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CCP Lebowski
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Posted - 2014.11.26 15:49:56 -
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Hello again quality conscious capsuleers,
As of today's Singularity update the new Tech 3 Destroyer AKA the Confessor is available for testing!
[Please be aware that this ship is still very incomplete, and various changes and fixes will be hitting Sisi over this week]
The full market should now be seeded with the Confessor and the relevant skill book (Amarr Tactical Destroyers)
There will be a forum thread and dev blog with the full stats and details of the Confessor, stay tuned.
As always, I will update this thread with a list of known issues.
Known/Reported Issues
- The mode change animation doesn't work correctly in warp.
- Contracts/View Contents/Ships Scanning/Killmails all display an item representing the ships current mode.
- Industry for the Confessor is incomplete.
- The cooldown for mode switching doesn't have its final message.
- Overview icon is incorrect
- The fitting window displays the subsystem symbols.
- The mode buttons do not have icon or final tooltips.
- One bonus is missing from the traits window (95% reduction to Probe Launcher CPU needs)
Happy testing!
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CCP Lebowski
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:14:12 -
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AnimeHeretic wrote:All the issues that i saw it looks like you covered. I would really like to get the bonuses working so i can test a proper fit.
Also a question, are the bonuses stacking penalized in any way? and if so, how? Its actually pretty frustrating, they were working in the previous build, we're investigating whats happened and we'll fix it as soon as we can.
As to stacking, the bonuses provided by the modes are not stacking penalized.
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CCP Lebowski
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:14:46 -
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Adri Kinsan wrote:Can we get the ship preview window to swap modes, like subsystem selection on t3 cruisers? Thanks for the suggestion. Ill pass it on to the relevant people.
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CCP Fozzie
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:21:43 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:I have a question regarding the tatical destroyers, not sure if it can/will be answered here so I will post it in the feedback thread also.
Will tatical destroyers remain there own gimmic and not influence strategic cruisers?
We think that the "Strategic" method of combining subsystems, and the "Tactical" method of switching between modes on the fly are both useful and viable branches of T3 ship design. You can expect us to keep working with both methods in the future, instead of trying to force all T3 ships into one or another.
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CCP Lebowski
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Posted - 2014.11.27 13:56:00 -
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Thanks for all the comments so far everyone. I've updated the known issues in the OP for today's Singularity build
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Posted - 2014.11.27 14:49:27 -
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Titus Tallang wrote:Confessors are currently not visible to combat probes. They don't show in any of the presets (including "show all"), and do not have an entry in the "edit probe filter" menu.
Feature or bug? Yep this has not yet been implemented, adding to the known issues, thanks!
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CCP Lebowski
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Posted - 2014.11.27 16:48:11 -
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Century 2100 wrote:Just found a new "questionable" feature. Right now on sisi you can change modes with out breaking gate cloak. Betting this is an error tied with the not changing states/bonus problems but passing it on as appropriate. I checked this out and this is by design actually. Modes aren't a module, so there's no precedent for them being disabled by a cloak.
Plus, on a personal note, seeing a cloaked ship transform is pretty awesome 
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CCP Fozzie
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Posted - 2014.11.27 17:45:53 -
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Lil' Brudder Too wrote:How soon will be be able to test whether or not we can actually build these...you know...before it hits TQ and everyone has to wait a day because you (CCP) forgot to actually attempt an invent job on them...?
You'll be able to build them in the next SISI update. Currently the only thing holding you back on SISI is the fact that the Self-Assembling Nanolattice blueprint isn't on the market.
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CCP Fozzie
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Posted - 2014.11.27 18:02:38 -
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Lil' Brudder Too wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Lil' Brudder Too wrote:How soon will be be able to test whether or not we can actually build these...you know...before it hits TQ and everyone has to wait a day because you (CCP) forgot to actually attempt an invent job on them...? You'll be able to build them in the next SISI update. Currently the only thing holding you back on SISI is the fact that the Self-Assembling Nanolattice blueprint isn't on the market. Soo, what Relic is flagged for reverse engineering this? because currently the Confessor is not listed as an outcome on any of them...(that are currently listed on the SiSi market)
That would be the Small Intact Hull Section, Small Malfunctioning Hull Section and Small Wrecked Hull Section. They'll be on the market on SISI tomorrow, and they're actually accessible on SISI now through the old fashioned "hack a talocan wreck" method.
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CCP Fozzie
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Posted - 2014.11.27 19:02:31 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: ....ok, the confessor isnt showing on combat probes. please let that be a bug 
Yup this is a known issue.
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CCP Lebowski
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Posted - 2014.11.28 13:50:41 -
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Hey all, the known issues have been updated with todays build. The most important thing to note is that the bonuses should now all be working, so please feel free to report any problems you find with them.
Thanks!
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Posted - 2014.11.28 16:17:07 -
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Salpun wrote:Engine trails are not complete in speed mode. Missing the two that are covered in the other modes. Upgrades for the existing booster effect system are being explored and considered by Team TriLambda. For now, however, the Speed Mode boosters are displaying the appropriate effect.
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CCP Lebowski
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Posted - 2014.12.01 14:43:10 -
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Unezka Turigahl wrote:So you want ALL pilots to have nothing and wait 18 weeks then? This is basically the crux of it. Please don't work under the assumption that we've got all these T3 Destroyers ready and we're just holding off for the sake of teasing or whatever. This just isn't the case.
