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chris elliot
SiIhouette
Shadow Cartel
420
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Posted - 2014.12.01 21:14:24 -
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This is going to be abused and you know it. |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
189
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Posted - 2014.12.01 21:26:21 -
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In and of itself (notwithstanding talk of invite spam exploits) this is a better, more logical system than what we have today. It especially makes inviting alts a lot easier but that's kind of an ancilary benefit.
However it makes auditing corporation recruitment even more of a pain. I'm hoping this is a part of a total overhaul of corporation mechanics and especially of recruitment mechanics.
what I'd like to see in terms of corp recruitment mechanics :
- some kind of in-game log of who let people into the corp, at what time, at what time the invite was sent, and with a popout including the application text
- a way of copy pasting elements of the application text straight from the application rather than having to go to the notifications to find it
gay gamers for jesus
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
404
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Posted - 2014.12.01 22:25:26 -
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So once I have the roles to invite people to corp I can plant my spies in without anyone (mainly CEO / directors) knowing about it, sweet ?  |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
3844
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Posted - 2014.12.01 22:34:25 -
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I am already thinking of ways to abuse this feature.
Definitely will have an alt scamming by setting up a corp with a tax rate just under 11% and bulk inviting in mission hubs.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2014.12.01 23:10:53 -
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I would rather see the ability of Expel members to actually kick members with roles before a Spam Invite.. |
Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2014.12.01 23:29:42 -
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Do not want.
And you would have to be completely ignorant to the history of eve to think unsolicited contact is a good idea. |
interesangt
Artic Drilling Inc.
8
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Posted - 2014.12.02 01:46:03 -
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How about:
-Player applies
-Member with roles accepts
-Player joines..
The invite part seems to me as just a 2way extra clickfest.. |
Eduardo The Spacemarine
Squad Broken
0
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Posted - 2014.12.02 04:17:59 -
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Dunno about the rest of y'all, but I think the current system works just fine.
1: Apply to a corporation. (hi guys, you seem cool I'd like to fly with you)
2: Approve application and send invite. (hey dude, you seem like a cool guy, we'd like you to fly with us)
3: Accept invitation.(Sweet, I'll just tie up my loose ends and accept when I'm ready)
I don't see anything wrong or overly labor intensive with that.
Like homeboy above me said, eve has enough issues with unsolicited contact. |
John Selth
Constantine.
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
15
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Posted - 2014.12.02 04:45:53 -
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Anna niedostepny wrote:CCP Lebowski wrote:Afternoon perfection passionate pilots!
This thread is for feedback and issue reporting on a small change team Five 0 have done for Rhea to the way joining a corporation works.
Until this change the process for joining a Corporation has been as follows:
1. Character applies to corporation.
2. A corp member with appropriate roles invites player to join.
3. Character accepts invite.
4. The Character is entered into the corp.
With this change implemented the above functionality still applies but a second method is now available:
1. A corp member with appropriate roles invites player to join.
2. Character accepts invite.
3. The Character is entered into the corp.
Finer Details
The option to invite a player is available anyone who has the roles required to perform step 2 of the previous process, and is visible in the actions menu (right click menu or menu in top left of show info window) for any invitable character. In all other aspects this feature work identically to the previous functionality. Players should not be able to receive an invitation from a corp when they previously have an open invitation or from a corp they are already a member of.
TL:DR: Corporations can now directly invite Capsuleers.
As usual, I will update this thread with a list of known issues.
Happy testing! So with this change can you think of adding who invited/accepted application to the player joined corporation notification sent to the corp? It is a very simple change while you guys are looking at corp recruitment.
I actually agree with this. While there is a significant out of game meta for this in terms of forum recruitment, there needs to be at least some help to this for the in game management. |
Johann Rascali
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front
111
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Posted - 2014.12.02 05:52:09 -
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It'd be nice if the need to drop roles and wait 24hr before leaving a player corp directly to another was dropped. You can now instantly drop to NPC corp without messing with roles, but going from one player corp to another still requires the wait.
Blanking signatures doesn't seem to work, so this is here.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6496
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Posted - 2014.12.02 06:09:59 -
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CCP Lebowski;
Accepting applications in space would be an absolute charlie foxtrot. Check out this old exploit notification:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Exploit_notifications#Insta-Joining_Corporations_to_surprise_wartargets
Accepting applications in stations was specifically done to ensure people wouldn't, for instance, use the invisible corp wardec to ambush juicy targets (as watching local is no use if they aren't members of the corp until they are locking/scramming you), or drop corp instantly to trigger Concordokken.
