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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 19:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Hori To
the difference is Rodj, your slaves can not quit and find something else to do. A man or woman should be free to do their own mistakes and learn from them.
But if they quit working for Camar, he'll still be keeping tabs on them, and they'll starve!
What sort of freedom is that?
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Camar
Stormriders
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Posted - 2006.09.06 19:55:00 -
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Correction Rodj, if they chose to leave us we do not continue to keep records of them. And if they wish to seek another job or employer they are free to do so as any free man or woman.
No man or woman will ever leave SRS with nothing, unless they so desire, no matter the path they chose to continue on.
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Hori To
Minmatar
Rifter Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.06 20:05:00 -
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Edited by: Hori To on 06/09/2006 20:05:49
they might starve, they might not, that would depend on the quality of their decision, but it would be their decision.
I am sure Camar can explain what intent lies behind his actions better than I.
edit: and it seems he already did.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.06 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Camar
Correction Rodj, if they chose to leave us we do not continue to keep records of them. And if they wish to seek another job or employer they are free to do so as any free man or woman.
No man or woman will ever leave SRS with nothing, unless they so desire, no matter the path they chose to continue on.
If you don't keep records on them, then how can you be sure what happens to them after they leave you?
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Camar
Stormriders
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Posted - 2006.09.06 21:12:00 -
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As I stated in an earlier post in this topic, those up to this date wanted us to be able to contact them and help them with various tasks and that we kept records of them for various reasons.
I do not take responsibility for what they do in their future lives however, but we do not leave them starving but providing them with a good start with the ability to "fall back" on SRS if they would fall into hardship of some kind. As our previous actions has shown we also work with the republic helping thousands finding new jobs and careers inside the republic.
I believe U'K, EM and NMTZ are all working more favorable for former slaves then we do, as well as a lot of other matari corporations.
But I shall not glorify SRS or trying to pretend to be something we are not. If we had the ability to strike at some amarr planet or habitation we would do it in an instant not thinking twice about it.
Those freed by us do not starve however, nor sent to the gutter or some horrible existance, which was the point of my numerous posts in this topic.
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Nachshon
Caldari
Tyrfing Securities
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Posted - 2006.12.06 05:58:00 -
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It seems that we have different definitions of freedom. You speak of freedom as freedom from worldly concerns. We speak of freedom as freedom to choose your own destiny, a freedom you deny not only to your slaves, but to yourselves.
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Aegis Celestis
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.12.06 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nachshon
It seems that we have different definitions of freedom. You speak of freedom as freedom from worldly concerns. We speak of freedom as freedom to choose your own destiny, a freedom you deny not only to your slaves, but to yourselves.
words after my own heart.
the rapturously valuable and elusive "freedom" is the opportunity to enact your own desires, and pursue your own happiness, or suffering.
if the "free" decide to squander life away in a some alley or gutter rife with disease, adultery, and drug abuse, so be it. choice. choice, is what separates the free from the enslaved.
the freedom to make your own choices, be they to serve god, to revel in selfish desire or rise above to success, is what freedom truly is.
we can argue all day long about the semantics and definitions of freedom, and how corporation and governments tread upon these same freedoms, but in the end the establishments (governments, corporations, and alliances) exist to do one thing : limit those freedoms.
the burning question in my mind is - why assume that anyone BELIEVES in your god?
choice, again, would scream for religious freedom.
not everyone believes in such things. and who would, in a world where you must kill ten million to save one?
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Luke Pubcrawler
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Posted - 2006.12.06 10:55:00 -
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As a result of a slight misunderstanding with an Agent in the employ of the Amarr Empire I have myself just become the owner of some 5000 or so slaves. Having served various Imperial ministries for sometime I have of course acquired a few slaves on previous occassions - they come in useful for keeping the hanger tidy and other menial tasks and some of the non-brutor females are quite decorative.
Despite my Gallente origins my intention is to remain within the Empire, indeed my standings with it are vastly superior to those with my native Federation. However I am at a complete loss with regards to my new horde of slaves, frankly they are taking up valuable hanger space and before long I will have to start feeding them. Is there a market within the Empire where 5000 slaves can be disposed of easily ? I have no wish to resort to the measures advocated by the Caldari poster to this forum, but if I cannot get rid of them soon such action may become neccessary. Any holder wishing to acquire the whole group as a job lot should feel free to contact me.
