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EvilSyKOSkitzo Durus Scelus	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:51:00 - [1] Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 04/09/2006 13:54:03 Ok, I think thats a fair question. I'am cool with the bookmark copying nerf (I was expecting it much sooner) but something that I'am not cool about is that I can not see a solution to the tedious travel in the EVE Universe. (lol, there is only a limited amount of times you can appreciate the scenary before it gets old) I have personally travelled hundreds if not thousands of systems in EVE thru the years I have been playing and I know what it means to travel 30 jumps with or without instant jumps. (Sometimes from several mintues to a couple per jump) Knowing fully that I was contributing to the problem (not being proud of it). I handed out hundreds of bookmarks out to my friends in order to encourage them to get out into deeper systems and to decrease the travel times. With the nerf coming into place. I won't be doing that anymore. (Which is really cool) :D But now I'am wondering how are you (CCP) going to decrease the travel time for both experienced and inexperienced people? And, in what kind of time frame? - Evil
Admai Sket	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:54:00 - [2] is the nerf going to stop the copying of all BMs? i haven't read thru the notes yet.
Franky B Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:57:00 - [3] noob. can I have your stuff?
Agnst Murder of Crows Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.04 13:59:00 - [4] Why should they have to? Instas were not created nor endorsed by CCP, Travel times are what they wanted them to be. Infact they made them longer when they removed the highways.
Turiya Flesharrower Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:00:00 - [5] When are we going to stop seeing the same question asked over and over again? -----
Arngorf Minmatar devastation mining inc Hell Hounds	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:03:00 - [6] Originally by: EvilSyKOSkitzo Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 04/09/2006 13:54:03 Ok, I think thats a fair question. I'am cool with the bookmark copying nerf (I was expecting it much sooner) but something that I'am not cool about is that I can not see a solution to the tedious travel in the EVE Universe. (lol, there is only a limited amount of times you can appreciate the scenary before it gets old) I have personally travelled hundreds if not thousands of systems in EVE thru the years I have been playing and I know what it means to travel 30 jumps with or without instant jumps. (Sometimes from several mintues to a couple per jump) Knowing fully that I was contributing to the problem (not being proud of it). I handed out hundreds of bookmarks out to my friends in order to encourage them to get out into deeper systems and to decrease the travel times. With the nerf coming into place. I won't be doing that anymore. (Which is really cool) :D But now I'am wondering how are you (CCP) going to decrease the travel time for both experienced and inexperienced people? And, in what kind of time frame? - Evil BM's was not intended to be used for instant access to the whole univers. in other words -instant run-away button was not intended -instant dock was not intended -instant access to the whole univers AKA fast traveling was not intended nothing needs fixing.. look at it from the other point of view.. wouldn't it just make the univers seem bigger and more realistic? Thats what I think. I use instants cause I have to. I really hope they will disappear along with the fast travel time... whats the point in making freighters slow when u can use instants? ________________________________________________ FORMER!!! I said FORMER Pirate...
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:06:00 - [7] Want faster travel times? Fit out your ship for speed. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Daxes Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:10:00 - [8] Originally by: Wild Rho Want faster travel times? Fit out your ship for speed. clueless? Even today with BM's travel times are already long enough. Just take a look at how long it takes a gang of decent size (~50) to move around. Often corps/alliances cant be bothered for bigger actions because getting to ur enemy takes the whole evening (lag also doesnt help here). Travel times are already too long, no reason to make it even worse.
Shahadet	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:10:00 - [9] Fit Nano and AB or MWD Oh you want cargo and 50m/s speeds but insta travel? Sorry that never was the plan. Just becuase you could do it does not mean it you should be able to do it. You like the Sig? Check them out hereand see who made them.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Arngorf BM's was not intended to be used for instant access to the whole univers. in other words -instant run-away button was not intended -instant dock was not intended -instant access to the whole univers AKA fast traveling was not intended nothing needs fixing.. look at it from the other point of view.. wouldn't it just make the univers seem bigger and more realistic? Thats what I think. I use instants cause I have to. I really hope they will disappear along with the fast travel time... whats the point in making freighters slow when u can use instants? I just dont see how genius programmers would not know bookmarks would be used in those fashions. I don't think they realized how MUCH they would be used and how MUCH lag they would cause. CCP just needs to limit them to 100 per account player. You folks with thousands are pretty much just wussies.