While a lot of the underlying code work to make this happen is now complete, which should make the future ships easier to create in comparison, there's still plenty to be done and - excluding all other work required - our wonderful graphics team have been a bit busy recently.
In other news, the known issues are updated for today's build. 
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CCP Lebowski
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:34:54 -
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Dangeresque Too wrote:Any update on if there will be changes to the pretty subtle differences visually between modes? As far as I am aware these are all essentially final, at least for Rhea.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Just wondering had anyone else found the model buttons missing when ship switching in space?
This happened to me once but I haven't had the opportunity to try and reproduce it yet. This was an issue on previous builds, should now be resolved so please report it if you continue to have this issue.
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CCP Fozzie
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Posted - 2014.12.02 12:56:39 -
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Sorry Andreus Ixiris, but nobody is "entitled" to always receive their preferred faction's ships at the same time as everyone else.
We plan to use this method of release more and more in the future because:
a) It allows us to release content to all you players faster with the help of the new release cycle.
b) It gives players an opportunity to have a small but meaningful impact on the world of New Eden through their participation in events.
c) Far more players have expressed support for this method than have expressed opposition.
So in the future if you want access to your favourite faction's ships right away I advise you to participate and help your people win.
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CCP Fozzie
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Posted - 2014.12.02 13:11:41 -
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Sable Blitzmann wrote:Torgeir Hekard wrote:Sable Blitzmann wrote:Can you comment a bit about how the bonuses work on the backend for those of us who develop fitting applications? At first it seemed to be the Amarr Tactical Destroyer Defense/Prop/Sniper Mode items secretly being applied just like any module changing the stats of a ship. However, I took a look at the effect expressions from the SISI client and it doesn't really make much sense with the current attributes / expressions even tho the modes work fine in the game, which leads me to believe that it's either 1) hardcoded for now (bad bad bad!), 2) a different method of implementation that I cannot yet figure out I bought a fresh confessor (no module active) and fitted it with a rack of pulses with scorch, 2 TEs, 2 ODs, 2 SeBos. Also then swapped some stuff for 2 EANMs and a DCU later. After running some tests with switching modes, it looks like a mode behaves like a non-stacking-penalized module. That is, it applies full force after 2 modules affecting the same stat. And defensive mode does not interfere with DCU. So pretty much like Bastion. At least the numbers match. Well, I know how the math works with the bonuses. But I was more interested on how they are expressed in the backend. CCPs usual method of assigning effects to modules and writing an expression seems to be off in this particular case, and I was hoping that they would comment. For example, Propulsion Mode mode effects and attributes using modified Phobos and pyfa's itemDiff script: [+] Amarr Tactical Destroyer Propulsion Mode [+|n] modeAgilityPostDiv [+|n] modeVelocityPostDiv [+] capacity: 0 [+] hp: 40.0 [+] mass: 100.0 [+] metaLevel: 0 [+] modeAgilityPostDiv: 1.5 [+] modeVelocityPostDiv: 0.6 [+] techLevel: 1.0 [+] volume: 5.0 Digging further, the effect "modeAgilityPostDiv" basically states to take this modules `agilityBonus` attribute and apply it as an operation to the current ship's `agility` attribute. The only problem is: this module does not have an `agilityBonus` attribute to apply. There are these other attributes: `modeAgilityPostDiv` and `modeVelocityPostDiv`, however the effects don't use them. The effects seem to be broken currently unless I'm completely missing something.
The reason for this confusion is that the mode bonuses on the Confessor use a new way of authoring, storing and loading effects that we are planning to transition into more and more. The expressions you are reading for the modeAgilityPostDiv effect (and the other T3 mode effects) are junk data that aren't used by the client or server for these effects.
I'm talking to CCP Tuxford and CCP Foxfour about how we can start making these new effects visible to third party developers and we'll probably put something up in the dev communication channels once we have a plan figured out.
In the meantime feel free to ignore the expressions that you're seeing in those effects. Sorry about the confusion.
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CCP Fozzie
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Posted - 2014.12.02 16:09:20 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Mode buttons don't display if you board a Confessor in space.
I didn't check stats to see if any of the modes were active, however.
When did you experience this? It was a known issue previously but we thought we had it fixed in the current build.
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CCP Fozzie
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Posted - 2014.12.02 16:31:44 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:You may want to give that ship a bonus to probing.. Because it's pretty terrible. Asking people to commit a set of virtue implants (roughly 1.5 billion for a low grade and 2.5 for a mid grade), while flying a destroyer class ship with no cloak, no scanning bonus and worth 40 million isnt the smartest idea.
A 37.5% to a 70% (it's a combat scanning ship with no cloak) bonus to scanning would help a ton with it (tried it earlier with the mid slots filled with scanning mods and its a pain even to scan out a basic signature (actually failed to scan down a site, and anybody with eccm will be impossible to probe out with this combat prober, even with midslot scanning mods.
Not every ship is going to have everything you would ever want all in one package.
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CCP Lebowski
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Posted - 2014.12.02 18:03:13 -
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I appreciate your passion Andreus Ixiris, and your discontent has definitely been noted. Please refrain from getting too off topic though please, this thread is for feedback and bugs about the Confessor.
Primary This Rifter wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Mode buttons don't display if you board a Confessor in space.
I didn't check stats to see if any of the modes were active, however. When did you experience this? It was a known issue previously but we thought we had it fixed in the current build. Sometime last night. If you could submit a bug report with the specifics of this that would be great! I.e Where did the confessor you boarded come from? Was it assembled in a station or POS?Was this the first time you had boarded a confessor?
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