp any longer, they remounced piracy and their "old" piratical members left for the Legitimate Businessmans Club (amongst others, posix went to SI, others elsewhere).
WRONG! Sinister WAS still conducting acts of piracy in CFS space prior to the declaration of war. It was incursions like these in which inocent civilians, miners and haulers alike, were podded. That IS what sparked this conflict.
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Using the "old" Sinsiter reputation to label the entire CA as pirates is bit "rough" imo and its PR spin to present a fait-accompli opinion to the CFS membership:
Using the much older pretense "Sinister is not a pirate corp any longer" while still conducing acts of piracy, is not only a contradiction, but a futile attempt to insult our intelligence. Your reckless lopsided defense of these wanton pirates, makes you suspect of sharing bedsheets with them imo.
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Not really BLonde, my point isnt whether or nto SInister are good, bad or ugly.
The point is that their (previous) reputation is used as justification for war against another alliance.
XXX... the just cause for war is continued incursions, killing sprees and provocations from CA in CFS Space. Where have you been?
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Im sitting up here in Lonetrek listening
Ah, it all makes sense now. Mork, instead of sitting up in Lonetrek nice and confy, come and visit the south so you can face reality. Perhaps then you can add more substance to your words, since you would actually know first hand what is really happening down here instead of reading it from EG. |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 16:03:00 -
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Second about eve-guardian, i am sorry, but a web site that publish an article (and it all started with an article where the only source was CA PR) without cross-checking with the involved parties or neutral observers is just a tabloid, no more, no less, and has no right to the "NEWSpaper" title. Be it cause their editors are on one side, or cause they want to "raise sales" i don't know. But it doesn't change the fact a journalist should always check it's sources.
Now if you fail to see this, continue to buy tabloids and consider them as the one and only thruth. But if you do understand this, maybe you can understand teister ire at EG and will stop waving "freedom of printing" without understanding what it requires.
Oh wake up and smell the roses...
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Due to recent galactic conditions preventing any communications EG have been unable to verify this information or contact relevant parties for comments. EG do however already know of some core elements of this story and we feel that, whilst it may or may not be "neutrally exact", it does well represent the viewpoint from the CA side of the lines.
Try reading before spouting total rubbish...
Just where do the CFS get off telling everybody what they have to think and what they can say?
Did I just miss the bit where Teister and the CFS became pan-galactic thought police?
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.16 16:05:00 -
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Mr Tom,
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So soon another thread lost to name calling and petty insults, rather than a credible discussion
I do apologise for flaming the alt boy ... but he did manage to ask a personal question and accuse me of being Morkt's alt in two subsequent posts ...
I do agree, we should try to keep this civil, its an interesting political issue and both sides should keep their hotheads out of the discussion.
If I was "Suo E'thgir"'s CEO I'd be furious .. reflects very badly on Zitek and the CFS.
I personally would like to know more about this bullying the free press thing ... Eve Guardian always looked hardcore to me; I always got the impression they'd kick the crap out of me in PR if I ever tried to sell them a line.
Love and peace
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Seer
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Posted - 2003.10.16 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Seer on 16/10/2003 16:13:07
Edited by: Seer on 16/10/2003 16:11:56
The whole of this thread becomes a little clearer when one or two little points are highlighted.
CFS are lead in to this war by their 16yo leader whose bank balance grew enormously funnily enough as war was declared.
Maths anyone?
1 + 1 = ?
CFS have let this selfish child lead them into billions of isk of losses for his own personal gain.
Maybe now you realise why the PR campaign is so very very similar and thus equally as flawed as that of another alliance rhyming with vain
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.16 16:11:00 -
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I'm not sure Herr Teister's age is that relevant tbh.
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Seer
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Posted - 2003.10.16 16:12:00 -
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OK Ill make the important bit bold.... reread
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