EvilSyKOSkitzo Durus Scelus	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Agnst Why should they have to? Instas were not created nor endorsed by CCP, Travel times are what they wanted them to be. Infact they made them longer when they removed the highways. So, after how ever long you have been playing for. You are seriously still happy to drive gate to gate long distance in anything bigger then a cruiser (lets say 30 jumps there and back) for books, items, ships, missions, pvp ops, etc, etc? ;) - Evil
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Daxes Originally by: Wild Rho Want faster travel times? Fit out your ship for speed. clueless? Even today with BM's travel times are already long enough. Just take a look at how long it takes a gang of decent size (~50) to move around. Often corps/alliances cant be bothered for bigger actions because getting to ur enemy takes the whole evening (lag also doesnt help here). Travel times are already too long, no reason to make it even worse. That's a problem with the players and not the game. You don't have some right to instantly arrive at where you want to go. If you can't be bothered to travel so far that's your problem, either find targets closer or set up a temporay base nearby. If you want a fleet to move fast you should have to make sacrifices such as fitting for speed. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Lord Frost Originally by: Arngorf BM's was not intended to be used for instant access to the whole univers. in other words -instant run-away button was not intended -instant dock was not intended -instant access to the whole univers AKA fast traveling was not intended nothing needs fixing.. look at it from the other point of view.. wouldn't it just make the univers seem bigger and more realistic? Thats what I think. I use instants cause I have to. I really hope they will disappear along with the fast travel time... whats the point in making freighters slow when u can use instants? I just dont see how genius programmers would not know bookmarks would be used in those fashions. I don't think they realized how MUCH they would be used and how MUCH lag they would cause. CCP just needs to limit them to 100 per account player. You folks with thousands are pretty much just wussies. LOok man we live our lives in the year 10000 We can travel from one galaxy to another we can communicate tru out the whole galaxy. But we cant seem to manage to get our ships in range of an jump gate or station. No we seem to be of for like exatly 15km every time we try.
Tiger Lee Semper Fidelis Industries	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:18:00 - [14] Have you considered that a 0.4 or lower system can now be locked down without ANYONE what so ever having a chance to get away? Regards, Tiger Lee Chief Executive Officer Semper Fidelis Industries
EvilSyKOSkitzo Durus Scelus	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:20:00 - [15] Edited by: EvilSyKOSkitzo on 04/09/2006 14:24:37 Originally by: Shahadet Fit Nano and AB or MWD Sure mate, that combo is great and in combination with a vigil, inty, cov ops. Works like a charm. But.. Originally by: Daxes Originally by: Wild Rho Want faster travel times? Fit out your ship for speed. clueless? Even today with BM's travel times are already long enough. Just take a look at how long it takes a gang of decent size (~50) to move around. Often corps/alliances cant be bothered for bigger actions because getting to ur enemy takes the whole evening (lag also doesnt help here). Travel times are already too long, no reason to make it even worse. Bingo.. I have flown many pvp ops (including ones with G/D2) in varrying sizes and I know what it is to spend a whole day/night or sometimes even longer (much longer) to get to a destination even before anything takes place. After years of playing. It's easier to setup a shop in a system and just farm it for awhile. Instead of moving 10 jumps to meet with a group to move another 20 to engage someone then only to have to fly back. Anyways, - Evil
Sable Schroedinger Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:23:00 - [16] travel times need to be longer. The universe is just too damn small. Making it feel bigger can only improve every aspect of the game. -------------------------------------------- Nothing is as cruel as the righteousness of innocents
Fuujin Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:25:00 - [17] Fit for speed, simple as that. I fly around in a battleship regularly, a really slow one at that. If i have to go more then a few jumps i strap on a mwd. If i have to fly across the universe i jump in a frig and fit it for speed. _______________ The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
Laythun Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:26:00 - [18] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger travel times need to be longer. The universe is just too damn small. Making it feel bigger can only improve every aspect of the game. Damn straight, it needs to be more epic. I dont want to see people from deep in Omist, up in tenal one afternoon, then see them in fountain 2 hours later. We need to see planning, temporary bases, convoys etc..all this insta speeding around is lame. *See You In Space Cowboy*
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger travel times need to be longer. The universe is just too damn small. Making it feel bigger can only improve every aspect of the game. yay, lets make large-scale alliance warfare completely impossible, w00t.
