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Maradusa Macarthy Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:03:09 - [1] - Quote Hello fellow capsuleers, I just bought a toon that can only fly a laser legion atm and was wondering if it was possible to use it to solo c3's. If so, can you please give me a fit and some helpful advice on how to do this with minimum risk from getting ganked.
Caleb Seremshur The Atomic Fallout Kids 428	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:07:53 - [2] - Quote Minimising your risk is really more about how you play than about what you fit. If you're cautious you can last for years. Join channel Aussies in space to chat with AU/NZ players
Phoenix Jones Isogen 5 941	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:23:06 - [3] - Quote Maradusa Macarthy wrote: Hello fellow capsuleers, I just bought a toon that can only fly a laser legion atm and was wondering if it was possible to use it to solo c3's. If so, can you please give me a fit and some helpful advice on how to do this with minimum risk from getting ganked. Best fit for not getting ganked is 3 to 4 friends with you, and a scout on each hole, and at each pos, and to have monitored the hole for at least 2 weeks. Yaay!!!!
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2350	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:43:13 - [4] - Quote Short answer yes. Longer answer is I am not at my computer to look up fits.
Alundil Isogen 5 776	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:45:22 - [5] - Quote Yes I'm right behind you
Utari Onzo united system's commonwealth 53	Posted - 2014.11.27 21:50:54 - [6] - Quote Legion can run c3s pretty alright. I used to run them regular in that myself. Tengu is strictly better if you care about efficiency. All the tips about scouts/friends apply.
Lyron-Baktos Future Corps Sleeper Social Club 470	Posted - 2014.11.27 23:05:49 - [7] - Quote Pulse legion can solo all anom. sites easy. I did about 6 sites this morning for about 340m isk. About 2 hours start to finish How the fuck do you remove a signature?
Jack Miton Isogen 5 3976	Posted - 2014.11.27 23:41:26 - [8] - Quote Can it? Sure. Is it a good use of your time and SP to train into a PVE Legion? Hell no. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/
Maradusa Macarthy Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:09:10 - [9] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: Can it? Sure. Is it a good use of your time and SP to train into a PVE Legion? Hell no. I know, I know. I would never waste my time to train for a legion for any reason, the skills were there already when I bought the character. Hence the reason I bought the character is because all the core, support, navigation and gunnery skills are already trained and is very easy to get into multiple categories, which would take another 3 or 4 months, but for now I was just wondering if I can use this legion to run c3 sites while other skills are training.
Amak Boma Dragon Factory 33	Posted - 2014.11.28 01:19:42 - [10] - Quote legion for c3 - yes tengu for c3 - better and wins on all conditions. legion takes quite long to fry sleepers while tengu do its job pretty fine

Keith Planck Lazerhawks 957	Posted - 2014.11.28 20:25:41 - [11] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=c3+legion&forumID=2934 Got a huge list of references for legion/c3 information "Jack Miton liked your forum post:"
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 157	Posted - 2014.11.29 00:09:23 - [12] - Quote You might want to try something like the following, though I'd honestly rather be lazily tapping F1 in a Gila than fly either Legion or Tengu. [Legion, Nalletus] True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink 10MN Afterburner II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Medium Anti-EM Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Nanobot Accelerator II Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Adust the number of capacitor modules to suit your fear of being neuted out.
Maradusa Macarthy Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.11.29 04:47:36 - [13] - Quote Godfrey Silvarna wrote: You might want to try something like the following, though I'd honestly rather be lazily tapping F1 in a Gila than fly either Legion or Tengu. [Legion, Nalletus] True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink 10MN Afterburner II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Medium Anti-EM Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Nanobot Accelerator II Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Adust the number of capacitor modules to suit your fear of being neuted out. what kind of range do you get using conflag? Or is using faction ammo any better?
