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Shelle Kasings Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:04:17 - [1] - Quote Flamers and 'go back to wow' replies are not desired here. I'm not a new player to this game. I had a 20m sp char a while back and I was in BoB. I left a few years ago and now I'm back. I trained up drones for 2 months and now I realize the drone aggro mechanic makes drone missioning l4s no fun at all. I've read many threads about this, and I understand how sentries work, and about recalling drones, and watching red-to-yellow etc. My main issue is that it isn't worth spending time docking, refitting, and constantly shuttling drones to do level 4 missions. It's ironic, really, because back when I played, everybody started Caldari Achura because it had a SP advantage. Then CCP supposedly leveled the playing field. But the drone aggro unleveled it again. Missiles/torps are king again. Just switch ammo types while fighting. I guess I should have trained caldari in the first place, yes? I wish CCP would let people reroll their skills in the first 3 months - I am so annoyed because I just don't have the time for these 3 hour missions and I don't have the time to log in to a corp every day and go on 4 hour ops. Mining is boring, PVP requires ISK, flipping in Jita is boring and pointless, and exploration is a waste. I explored for three weeks in lowsec and found nothing but data sites with 3m max in them. Unless somebody has any better ideas, I've concluded that this game isn't fun to play anymore.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7384	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:06:51 - [2] - Quote Quick solution: Do something else, or play something else. Alternatively: Embrace the fact that things change and adapt. Advice: Don't be a filthy casual. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Deck Cadelanne Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts 83	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:15:21 - [3] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Quick solution: Do something else, or play something else. Alternatively: Embrace the fact that things change and adapt. Advice: Don't be a filthy casual. Or, be a filthy casual and enjoy it anyways. Embrace PVP. You know you want to. *"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."* - Hunter S. Thompson
Shelle Kasings Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:18:07 - [4] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: Quick solution: Do something else, or play something else. Alternatively: Embrace the fact that things change and adapt. Advice: Don't be a filthy casual. If I'm going to pay money to CCP, I pretty much can be whatever I want. The problem is, nothing is appealing anymore. I suspect you didn't expend much effort putting together that reply.
Rayo Atra Unkindness Incorporated Violent Declaration 86	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:18:34 - [5] - Quote Drones are still awesome, just require a ton of micro management when flying solo against 100 red crosses. Getting friends to mission with can totally solve this, once there are 2-3 in fleet the npcs mostly ignore your drones if you dont launch them instantly. Actual players also die relatively well to drones. Stop flying solo stop being so concerned with isk and loss Get out of the NPC noob corp. The fury bot also mentioned something about not being a filthy casual. This is also great advice. There are great ways to start taking that advice, they are listed above. :] Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough. -Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
Lister Dax Intergalactic Trade and Harm 22	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:19:15 - [6] - Quote Sentries blitz L4s no problem, basically warp in, MJD to range, drop sentries, win. Other types not so much. This has been changed for quite a while, you should really have read up on the current state of the game before diving into a skill plan. If you're going for just PvE then you can always train into missiles, it won't take long to get to T2 HAM's and support skills. PvE is pretty static in tactics (read, boring lol) so once you have a set-up then that's that.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 7385	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:22:45 - [7] - Quote Shelle Kasings wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Quick solution: Do something else, or play something else. Alternatively: Embrace the fact that things change and adapt. Advice: Don't be a filthy casual. If I'm going to pay money to CCP, I pretty much can be whatever I want. The problem is, nothing is appealing anymore. I suspect you didn't expend much effort putting together that reply. Why should I if your first reaction is to come here and complain? Try following that link, all kinds of stuff you could be doing. Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Sequester Risalo Significant Others 18	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:26:05 - [8] - Quote If you left years ago it's safe to presume that a lot of game mechanichs have been reworked since then. For your own sanity just assume you are a complete noob and learn the game as yif you knew nothing about it. Set your skilltree as if you had none. Pick skills that you find fun when drones don't do the trick anymore. Start from scratch and do what you enjoy most.
embrel BamBam Inc. Outlanders United 208	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:26:36 - [9] - Quote what Lister Dax said: MJD away, drop bouncers and they'll rarely get aggroed.
