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Aben Sokoln
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:20:27 -
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I just had a newbro do this to go pick up more skills, just to find him stuck in highsec. I get it, death cloning across nullsec to rapidly deploy forces on two different ends of the universe makes no sense, but this has nothing to do with it. All this does is harm new players who join nullsec alliances. They are forced to get jump clone skills and have their character trapped for a day just so they can inject some new skills (which in the first month you need to many times).
There shouldn't be a penalty for podding back to just your school. The station you previously set as home remotely should remain available. There would be no way of abusing this to project power, which is why all this nonsense was introduced. If a null block wants to use this to mass move a bunch of players, good luck, because now they are all scattered on the 4 corners of highsec.
I thought that is how it worked before I sent that newbro on is trip, and I don't see why this shouldn't be the case. This way new players are not penalized for joining alliances that require them to set their clone remotely because its in nullsec where newbros cant fly there because of gatecamps. |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
8695
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:24:18 -
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1st
I like Jelly.
Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap.
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
305
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:25:46 -
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too lazy to read dev blogs?
too stupid?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=376666&find=unread
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Aben Sokoln
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:28:57 -
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I thought it said that 30 day newbros can do an unlimited amount, but in fact it says once per corp, so the only work around is to kick him from the corp and reinvite him. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5325
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:30:04 -
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And one universal truth rings true in EVE: Don't kill yourself unless you are absolutely sure you know what you are doing.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
23957
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:32:06 -
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The new process was explained well enough before it was introduced.
Instead of coming to whine about how you didn't understand the change and gave bad advice, it's worth understanding game mechanics before you give advice at all.
If he's less than 30 days old and you have an office or HQ where he needs to get back to, then have him drop Corp and rejoin.
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Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari
End of Life
38661
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:33:01 -
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OR you could do the much more logical thing and move the skillbooks to the character instead of the character to the skillbooks. This doesn't hurt anyone except people that are too stupid to know what the word logistics means.
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Aben Sokoln
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:33:18 -
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I'm not whining, I detailed how it can be easily improved on and made much less bad for new players. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
23959
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:38:47 -
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Aben Sokoln wrote:I'm not whining, I detailed how it can be easily improved on and made much less bad for new players.
It's only bad for new players when their experienced corpmates don't know what they are talking about.
If you have a features suggestion, then take it to the right forum.
It's an easy enough mistake to make when things change, but that's when reading is better than assuming.
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Aben Sokoln
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:42:26 -
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I get it, I made a mistake you don't have to keep making your snarky replies of how bad I am and how I need to read every devblog. But I'm trying to explain how this situation shouldn't exist. Why is it harder to get skills now, considering getting skill books affects new players the most. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
23967
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:49:36 -
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This is GD, not F&I.
The comments are the way they are, not because of the topic, but because of the location.
If you want a general discussion about the mechanics, then the general consensus around that seems to be that this occurred because of assumption, poor advice and lack of logistics around supporting new players in your area.
If you post this in F&I, then the discussion will be different.
Going forward, it's probably worth having a heap of starter type skillbooks bought in with a jump freighter or however you manage your logistics, so that you can sell/hand out directly and not have to worry about this again.
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Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari
End of Life
38674
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:53:03 -
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Aben Sokoln wrote:I get it, I made a mistake you don't have to keep making your snarky replies of how bad I am and how I need to read every devblog. But I'm trying to explain how this situation shouldn't exist. Why is it harder to get skills now, considering getting skill books affects new players the most.
You're complaining about something that was changed specifically BECAUSE it was too easy for people to use death cloning for travel.
Use a damn transport/freighter like everyone else does to move stuff from high to null. It's really not a difficult concept.
Your "idea" isn't an idea, it's you missing the point of a change and asking CCP to reverse it.
LAGL Cosplayer. Princess of Sibyyl's Pillowfort. This is my jam!
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Aben Sokoln
Concordiat
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:59:46 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Aben Sokoln wrote:I get it, I made a mistake you don't have to keep making your snarky replies of how bad I am and how I need to read every devblog. But I'm trying to explain how this situation shouldn't exist. Why is it harder to get skills now, considering getting skill books affects new players the most. You're complaining about something that was changed specifically BECAUSE it was too easy for people to use death cloning for travel. Use a damn transport/freighter like everyone else does to move stuff from high to null. It's really not a difficult concept. Your "idea" isn't an idea, it's you missing the point of a change and asking CCP to reverse it.