Arngorf Minmatar devastation mining inc Hell Hounds	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Garia666 Originally by: Lord Frost Originally by: Arngorf BM's was not intended to be used for instant access to the whole univers. in other words -instant run-away button was not intended -instant dock was not intended -instant access to the whole univers AKA fast traveling was not intended nothing needs fixing.. look at it from the other point of view.. wouldn't it just make the univers seem bigger and more realistic? Thats what I think. I use instants cause I have to. I really hope they will disappear along with the fast travel time... whats the point in making freighters slow when u can use instants? I just dont see how genius programmers would not know bookmarks would be used in those fashions. I don't think they realized how MUCH they would be used and how MUCH lag they would cause. CCP just needs to limit them to 100 per account player. You folks with thousands are pretty much just wussies. LOok man we live our lives in the year 10000 We can travel from one galaxy to another we can communicate tru out the whole galaxy. But we cant seem to manage to get our ships in range of an jump gate or station. No we seem to be of for like exatly 15km every time we try. then make it so that ull hit 15-30km's from the gate I dont care. Besides 15kms diversion in accuarcy is very little compared to the distance u travel. say a travel of 50 AU (7,479,893,500 km) considering that according to EVE story we are being pulled by a gravity bubble moving ahead of us (I think that was what it said ) 15 kms is suddenly enourmously accuarte. ________________________________________________ FORMER!!! I said FORMER Pirate...

Chedburn Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:29:00 - [21] Well my transport ship travels at 13.7 m/s, without BMs i'm totaly screwed. So yeh, I hope they do add something to take its place i guess.
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:31:00 - [22] Well, they aren't removing insteas (yet?) but they're just nerfing the copying, which isn't so bad, the copying causes a lot of lag.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:34:00 - [23] They're going to install more NPC gatecamps ... --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Agnst Murder of Crows Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:35:00 - [24] Edited by: Agnst on 04/09/2006 14:35:31 Originally by: EvilSyKOSkitzo So, after how ever long you have been playing for. You are seriously still happy to drive gate to gate long distance in anything bigger then a cruiser (lets say 30 jumps there and back) for books, items, ships, missions, pvp ops, etc, etc? ;) - Evil Well if i want to get there faster ill make sure to fit mods that allow me to move faster. Im happy to accept the game design.
Lord Slater Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:38:00 - [25] I remember the days before bookmarks existed now those were pretty cool now tho my corp was recently war decked by a wannabee pirate corp. what does this have to do with bookmarks you ask. They litterly live on the other side of the galaxy . Everyday they make 30 odd jumps to us and it only takes them 30 minuites if that to arrive. In the old days there was more terratory to claim because travel took longer so noone traveled as far. So you had more free space because the minign corps had to set up base in 1 or 2 systems rather than the 6-7 you have now and roaming PvP hunters had smaller hunting areas meaning it was a bit safer for everyone in low sec. Also in 0.0 removing bookamrks will shrink alliances in terratory size making more room for new guys and making 0.0 access easier because alliances pattroll smaller borders. ----------------------------------------------- YYAARRHH HAHAHA IM THE HAPPY PIRATE
Terraform Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Cattraknoff Originally by: Sable Schroedinger travel times need to be longer. The universe is just too damn small. Making it feel bigger can only improve every aspect of the game. yay, lets make large-scale alliance warfare completely impossible, w00t. How do you suppose this change would make "large-scale" alliance warfare impossible? All it would do would be to make people plan ahead instead of gathering and rushing into it. There are hardly ever any examples from real-life history where a large-scale battle was fought from one minute to the other. The fact that an entire fleet can move around the entire galaxy in a few minutes is just ridiculous and really ruins the feeling of being a big mass of ships moving together towards a common goal (battle). I'm all in for removing bookmarks entirely since i really hate safespots too. The people whining the most about this is probably the ones with several thousands of bookmarks... How do you like my new sig?