MooMooDachshundCow Incertae Sedis 149	Posted - 2014.11.29 05:33:53 - [14] - Quote Maradusa Macarthy wrote: Godfrey Silvarna wrote: You might want to try something like the following, though I'd honestly rather be lazily tapping F1 in a Gila than fly either Legion or Tengu. [Legion, Nalletus] True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink 10MN Afterburner II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Medium Anti-EM Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Nanobot Accelerator II Legion Defensive - Nanobot Injector Legion Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Legion Offensive - Liquid Crystal Magnifiers Legion Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Legion Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Adust the number of capacitor modules to suit your fear of being neuted out. what kind of range do you get using conflag? Or is using faction ammo any better? Eve Fitting tool (EFT) is your friend, but don't take him TOO seriously Yeah, well, it's just like my-á*opinion*, man.
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 157	Posted - 2014.11.29 12:05:12 - [15] - Quote Maradusa Macarthy wrote: what kind of range do you get using conflag? Or is using faction ammo any better? The corn flake stats are 730dps@11km+5km, but most of the time you will be using Scorch which puts out 521dps@33km+5km. I tended to use faction ammo only when I needed extra tracking for shooting close orbiting frigates. Otherwise t2 ammo tends to work better. Navy Multi gives 654dps at the same range as corn flakes but with better tracking. The poor range of guns of all kinds is why Tengu is so popular over other t3's. That damage application at any range against any sort of target is what makes missile ships so silly in PvE.
Foedus Latro Isogen 5 30	Posted - 2014.11.29 15:45:07 - [16] - Quote I feel like the web is important for this fit. Also easier done with boosts obviously. Tengus are popular because of the range they can take out the site at. From experience they are a bit more difficult to catch Isogen 5 \| Wormhole PvP Corporation Diplomat
Kupena Enso Corp 7	Posted - 2014.12.01 11:11:48 - [17] - Quote Flying with 2x MARs is much safer and less bling than 1x blue MAR. People will disagree, but meh, a pvp corporation can make some good isk on some of the better modules dropping, so whatever. CCP recently fixed sleeper remote repair so it has become much harder to solo without a web. Previous to that I was not using web, just manual piloting and faction multifreq on frigates. Ideally you want no more and no less than 600-650tank. Cap stable with 2x MAR, pulse lasers, 2-3x t2 heat sinks, web, afterburner - that's a pretty standard fit. Of course plug that resistance hole. Play around in EFT and do some testing - that is the only ways to understand how your ship operates. A lot depends on your character skills. Not getting ganked is all up to you. I've never lost a pve combat ship in WHs. Been close - i've warped out of interdiction bubbles, killed tackling interceptor, logged off in the static, all that jazz.
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 157	Posted - 2014.12.01 11:54:12 - [18] - Quote The problem with 2xMAR is that you probably need the cap regen subsystem to make it stable, and changing from cap amount to cap regen subsystem loses you one turret hardpoint, which loses you DPS, which is BAD. The 1xMAR fit tanks some 500ish dps, which makes it a bit squishier than the double-repper fit, but still pretty tanky.
TXG SYNC Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude 115	Posted - 2014.12.01 18:07:55 - [19] - Quote I did a write-up on this some time back that is still mostly valid: http://txgsync.wordpress.com/2014/01/02/solo-c3-strategic-cruisers/ Due to the risk posed these days by frigate holes and frequent harassing interceptors, I'd carry a mobile depot with tracking computers, webs, target painters, warp stabs, and an interdiction nullifier subsystem. The interceptor won't do enough damage to your mobile depot to take it out before you can refit, and it's a better GTFO option if you're "truly solo" before the rest of his fleet drops on you. You will typically want to drop the depot & MTU right at the start of the site or else you'll have zero chance of refitting before a fleet drops on you. Those fits in my post are, of course, cheap starter fits. About 25 minute site completion times on average warp-to-warp for me with my skills. Salvaging adds a bit of time on the back-end. You can radically bring down the site completion times by opting for a shinier fit with more DPS, but that's left as an exercise to the reader. The fits in my post are pretty much idiot-proof C3 site-running fits if skills are all to 4 or better and all mods can be equipped as listed, but I definitely need to do a follow-up post about use of mobile depots and refits to give you a better chance of escape when your friendly neighborhood ammunition delivery service shows up.