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Thomas Maleficus
Caldari
Monkeys With Syphilis
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Posted - 2006.12.06 14:59:00 -
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I manage my slave by taking them through amarr space to a little place I cal 9uy where I turn them over to help the cause of my freedom fighting friends. Where do my slaves come from? Let me tell you. With my good standing in the Amarr empire, I fly in, watch around stations and scan incoming convoys, the ones carrying slave I free from the bondage that is their ship and scoop up the slaves. Then I go about my way and return them to their brethern to help free more slaves. 
Quote:
The Gallente are content with letting their workers destroy their minds, bodies, and souls with tripe and sin
Tripe huh? didn't know that cow stomach lining destroyed minds bodies and souls. 
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Funmaster Bob
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.06 17:53:00 -
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Your 'oh so witty' one liners are trying my patience, if you cannot hold adult conversations, Im sure there are more childish threads for you to continue your babbling.
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Cold is Gods way of telling us to burn more sinners.
I am the Funmaster, NONE shall have fun while Im in control. |
Thomas Maleficus
Caldari
Monkeys With Syphilis
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Posted - 2006.12.06 19:21:00 -
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One liners huh? You some kind of illiterate? Try reading amarr there was more than one line there. For the record I don't care how much I annoy you, that is your problem to deal with not mine.
Pirates stole my signature. |
Funmaster Bob
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.06 19:32:00 -
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Im sure you imagine yourself intelligent, as Im sure you look in a mirror and imagine yourself handsome. Let me be the first to say, your pointless drivel is mildly amusing at best. At worst it reflects poorly on your education and on the establishment where this sorry activity took place. I pity your tutors.
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Cold is Gods way of telling us to burn more sinners.
I am the Funmaster, NONE shall have fun while Im in control. |
Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.12.07 02:54:00 -
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a cage is still a cage regardless of how you choose to hide the bars scum.
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Aava Nefarr
Order of the Blessed Sisters of Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.07 03:06:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Hakera
a cage is still a cage regardless of how you choose to hide the bars scum.
Why do you think your criticism does not apply to yourself?
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Ho HsienKo
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Posted - 2006.12.07 04:52:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Jhix
Edited by: Jhix on 03/09/2006 11:23:36
While being in the service of the glorious Amarr empire i sometimes rescue "free" slaves. These poor people seem to think that they are free, while in reality they are captured in their weak Minmatar bodies. Trying to be a good and kind person. I offcourse want to help these people to become all that they can be. To do that i somehow need a way to remove this false "free" feeling. I have however been unable to find a way to do this.
So im wondering if anyone out there have found a way to help these "free" slaves to just become slaves. So that they can once more start on the path of becoming something more than just a Minmatar.
/Jhix of the house Toda
Glory to the empire
I find praise and "Treats" for them works far better than any form of punishment. Remember to never speak harshly to them or hurt them mentally or phisically.
Reward them for correct and good behaviour with things like:
A fun day trip out for the entire family group to a park for a nice Picnic...
Extra time off around birthdays and holidays...
A fun sports afternoon where they can build up their teamwork and self esteem...
The rewards handed out to proper minded slaves tend to be a good example to encourage the slack and Idle "Free" types to become more devoted and obediant servents who listen and respect their masters. They eventually go out of their way to please you in all things and come to highly value your praise and good graces.
Remember to never punish a slave for improper attitude because this tends to harden them to you and make them "Stubborn"
Having a well conditioned group to start and introducing new slaves to that group is the fastest way to start them on the proper road to their redemption.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 09:07:00 -
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The man only asked a simple question, I'm sure he wasn't looking for a moral debate on the matter.
I always find nerve stapling works. Ok, so it lobotomises them, and the spasaming can be inconvienient, but you can't buy that kind of mindless obedience anywhere else!
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Ho HsienKo
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Posted - 2006.12.07 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
The man only asked a simple question, I'm sure he wasn't looking for a moral debate on the matter.
I always find nerve stapling works. Ok, so it lobotomises them, and the spasaming can be inconvienient, but you can't buy that kind of mindless obedience anywhere else!
You sir should not be allowed to even own a pet.. let alone a Slave.
On second thought... you should not even be allowed to breed.
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Nero Scuro
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.07 14:02:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ho HsienKo
Originally by: Nero Scuro
The man only asked a simple question, I'm sure he wasn't looking for a moral debate on the matter.
I always find nerve stapling works. Ok, so it lobotomises them, and the spasaming can be inconvienient, but you can't buy that kind of mindless obedience anywhere else!