If you want accepting-apps-in-space, then you need to have some sort of non-aggression timer.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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TheButcherPete
Incompertus INC
Fatal Ascension
522
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Posted - 2014.12.02 06:45:22 -
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Way to completely erase all of the great progress you guys were making at unfucking this game.
Please add a "block" invite option AND NUKE ACCEPTANCE IN SPACE
[b]THE KING OF EVE RADIO
If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs?[/b]
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Skia Aumer
Atlas Research Group
115
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Posted - 2014.12.02 11:13:56 -
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Solving non-problems and postponing real issues, CCP at its finest. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1470
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Posted - 2014.12.02 11:38:47 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Solving non-problems and postponing real issues, CCP at its finest.
Yep. For a moment I thought CCP was on the right track, then this comes along.
Do not want.
Will be abused.
Not needed.
Do not fix what's not broken.
http://s24.postimg.org/rf4lk5pcl/donotwantis3.jpg |
Eva Peacemaker
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2014.12.02 12:09:09 -
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Hi, I'm a recruiter for BNI and sometimes applications can be a real pain.
I'd really like a change in how people can apply when they have roles.
Currently:
A is in a corp and has roles
R is a recruiter for a corp
A applies
R does all the work to know if the recruit is suitable
R accepts application
CCP says you can't invite the guy
R sends mail to the guy asking him to drop roles
A drops roles
R has to process application again
What we need
A applies
CCP says NO, you got roles dumby, get rid of them if you want to apply somewhere
R drinks mojito on the beach because he only has to worry about applications that he can really process
Thanks for your time |
Seven Seas
F-I-N-K PROPERTY
Northern Associates.
1
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Posted - 2014.12.02 12:21:53 -
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can you invite and accept while in space ? |
Lilly The Pink
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.12.02 13:57:23 -
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Absolutely no reason for this change. For the sake of trying to eliminate one extra click you are opening a pandora's box for new ways of griefing. How about people who might just spam local with corp invites hoping that somebody accepts and then is available to be ganked by his new 'corp mates'? |
Dusenman
Trojan Legion
Fidelas Constans
38
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Posted - 2014.12.02 14:42:13 -
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I see no need for this change. But if your set on implementing it please have an opt in at the corporation level (Directors or CEO only). This way should a corporation want to use this method they first need to enable it.
Also please have an opt out at the player level. I personally do not want random invites.
Another idea, can this be limited to pilots under a specific time period? Say the first 90 days or something like that.
GM Homonoia: In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***.
CCP Tallest_: _And by "we have made it so", I mean Punkturis has made it so.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
373
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Posted - 2014.12.02 14:50:37 -
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I am going to have to add my Nay vote on this one, at least not without some tweaking.
Allowing players to accept corp invites while in space is a non-starter for a large portion of the community, and it was removed from the normal mechanics for a reason. If you want to make this change (and I don't think it's necessarily bad), then it needs to conform to the current mechanics.
Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury
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Ruune en Gravonere
Running with Dogs
Nerfed Alliance Go Away
19
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Posted - 2014.12.02 16:04:26 -
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As a recruiting Corp who really tries hard to only mail very new to Eve pilots (and our apologies if we send to an established player who's just created an alt or new account) this change would not help us in any way and if it increases spam and everyone starts blocking mail that would hurt recruitment not assist it.
I would much rather see a more dynamic and searchable way for new pilots to find Corporation to join, there is a huge difference between a Corp that is 'new bro friendly' and a Corp that will actively train new pilots.
I know people talk about spam mail but the truth is its one way that training Corps can try to reach pilots who may still not know where to look and who may want to compare one with another. And its a good way to open a dialogue with a prospective pilot.
As has been said I don't see any need to change the current system to one of pro-active inviting. We all need to do background checks, we all want to 'meet' our prospective members to make sure we're the right Corp for them and they'll fit in with us. So we wouldn't be sending out random invites anyway.
What would be much more helpful is a complete overhaul of the in game Corp role and title management system which seems to need a degree in tautology to be able to use it and this includes recruitment and screening roles.
So perhaps you could tell us what huge current issue around recruiting pilots this is meant to solve and what difference do you think it will make? |
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Nitris Denitrace
Catastrophic Overview Failure
Brave Collective
26
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:28:48 -
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Ruune en Gravonere wrote:
As has been said I don't see any need to change the current system to one of pro-active inviting. We all need to do background checks, we all want to 'meet' our prospective members to make sure we're the right Corp for them and they'll fit in with us. So we wouldn't be sending out random invites anyway.
What would be much more helpful is a complete overhaul of the in game Corp role and title management system which seems to need a degree in tautology to be able to use it and this includes recruitment and screening roles.
So perhaps you could tell us what huge current issue around recruiting pilots this is meant to solve and what difference do you think it will make?
