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Osamah BinPoden	Posted - 2006.09.06 00:20:00 - [31] Originally by: Gustovness lol I dunno. I guess it would take my flying a shuttle to get shotdown in a volley or two from a Ferox (assuming he's a bad ass.... which.... lmao!) And even then, a shuttle in exchange for a Ferox? I'll take that trade in blows ANY day! Don't argue with him... I don't remember who's sig said it, but I read once to "never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to your level and then beat you with experience." LOL I remember a similar quote "never argue with an idiot, because over time people won't be able to tell who the idiot is" or something like that. He just left me with the impression that a gallente sentry will only cause therm/kinetic damage.
Hesed	Posted - 2006.09.06 00:56:00 - [32] Well.. it's not really thieving till they hand it over in fear or in tribute to your magnanimity. It all flows back to the roids eventually, so even they are only borrowing it. If they weren't all in alliances I'm sure you could just end a war dec with the stipulation of tithes. If they are really reasonable, you will offer them a rate that is lower than the alliance dues.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.06 04:01:00 - [33] Having never activated a mining laser other than during the tutorial, I can honestly say ore thieves don't bother me, and some people I know waste far too much time trying to deal with them, when the manpower could be used to make ISK NPcing, and buy 5x the ore. Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath
Rex Deus Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.06 07:52:00 - [34] In response to the topic, I think eve is a game where you get to do what you want to do, act out 'good' or 'bad' deeds in a way that you possibly would not be able to do in the real world. I think whether your actions are 'ghetto' or not is besides the point, eve is a game. And games are made to be played. If you need to give positive and negative linguistic labels to divide people into convenient segments, well that's what going to church is for :)
Trojanman190 Caldari Everlasting Impact	Posted - 2006.09.06 14:50:00 - [35] My first one on one battle was against an ore theif and in retrospect... I dont know how I won. I was mining in high sec with my hulk while doing school work when a dude in a harpy showed up, stole from my can, then popped my can. It was only filled with 4000 m3 of veld, but I was bored of mining anyways. I flew back home, grabbed my rupture, and started looking for him. When I found him... he lasted 29 seconds before flying home in a pod. He didnt even get to my armor tank. I was using all t1 gear and I dont even have cruiser 5... he was using t2 weapons not to mention a t2 ship. Not exactly sure how my 7 mil ship beat his 20 mil ship but it was a very fun fight, and he duznt show up in local anymore. I think the biggest issue with the ore theif system is how mining barges pretty much cant defend themselves. If I fit a 20k scrambler, a shield booster, and whatever passive hardners I can still fit... it is very unlikely ill be able to defend my hulk against a skilled cruiser pilot. Even t2 drones just wont be able to do enough damage. And if he shoots them down? Time to ransom a 450 mil ship. My alternative is to warp away and come back in another ship. By that time, my can is gone, the opponent is usually gone. And im SOL. And dont even try to tell me about fighitng in t1 barges... if you cant beat a retriever in a cruiser or even a kestrel you are really doing something wrong. A retriever or a covetor with mining mods still only has ONE mid slot. So if you fit a warp scrambler you cant tank. And if you do manage to stick a booster on a covetor you can prevent thieves from leaving. Ore thives just steal from the can... wait for the barge to leave, then bring in friend or an alt in a hauler to grab cargo. There is just no way to defend your ore. Sure you can get revenge if the ore theif is still around... but what about those 2 hours you spent mining?
blanked Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.06 15:10:00 - [36] Originally by: ****h BinPoden Edited by: ****h BinPoden on 05/09/2006 23:01:23 Something about this post makes me chuckle. OK, I'll ask. What does being in gallente space have to do with the sentry tanking? Gallente sentries only do thermal and kenetic damage, and as you'll notice he's in a ferox designed to tank that damage. Therefore it is possible for him to last a substantial amount of time before he runs out of cap, or his opponant rips him apart. ----------------------------------------------- ?
Osamah BinPoden	Posted - 2006.09.06 21:36:00 - [37] Originally by: blanked Originally by: ****h BinPoden Edited by: ****h BinPoden on 05/09/2006 23:01:23 Something about this post makes me chuckle. OK, I'll ask. What does being in gallente space have to do with the sentry tanking? Gallente sentries only do thermal and kenetic damage, and as you'll notice he's in a ferox designed to tank that damage. Therefore it is possible for him to last a substantial amount of time before he runs out of cap, or his opponant rips him apart. Unless they changed something, sentry guns do damage of all 4 flavors no matter what space your in.
Vladimir Norkoff	Posted - 2006.09.06 21:45:00 - [38] Quote: And im SOL. And dont even try to tell me about fighitng in t1 barges... blah blah blah.. There is just no way to defend your ore. How about instead I tell you about getting a friend to guard you while you are mining... This is a multi-player game, so I suspect CCP's intention may be for players to actually interact with each other instead of mining all alone and vulnerable.. Yes yes, I know, it's too difficult to find trustable people / a good corp / friends in this cutthroat game / organize an op / be on at the same time / excuse excuse excuse.. If that's the case, just don't mine then...
Elite Marksman	Posted - 2006.09.06 22:19:00 - [39] How's a triggerhappy raven for gaurding ore? Indies aren't exactly the strongest ships, and you wont last long after a BS opens up on you.