Sable Schroedinger Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.09.04 14:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Cattraknoff Originally by: Sable Schroedinger travel times need to be longer. The universe is just too damn small. Making it feel bigger can only improve every aspect of the game. yay, lets make large-scale alliance warfare completely impossible, w00t. difficult != impossible. Despite what the unimaginative masses may tell you -------------------------------------------- Nothing is as cruel as the righteousness of innocents
Uuve Savisaalo Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:00:00 - [28] precisely why does travel time need to be decreased, again? besides whine-storms on the forums and threats of violence against own genitals? oh, right. I thought so.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:08:00 - [29] Removing instas without offering the means of faster travel will leave many areas in 0.0 completely empty. And I don't mean a scarce population, I mean empty. With main markets still in Empire (and nothing in sight to change this), the steady communication line between 0.0 and Empire is needed, sometimes it means going 30 jumps and more, and sometimes, you need to bring back goods, so, moving in a fast ship is not an option. How many ppl would be willing to spend hours and hours of their time just waiting till the ship crawles from one gate to another? How many ppl would be willing to spend their whole evening in order to make 1/2 of a trip with their fleet to an enemy territory, knowing that the other half will have to be made tomorrow? And that the battle itself will last at most a couple of hours. May be some of "realism" fans have forgotten that it's a game and ppl play it to have fun. Realism doesn't always mean more fun. The most accurate simulation of an airplane is the Microsoft Flight Simulator. But for most ppl, watching the paint dry is more funny than playing it. For Ms, Flight Simulator is just another small project, for CCP, Eve is the ONLY project. If they give in to the realism lobby, they'll be out of business sooner rather than later.
Ishtar1 the Organ Grinder and Company Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.04 15:13:00 - [30] Edited by: Ishtar1 on 04/09/2006 15:15:11 Originally by: Terraform Originally by: Cattraknoff Originally by: Sable Schroedinger travel times need to be longer. The universe is just too damn small. Making it feel bigger can only improve every aspect of the game. yay, lets make large-scale alliance warfare completely impossible, w00t. How do you suppose this change would make "large-scale" alliance warfare impossible? All it would do would be to make people plan ahead instead of gathering and rushing into it. There are hardly ever any examples from real-life history where a large-scale battle was fought from one minute to the other. The fact that an entire fleet can move around the entire galaxy in a few minutes is just ridiculous and really ruins the feeling of being a big mass of ships moving together towards a common goal (battle). I'm all in for removing bookmarks entirely since i really hate safespots too. The people whining the most about this is probably the ones with several thousands of bookmarks... as someone said maybe not impossable but well.... not worth the work and stress. Imagine a fleet off 200 ships hell even 50 ships doing a treck of around 20 jumps, with insta's they can all arive at the gate at the same time as a single unit no large amount ov bumps generaly being convenint for a large amount of ships. Now without insta's imagine 200 (or 50) ships all jumping in at 15km.... all ship varying in size, speed, bumping off 1 another, taking frecking for ever to reach 1 gate never mind 20 jumps not moving as a single unit not being able to generaly be an cohesive fleet never mind an effective fleet. But yes.... you will be able to get better go faster etc etc with planning but this would just add to the already sometime boreing nature of large scale alince warfare. oh just saw this, this aint r/l this is ment to be fun not a real time warfare sim, some ppl wana just pew pew in big fleet fights u no :x (excuse my spelling)



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