Oh my god, so much this. |
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CCP Lebowski
C C P
C C P Alliance
369
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:34:35 -
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Hi all,
Thanks for all the feedback so far, its much appreciated. We're obviously concerned about ways this can be abused and we're working on some ideas to mitigate the concerns that have been raised so far. Nothing to share yet, but I just wanted to drop by and let you all know we working on it.
Thanks again
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/ccp_lebowski
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1343
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:53:02 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:This seems completely unnecessary
Coming from the alliance that is already gearing up to put characters in all starter systems to invite every new character created. Just sayin' that seems a little hippocritical. |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1343
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:58:22 -
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Eva Peacemaker wrote:Hi, I'm a recruiter for BNI and sometimes applications can be a real pain.
I'd really like a change in how people can apply when they have roles.
Currently:
A is in a corp and has roles
R is a recruiter for a corp
A applies
R does all the work to know if the recruit is suitable
R accepts application
CCP says you can't invite the guy
R sends mail to the guy asking him to drop roles
A drops roles
R has to process application again
What we need
A applies
CCP says NO, you got roles dumby, get rid of them if you want to apply somewhere
R drinks mojito on the beach because he only has to worry about applications that he can really process
Thanks for your time
This is horrible. You shouldn't need to have roles dropped to apply to a corp, this would create hassle and unneccesary bother for those of us who get our apps in before roles have dropped, so that when they have, we can be accepted. The problem is not with the system, but with your process. 1) If you need to 'process' an application all over again due to a max 24 hour delay, you're creating unnecessarily headaches for yourself. 2) Have applicants include in their application when their roles drop, or 3) Tell noobies not to apply until they have dropped roles, and wait 24 hours before processing any app. If a player cant follow such basic instructions, they belong in Test. |
Grookshank
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
35
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Posted - 2014.12.02 20:44:41 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote:Hi all,
Thanks for all the feedback so far, its much appreciated. We're obviously concerned about ways this can be abused and we're working on some ideas to mitigate the concerns that have been raised so far. Nothing to share yet, but I just wanted to drop by and let you all know we working on it.
Thanks again
Just don't implement it would be the best solution. Hardly anyone wants it if you read the feedback. |
Callic Veratar
642
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Posted - 2014.12.02 22:17:40 -
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Several of my corp mates were victims of the 'joining a war to insta-gank' exploit. Joining a corp while in space is asking for even more trouble (and generating more work for GMs).
The is only an acceptable change if the 'accept invite' requires being docked in all cases. |
Lilly The Pink
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.12.02 22:39:49 -
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Ruune en Gravonere wrote:
So perhaps you could tell us what huge current issue around recruiting pilots this is meant to solve and what difference do you think it will make?
I'd be interested in an answer to this. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
3877
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Posted - 2014.12.02 23:55:41 -
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For highsec war balance it is necessary that the 'remain docked to swap corps' remains. I wouldn't even object to a 1 minute timer on accepting corp invites.
Even though I'd abuse the hell out of any rule change that let you swap corps in flight, I don't want it added.
You really, really need to put a 1 minute cooldown timer on sending invites with this system (that's 1 minute per invite sent, even if they are to different people). I used to play World of Warcraft, and one of the really toxic things in that game was having five to ten guild invites spammed at you (mostly from different guilds) each time you ran a dungeon. CSPA is not enough of a disincentive as CSPA fees are too low, and the profit from one mission runner joining your corp is high enough to merit it.
Please note that if no 1 minute cooldown is implemented, I will be aggressively using this to scam via multiple methods that I've worked out. I will not be spamming any one individual (my goal will be to ask any individual only once, maybe twice by accident).
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
& Vote #2 Tora Bushido
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Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
61
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Posted - 2014.12.03 00:02:50 -
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Quote:So perhaps you could tell us what huge current issue around recruiting pilots this is meant to solve and what difference do you think it will make?
Remember that whole "communication" thing you guys promised to work on....this is your chance to show your progress!
IF you are still bound and determined to implement this....you need to look into adding a 'warm-up' period during a war for any new members.
But please, decide to push this off and use this fancy new release schedule for the thing you said it was for...to take the time to fix things before you release them. Please do not push this out NEXT WEEK.
Yes the whole corp app/invite (with roles) system needs work...but this is not a good solution. |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1305
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Posted - 2014.12.03 05:27:58 -
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Arronicus wrote:2) Have applicants include in their application when their roles drop, or 3) Tell noobies not to apply until they have dropped roles, and wait 24 hours before processing any app. If a player cant follow such basic instructions, they belong in Test.
Or, you know, the game could offer both of those pieces of information to both the applicant and the recruiter as part of the application process. They're kind of important.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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