How is going to a highsec starter system helping people project power? |
Sarah McKnobbo
McKnobbo Universal Traders
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Posted - 2014.11.29 00:19:20 -
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Aben Sokoln wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Aben Sokoln wrote:I get it, I made a mistake you don't have to keep making your snarky replies of how bad I am and how I need to read every devblog. But I'm trying to explain how this situation shouldn't exist. Why is it harder to get skills now, considering getting skill books affects new players the most. You're complaining about something that was changed specifically BECAUSE it was too easy for people to use death cloning for travel. Use a damn transport/freighter like everyone else does to move stuff from high to null. It's really not a difficult concept. Your "idea" isn't an idea, it's you missing the point of a change and asking CCP to reverse it. How is going to a highsec starter system helping people project power?
Because the freighter/hauler you use to go to the starter system could just as easily go to anywhere other than said starter system....
Also, how come your alliance can't supply skillbooks? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7339
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Posted - 2014.11.29 00:28:37 -
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Sarah McKnobbo wrote:Aben Sokoln wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Aben Sokoln wrote:I get it, I made a mistake you don't have to keep making your snarky replies of how bad I am and how I need to read every devblog. But I'm trying to explain how this situation shouldn't exist. Why is it harder to get skills now, considering getting skill books affects new players the most. You're complaining about something that was changed specifically BECAUSE it was too easy for people to use death cloning for travel. Use a damn transport/freighter like everyone else does to move stuff from high to null. It's really not a difficult concept. Your "idea" isn't an idea, it's you missing the point of a change and asking CCP to reverse it. How is going to a highsec starter system helping people project power? Because the freighter/hauler you use to go to the starter system could just as easily go to anywhere other than said starter system.... Also, how come your alliance can't supply skillbooks?
Given the OP's corp name it's probably some Bushido crappola.
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1621
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Posted - 2014.11.29 00:38:52 -
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Aben Sokoln wrote:I just had a newbro do this to go pick up more skills, just to find him stuck in highsec. If only we had some kind of vehicles that could carry us across space.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Eschelon Directive
Universal Consortium
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Posted - 2014.11.29 01:32:42 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Aben Sokoln wrote:I just had a newbro do this to go pick up more skills, just to find him stuck in highsec. If only we had some kind of vehicles that could carry us across space.
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Steppa Musana
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.29 01:50:14 -
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Oh look, someone asked a question after making a mistake! Quick, time to get on the bandwagon and lament him with personal insults. Our lives suck but I bet this will make us feel better!!!
Toxic GD posters, you should all be ashamed of yourselves.
OP take your idea to F&I, it's not a bad one, unlimited death clone jumping between HQ and birth system seems reasonable at least for newer players without having to use corp flip mechanics
Crumplecorn wrote:Aben Sokoln wrote:I just had a newbro do this to go pick up more skills, just to find him stuck in highsec. If only we had some kind of vehicles that could carry us across space.
Crimplecorn's NPE: Having newbros get stuck in bubble camps and podded back to their home system. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1718
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Posted - 2014.11.29 02:04:53 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:
Crimplecorn's NPE: Having newbros get stuck in bubble camps and podded back to their home system.
If the 'new guy' needed skillbooks AFTER moving to Null, then firstly either they moved him out there without setting him up or he's not a new guy.
Considering you start with a Frigate skill and access to gunnery skills and the support skills within 24 hours.
Meaning by the time he needs more skill books he can be perfectly set up for both Cov Ops & Interceptors. Meaning he won't be getting stuck in bubble camps & podded.
And of course, being in a Null corp they can provide him an escort to help him along.
Or just get him the damn books.
There are many solutions to this, rather than simply changing the game simply so Null Corps can be lazy and get everything handed to them on a platter. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
944
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Posted - 2014.11.29 02:19:45 -
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Posting in an epic thread.
Yaay!!!!
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4881
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Posted - 2014.11.29 02:52:08 -
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Aben Sokoln wrote:I thought it said that 30 day newbros can do an unlimited amount, but in fact it says once per corp, so the only work around is to kick him from the corp and reinvite him.
Stupidity it is...
It clearly says:
Once per year, characters can move their medical clone to either their corp HQ, or any station in which their corporation has an office. This option does not accumulate if it is unused.
For characters less than 30 days old, every time they change corp this counter will reset and they will be able to move their clone again.
Now, again, it very clearly says that there is an annual timer...Unless the character is less then 30 days old, then the timer is reset, every time they change corp
Sorry, but it was quite clear how it worked. That you misread it...that's not their fault.