Maradusa Macarthy Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:32:48 - [20] - Quote Thank you for the link. And you suggest many times not to solo a C3 in a legion because you'll eventually get ganked. Actually I wouldn't have a problem with that as long as I can even out my loss/gain ratio, just so I can get the experience. But the one big problem I have with t3's is the loss of SP on death (which CCP should really remove since t3's aren't overpowered anymore). But because of the SP losing threat I'm considering to try and run c2/c3's in a zealot, navy omen or ashimmu instead. After I gotten my feat wet then try running them in a legion.

Maradusa Macarthy Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.12.03 00:36:05 - [21] - Quote Lyron-Baktos wrote: Pulse legion can solo all anom. sites easy. I did about 6 sites this morning for about 340m isk. About 2 hours start to finish Care to share a fit with me? Or and tips on how you avoided getting ganked?
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 157	Posted - 2014.12.03 01:38:58 - [22] - Quote Maradusa Macarthy wrote: I'm considering to try and run c2/c3's in a zealot, navy omen or ashimmu instead. Something like this might work. Costs practically nothing. The dps is a bit underwhelming to my tastes, but Zealot is still a surprisingly capable boat and comes surprisingly close to legion for a fraction of the price. You can replace capacitor rigs or modules with something more useful, if you feel confident about not being neuted out. [Zealot, PvE] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Maradusa Macarthy Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.12.03 02:17:25 - [23] - Quote Godfrey Silvarna wrote: Maradusa Macarthy wrote: I'm considering to try and run c2/c3's in a zealot, navy omen or ashimmu instead. Something like this might work. Costs practically nothing. The dps is a bit underwhelming to my tastes, but Zealot is still a surprisingly capable boat and comes surprisingly close to legion for a fraction of the price. You can replace capacitor rigs or modules with something more useful, if you feel confident about not being neuted out. [Zealot, PvE] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Can this run C3's? Can you post me the stats on this fit? My alt has All gunnery support, armor tank and amarr cruiser at level 5.
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 157	Posted - 2014.12.03 15:54:40 - [24] - Quote Try plugging it into Pyfa http://www.pyfa.net/ With multifreq the all V dps is 573, more with Conflag and less with Scorch. The tank is 323dps with 640m/s speed and 125 signature, which makes it easily enough for C2 and should be enough for C3 as well if you can keep moving at range. For comparison, the Gila I use for ratting, when I am so bored that even red crosses start to look good, does over 900dps and tanks 313HP/s with 666m/s speed and 159 sig and it does just fine in wormholes.
TXG SYNC Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude 115	Posted - 2014.12.03 21:25:55 - [25] - Quote Godfrey Silvarna wrote: ...it does just fine in wormholes. C2, sure. C3... well, I needed a new pair of shorts after trying it on Sisi today. The buffer is SCARY thin for C3 work. Maybe with a set of Slaves or something, or better piloting skills on my part!
Godfrey Silvarna Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 157	Posted - 2014.12.03 23:04:18 - [26] - Quote TXG SYNC wrote: The buffer is SCARY thin for C3 work. True that. Even though the repair rate is sufficient, I had failed to considered the buffer, which is indeed a bit thin. The gila I used as comparison has a much more substantial buffer. I think I'll give a Zealot like this a try just for ***** and giggles after I lose the next Gila, which will happen, since I do c1-c3 sites only when I am either dangerously tired, dangerously bored or dangerously drunk.
Maradusa Macarthy Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.12.04 01:11:58 - [27] - Quote Godfrey Silvarna wrote: Try plugging it into Pyfa http://www.pyfa.net/ With multifreq the all V dps is 573, more with Conflag and less with Scorch. The tank is 323dps with 640m/s speed and 125 signature, which makes it easily enough for C2 and should be enough for C3 as well if you can keep moving at range. For comparison, the Gila I use for ratting, when I am so bored that even red crosses start to look good, does over 900dps and tanks 313HP/s with 666m/s speed and 159 sig and it does just fine in wormholes. A Gila does fine in wormholes, really? Can it solo C3's? I have a scanning, salvaging, jamming and boosting alt to help inside the wormholes. (Some cloaked)


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