Rayo Atra Unkindness Incorporated Violent Declaration 86	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:30:15 - [10] - Quote also the money paid to CCP is to get access to the client, no other intention or obligation is implied or intended. Your level of entertainment is directly related to your level of involvement, your ingenuity, your drive. If you're not bringing these to the table, then yes you're wasting your time. Complaining about it here will usually result in a turd on your desk. Tell you what I do like though: A killer. A dyed-in-the-wool killer. Cold-blooded, clean, methodical and thorough. -Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg
Wendrika Hydreiga Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:31:53 - [11] - Quote Want to drone and drones are too squishy? Fly Guristas! Get a Rattlesnake! Less drones makes it easier to manage them! Plus, it benefits from any Gallente training you might have, and you can complement it with Caldari training later. EVE s that sort of game that you need to make your own fun, else else you will find yourself doing the same thing everytime and not getting much out of it. Put your fingers in multiple pies! Live a little! Make yourself a goal and go after it! This game is so much more than ISK grinding in Level 4 Missions.
Lucrii Dei Vector Galactic Did he say Jump 163	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:35:12 - [12] - Quote Don't do lowsec R&D sites. Since the patch-to-appease-lazy-people, scatter cans were removed and with that came a reduction in loot from each site. The best place to find such sites now is -0.5 or lower. Gÿå The Explorer I Gÿå The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
Equinnox Dethahal House of Shire 0	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:38:36 - [13] - Quote I mean even wow players know to diversify their possible game situations. Nerfs happen, both with characters and content. Thing is, with a game like this, theres so much damn content, so many possibilities....id think you would have to try very hard to specialize so narrow and enjoy only one certain activity in this game....as to be upset with a change to the point with thinking you've wasted time.... and how do you waste time in a game where enjoyment was had during that time? You are quite literally paying for time enjoyed in a game that is pay to play.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 2351	Posted - 2014.12.02 15:43:41 - [14] - Quote Drone tanking FTW. Put an RR in the high and rep your sentry when it takes aggro. They tank like a boss.
Gallowmere Rorschach Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation 833	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:09:18 - [15] - Quote Pardon the ignorance on my part, but is NPC behavior toward drones somehow different in missions than in anomalies? If so, how? If not, there is a certain way to make the rats stick to your ship, with about a 98% success rate (and no I'm not talking about that ******** ewar garbage). Also, why would you dock to refit? Mobile depots are an amazing thing.
Paranoid Loyd 2826	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:51:03 - [16] - Quote Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Pardon the ignorance on my part, but is NPC behavior toward drones somehow different in missions than in anomalies? If so, how? If not, there is a certain way to make the rats stick to your ship, with about a 98% success rate (and no I'm not talking about that ******** ewar garbage). Also, why would you dock to refit? Mobile depots are an amazing thing. You used to be able to just drop drones in a level 4 and go afk while they cleared the room as they used to not get aggro at all, that is what OP's probelm is, he can't do that anymore. He actually has to pay attention. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5753	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:53:52 - [17] - Quote Have you wasted your time? Uh.... this is a game. This entire thing is all about a game. Even this thread, this forum, this server. Us. We have all wasted our time. Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Renegade Heart Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 303	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:54:04 - [18] - Quote Some good answers here already, however, if they didn't help, then perhaps you could give me your stuff when you quit?