So, yes, change of corp is the only option you have atm.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4881
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Posted - 2014.11.29 02:54:12 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:OR you could do the much more logical thing and move the skillbooks to the character instead of the character to the skillbooks. This doesn't hurt anyone except people that are too stupid to know what the word logistics means.
This, very much this.
How hard is it, that if you bring in new players to null-sec to help them settle in.
You have a JC, use that JC to buy in bulks of skillbooks and ship them into null-sec and supply your new players with the skillbooks.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4881
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Posted - 2014.11.29 02:57:17 -
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Aben Sokoln wrote:I get it, I made a mistake you don't have to keep making your snarky replies of how bad I am and how I need to read every devblog. But I'm trying to explain how this situation shouldn't exist. Why is it harder to get skills now, considering getting skill books affects new players the most.
It's not harder.
It's working as intended. If people use it in a different way because they are taught wrong, yes...it's harder. Don't blame the game, blame the teacher.
Also, as said...If you are so good to bring new players into null-sec (and I do mean that as a good thing, we need more people to keep them new players from thinking they MUST mine / mission in high-sec for the first year) then just go and get the books from high-sec and move them to null-sec. So you can supply your new players with the books they need.
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4881
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Posted - 2014.11.29 02:59:32 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Oh look, someone asked a question after making a mistake! Quick, time to get on the bandwagon and lament him with personal insults. Our lives suck but I bet this will make us feel better!!! Toxic GD posters, you should all be ashamed of yourselves. OP take your idea to F&I, it's not a bad one, unlimited death clone jumping between HQ and birth system seems reasonable at least for newer players without having to use corp flip mechanics Crumplecorn wrote:Aben Sokoln wrote:I just had a newbro do this to go pick up more skills, just to find him stuck in highsec. If only we had some kind of vehicles that could carry us across space. Crimplecorn's NPE: Having newbros get stuck in bubble camps and podded back to their home system.
Who says that the new guy have to carry his books.
Why not have one of those veterans with his JF / BR / Inty or so haul them in for their alliance. Just sayin'
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2014.11.29 03:02:33 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Crimplecorn's NPE: Having newbros get stuck in bubble camps and podded back to their home system. Damn right. You don't learn a harsh game without some die and retry, and you don't get much out of EVE if you spend your time trying to avoid dealing with the other players.
I don't expect you to understand that if you're the type to ask the developers for help every time a game is hard.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5741
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Posted - 2014.11.29 03:36:19 -
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learn something new every day around here
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1320
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Posted - 2014.11.29 06:34:43 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Aben Sokoln wrote:I get it, I made a mistake you don't have to keep making your snarky replies of how bad I am and how I need to read every devblog. But I'm trying to explain how this situation shouldn't exist. Why is it harder to get skills now, considering getting skill books affects new players the most. You're complaining about something that was changed specifically BECAUSE it was too easy for people to use death cloning for travel. Use a damn transport/freighter like everyone else does to move stuff from high to null. It's really not a difficult concept. Your "idea" isn't an idea, it's you missing the point of a change and asking CCP to reverse it.
Exactly this. Your new player is being punished for using a mechanic in a fashion it does not exist for. It was changed to the once a year thing, so that they could get out to nullsec the first time to get to a corps staging location with ease, not so they could bounce back and forth to high sec willy nilly. It's a shame though, that noone in your corp bothered to educate the player of this restriction, or advised them to set up a jump clone first, which would have worked perfectly. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
Don't Tell Me The Odds
6042
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Posted - 2014.11.29 11:10:40 -
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Aben Sokoln wrote:I get it, I made a mistake you don't have to keep making your snarky replies of how bad I am and how I need to read every devblog. But I'm trying to explain how this situation shouldn't exist. Why is it harder to get skills now, considering getting skill books affects new players the most.
Someone literally just explained to you that it's not hard to get skillbooks at all. You just need competent logistics. How are you in any kind of position to introduce new players to EVE if you don't even know how to EVE yourself?
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
Don't Tell Me The Odds
6042
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Posted - 2014.11.29 11:11:35 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:learn something new every day around here
No matter how hard you try not to...
HEIL SANSHA!!! 
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic
Did he say Jump
148
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Posted - 2014.11.29 13:17:21 -
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Build a Providence and fill it with skillbooks, use it as a mobile library to deliver skillbooks to the far reaches of New Eden and beyond. You could even make an escort fleet and call them The Librarians, in costume with black framed glasses.
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