You sir should not be allowed to even own a pet.. let alone a Slave.
On second thought... you should not even be allowed to breed.
What makes you think how I treat a slave is any indication of how I would treat a pet or child? Pets and children are far more valuable a commodity than slaves.
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Ho HsienKo
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Posted - 2006.12.07 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Scuro
What makes you think how I treat a slave is any indication of how I would treat a pet or child? Pets and children are far more valuable a commodity than slaves.
No treats for you.
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Thomas Maleficus
Caldari
Monkeys With Syphilis
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Posted - 2006.12.08 09:45:00 -
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Quote:
Im sure you imagine yourself intelligent, as Im sure you look in a mirror and imagine yourself handsome. Let me be the first to say, your pointless drivel is mildly amusing at best. At worst it reflects poorly on your education and on the establishment where this sorry activity took place. I pity your tutors.
Your words mean nothing to me school boy, you've done nothing in this world to merit any serious consideration. Go back to your classes and leave the real pilots to these matters.
Pirates stole my signature. |
Funmaster Bob
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:10:00 -
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My word, it took you a long time to respond to that point, I thought you may have forgotten how to read.
You shame yourself by talking as if to an inferior where it is patently obvious to all that you are addressing a superior. Your little tactic is to copy what I have said and repeat it back to me with the reverse slant. I have seen through you and yet you continue to try it.
I'm wondering just how long you're going to continue this ridiculous charade and just give up, as you are surely destined to do. Oh, but wait, you wont because your pride will be dented. I can clearly see what sort of interlocuter you are, a poor debator at best, at worst, a grown body with a child's mind. I find you increasingly amusing now I have seen through your little game.
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Cold is Gods way of telling us to burn more sinners.
I am the Funmaster, NONE shall have fun while Im in control. |
Madcat Adams
Mission Runners Anonymous Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.11 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Madcat Adams on 11/12/2006 06:45:09
I've often found that the carrot aproach works well. Treat the slaves respectfully, and they work most efficently. Of course, sometimes one gets a bit rebellious, but a trip out the airlock tends to keep the idea from spreading. Better that then he shows up for work detail with an explosive device strapped to his chest. Every time I read the reports of another suicide attack, it reminds me how much their people are suffering under their deluded "freedoms." A people in need of gods love to teach them the value of productive lives.
Luke I feel your pain. I've found myself with a small city of assorted slaves and dancers living off my graces from my contract work with the navy. Far more than I have a use for in maintaing my modest operations. However, as soon as negotation can be completed with the Navy authority, they shall be put to productive use building and supporting a new star base. Your five thousand could be of use in the endevor. Contact me and perhaps we can work out a price.
It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Aimez- "oh ****, this is empire......."
Thanks for the loot, and next time you go out to pirate, carry more tech 2 plz =) |
U Fester
Amarr
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.14 19:31:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Madcat Adams
I've often found that the carrot aproach works well. Treat the slaves respectfully, and they work most efficently.
What is wrong with everyone. We are talking about Minmatars not creatures of worth. They are beasts of burdens like those of our ancestors wrote about. The way to treat a slave is with a good whip and a strong hand. Nothing more.
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Donovan Killar
Caldari
Su-Mi
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Posted - 2006.12.15 13:43:00 -
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I must say I have not gotten evolved in Ammar politics in the past in any way other then a bit of reading however if you ask me, it sounds like a very cheap and efficient labor force. However I suppose you have to take all cost into consideration, beyond food and shelter there is the constant need of drugs and strong arming to keep them in check. Then after that you have the constant threat of freedom fighters attempting something foolish and causing damage to property and slowing down work. Then you have to take our typical costs into consideration, workers wages (which they use to cover food and shelter) then the occasional union or worker uprising or strike about raising wages. Hmm I suppose that slavery is probably about as cost efficient as paying workers next to nothing and allowing them to think they have freedom.
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Ho HsienKo
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Posted - 2007.06.29 17:34:00 -
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Lady Jhix... have you tried my suggested method of getting your slaves on the path of enlightenment?
It has been a while and you should be seeing results by now.
If they are comming along nicely perhaps you can arrange to have them all watch the broadcasts of the upcomming Path of Light ceremony
The Archbishop makes mention of it here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=546734
It will be good for them to see what they or their children may attain at this stage in your care.
Feel free to contact me if you have any problems which I may be able to give you guidence on.
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