Ralph King-Griffin Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 7198	Posted - 2014.12.02 16:54:18 - [19] - Quote If you don't like drone mechanics for pve, stop ****ing about in pve drone boats then. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers." =]I[=
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 618	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:04:22 - [20] - Quote Quick tip - fit a target painter and use it. The NPCs HATE any kind of electronic warfare, and target painters count as electronic warfare. If you shoot a target painter, it causes them to hate your ship more than the drones, and they will therefore focus fire on your ship, and will leave your drones alone. Try it, it works even on the Sleeper AI. Also, the target painter will help your drones to hit.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 873	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:23:55 - [21] - Quote Shelle Kasings wrote: Unless somebody has any better ideas, I've concluded that this game isn't fun to play anymore. Since no one mentioned it and despite your attitude: Welcome back. Try to adapt and get used to the changes. EVE is currently in a pretty good shape even though ofc there are tons of new things to get used to for you. EVE has changed a lot over the past few years. Remove insurance. This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2320	Posted - 2014.12.02 17:30:34 - [22] - Quote Shelle Kasings wrote: PVP requires ISK In my experience, pvp makes ISK. Perhaps this is where you've been going wrong? Personally, I find that showing up for "roams" or "ops" is no different in spirit from showing up for a group mission run. Consider the possibilities. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Shelle Kasings Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.12.02 18:28:47 - [23] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Pardon the ignorance on my part, but is NPC behavior toward drones somehow different in missions than in anomalies? If so, how? If not, there is a certain way to make the rats stick to your ship, with about a 98% success rate (and no I'm not talking about that ******** ewar garbage). Also, why would you dock to refit? Mobile depots are an amazing thing. You used to be able to just drop drones in a level 4 and go afk while they cleared the room as they used to not get aggro at all, that is what OP's probelm is, he can't do that anymore. He actually has to pay attention. Yeah, no, way to sugarcoat the problem. I NEVER afk'd missions before, and now all I do is stare at drone health bars and click drone in drone out repeat. I even understand why CCP did it, but it appears it's overdone and nothing was done on the other end to compensate. But for the rest of you, thank you all for the helpful posts. I appreciate the feedback.
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory. 1427	Posted - 2014.12.02 18:43:48 - [24] - Quote Shelle Kasings wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: Pardon the ignorance on my part, but is NPC behavior toward drones somehow different in missions than in anomalies? If so, how? If not, there is a certain way to make the rats stick to your ship, with about a 98% success rate (and no I'm not talking about that ******** ewar garbage). Also, why would you dock to refit? Mobile depots are an amazing thing. You used to be able to just drop drones in a level 4 and go afk while they cleared the room as they used to not get aggro at all, that is what OP's probelm is, he can't do that anymore. He actually has to pay attention. Yeah, no, way to sugarcoat the problem. I NEVER afk'd missions before, and now all I do is stare at drone health bars and click drone in drone out repeat. I even understand why CCP did it, but it appears it's overdone and nothing was done on the other end to compensate. But for the rest of you, thank you all for the helpful posts. I appreciate the feedback. Take an Ishtar (one or 2 deadspace medium reps - depending on the mission or site), drop sentries, orbit them close and with AB on, eventually fit remote repair for drones - kill large ships first - then take care about the small ones with medium or small drones. There will still be a sufficient amount of micro management required but I did not find a lvl 4 or a 6/10 to 7/10 where that did not work. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp Vae. Victis. 6059	Posted - 2014.12.02 18:48:09 - [25] - Quote Shelle Kasings wrote: Doc Fury wrote: Quick solution: Do something else, or play something else. Alternatively: Embrace the fact that things change and adapt. Advice: Don't be a filthy casual. If I'm going to pay money to CCP, I pretty much can be whatever I want. The problem is, nothing is appealing anymore. I suspect you didn't expend much effort putting together that reply. Perhaps you should actually follow the link he provided, or did you not put much effort into your reply either? Also, yes you can be whatever you want, however that has absolutely nothing to do with your paying a subscription fee to be here. View the latest EVE Online developments and War Thunder game play by visiting Ranger 1 Presents.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 165	Posted - 2014.12.02 18:59:50 - [26] - Quote Equinnox Dethahal wrote: I mean even wow players know to diversify their possible game situations. Nerfs happen, both with characters and content. Thing is, with a game like this, theres so much damn content, so many possibilities....id think you would have to try very hard to specialize so narrow and enjoy only one certain activity in this game....as to be upset with a change to the point with thinking you've wasted time.... and how do you waste time in a game where enjoyment was had during that time? You are quite literally paying for time enjoyed in a game that is pay to play. With wow it takes a month before you are maxed and have the best gear, followed by they can respec and also have duel spec so they can switch skills whenever they want In eve if you don't plan you was mass amounts of time, it took me almost 3 years to solo a lvl 4 now I can train a new character to do them slowly in less then 4 months. If you train the wrong skill that's time that's wasted when you need it but may be needed later. In eve you dont get to pick different skills nor you you get a 2nd skill set to switch to at will I found lvl 4s easier attacking from range, then they increased the ew abilities of rats and it slowed me down a bit, I invested in a marauder and now Long range hits and ew immunity is a great After wasting time looting my alt went offline due to the more recent reprocessing Nerf, tactics will be adapted. All will be brought inline The idk must flow. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Ashlar Maidstone Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance 128	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:19:06 - [27] - Quote @ Shelle Casings, I agree with you whole heartedly, I hardly ever log in anymore because the appeal of Eve has lost it's luster with me as well,unless something really game changing comes along then my account will go dormant in Jan.2015. Best of luck to you as well. 07
Leoric Firesword Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux 94	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:21:29 - [28] - Quote Shelle Kasings wrote: Flamers and 'go back to wow' replies are not desired here. I'm not a new player to this game. I had a 20m sp char a while back and I was in BoB. I left a few years ago and now I'm back. I trained up drones for 2 months and now I realize the drone aggro mechanic makes drone missioning l4s no fun at all. I've read many threads about this, and I understand how sentries work, and about recalling drones, and watching red-to-yellow etc. My main issue is that it isn't worth spending time docking, refitting, and constantly shuttling drones to do level 4 missions. I don't know how you're running missions, but you're doing it wrong. I run in an Armageddon and have no issues with having to shuffle drones in L4 missions. Most crap dies before it ever gets into range.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 15828	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:21:50 - [29] - Quote Shelle Kasings wrote: Flamers and 'go back to wow' replies are not desired here. I'm not a new player to this game. I had a 20m sp char a while back and I was in BoB. I left a few years ago and now I'm back. I trained up drones for 2 months and now I realize the drone aggro mechanic makes drone missioning l4s no fun at all. I've read many threads about this, and I understand how sentries work, and about recalling drones, and watching red-to-yellow etc. My main issue is that it isn't worth spending time docking, refitting, and constantly shuttling drones to do level 4 missions. It's ironic, really, because back when I played, everybody started Caldari Achura because it had a SP advantage. Then CCP supposedly leveled the playing field. But the drone aggro unleveled it again. Missiles/torps are king again. Just switch ammo types while fighting. I guess I should have trained caldari in the first place, yes? I wish CCP would let people reroll their skills in the first 3 months - I am so annoyed because I just don't have the time for these 3 hour missions and I don't have the time to log in to a corp every day and go on 4 hour ops. Mining is boring, PVP requires ISK, flipping in Jita is boring and pointless, and exploration is a waste. I explored for three weeks in lowsec and found nothing but data sites with 3m max in them. Unless somebody has any better ideas, I've concluded that this game isn't fun to play anymore. What ship and drones are you using? When I'm missioning with sentry Domis, it's unusual that I have to recall more than 1-2 sentries per mission. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5754	Posted - 2014.12.02 19:56:01 - [30] - Quote Leoric Firesword wrote: Shelle Kasings wrote: Flamers and 'go back to wow' replies are not desired here. I'm not a new player to this game. I had a 20m sp char a while back and I was in BoB. I left a few years ago and now I'm back. I trained up drones for 2 months and now I realize the drone aggro mechanic makes drone missioning l4s no fun at all. I've read many threads about this, and I understand how sentries work, and about recalling drones, and watching red-to-yellow etc. My main issue is that it isn't worth spending time docking, refitting, and constantly shuttling drones to do level 4 missions. I don't know how you're running missions, but you're doing it wrong. I run in an Armageddon and have no issues with having to shuffle drones in L4 missions. Most crap dies before it ever gets into range. With a portrait like that, you should have had a name like "The Inquisitor" or something. BTW how do you shuffle drones when apparently you can't see anything? :-P Bring back DEEEEP Space!

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