Setana Manoro	Posted - 2006.09.06 23:39:00 - [40] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 06/09/2006 23:41:42 I got popped by a T1 barge with a 50m3 drone bay - the one with 3 strip miners. The dude was a 2004 character and i saw tech 2 mining drones - 5 of them too, as soon as i took from his cargo can i had 5 hobgoblins 2 on me and couldn't even warp in time. It was fun and I am happy that i did it - learned from this what 5 tech 2 lights can do. :) 2 days after that i find a Vexor mining solo, and he had 3 tech 1 light drones of mixed types - probably to mix damage. I popped his jet-can, he targeted me and put them on me. I scrambled him, and started to webb his drones and kill them off. After they were dead i took him out too. In the above 2 incidents i was in a blaster fitted Incursus. The 2nd dude, was a 5 months old character and i had a discussion with this CEO after about him being defenceless because i quote "he had a mining setup, and no guns, how could he have defended himself". Now, if i were to start mining, i would kill myself if at 5 months old i didn't have drone interfacing at at least level 4 because you need it to mine more and faster, and i can hardly believe that the 75m3 drone bay of the Vexor is not large enough to hold 5 tech 1 light drones. PS: I know what you mean about the villagers. As soon as the hatemail came from the Vexor pilot, 5 new pilots jumped in the system. Seeing as how the fight lasted almost 5 minutes i'm wondering what took them so long. :)
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage	Posted - 2006.09.07 00:29:00 - [41] Salvaging jettisoned ore is an honorable profession, I don't care what anybody says. It's fun, too, and fairly profitable if you find a system with a lot of barges, and you use an agile hauler. It does, however, tend to really annoy people. The trash talk gets quite astounding at times. I lost a few haulers while learning the trade, but these days the only time I lose one is if somebody goes to a lot of effort setting up a trap for me. And that almost never happens unless you go back to the same barge too many times.
JafoPBCFR	Posted - 2006.09.07 07:09:00 - [42] If they wanted that ore why would they just jettison it? It asks if your sure you want to jettison it. Look EVE is Risk VS Reward. Devs have said this. And you risk your Ore when you jettison it. Plain and simple.
Ixian001a Caldari Phioniex Lords	Posted - 2006.09.07 19:20:00 - [43] They even have idiot proofed cans with lcoks on them.
Beef Hardslab	Posted - 2006.09.08 16:45:00 - [44] If you are going to shovel money into a garbage can instead of a safe, don't get mad when the garbageman comes a'calling.
mike ray	Posted - 2006.09.10 04:43:00 - [45] Originally by: don jackson Ore thiefs, usually do what they do, for profit. Wrong. If I futz around nicking for 6 hours I MIGHT make 3m ... maybe a tad more if I happen across some macros with a lazy hauler. 3M is what I make at just one 0.0 spawn that takes 15 minutes to clear. I'm not good at math but I know what's what in this case. murder one said it best. If these idiots didn't care so much about their precious veldspar, we wouldn't be trying to take it from them. The Germans have a word for it, and I'm sure I'll spell it wrong here, but it's schadenfreude, or delight from other people's misfortune. -m
Zion Zan'threxian	Posted - 2006.09.10 09:10:00 - [46] I agree with a lot of these posters. You have cargo space, you can fit cargo expanders, jettisoning ore is lazy mining, sure it takes less time to fill it than running it in your barge, but guess what, that's your choice. Don't whine about having something you dumped into space stolen, makes us just want to do it more, I usually avoid real players mining, those poiuytt, qerssouy fellas however get raped for their ore (ice). I like how it is, this is how it should be, simply treat your ore like you do you ship, if you can't afford to lose it don't dump it into space. it is your own fault.
PriceCheckMax	Posted - 2006.09.10 09:12:00 - [47] Ore thiefs oh noes
Garmon	Posted - 2006.09.10 12:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Trojanman190 My first one on one battle was against an ore theif and in retrospect... I dont know how I won. I was mining in high sec with my hulk while doing school work when a dude in a harpy showed up, stole from my can, then popped my can. It was only filled with 4000 m3 of veld, but I was bored of mining anyways. I flew back home, grabbed my rupture, and started looking for him. When I found him... he lasted 29 seconds before flying home in a pod. He didnt even get to my armor tank. I was using all t1 gear and I dont even have cruiser 5... he was using t2 weapons not to mention a t2 ship. Not exactly sure how my 7 mil ship beat his 20 mil ship but it was a very fun fight, and he duznt show up in local anymore. I think the biggest issue with the ore theif system is how mining barges pretty much cant defend themselves. If I fit a 20k scrambler, a shield booster, and whatever passive hardners I can still fit... it is very unlikely ill be able to defend my hulk against a skilled cruiser pilot. Even t2 drones just wont be able to do enough damage. And if he shoots them down? Time to ransom a 450 mil ship. My alternative is to warp away and come back in another ship. By that time, my can is gone, the opponent is usually gone. And im SOL. And dont even try to tell me about fighitng in t1 barges... if you cant beat a retriever in a cruiser or even a kestrel you are really doing something wrong. A retriever or a covetor with mining mods still only has ONE mid slot. So if you fit a warp scrambler you cant tank. And if you do manage to stick a booster on a covetor you can prevent thieves from leaving. Ore thives just steal from the can... wait for the barge to leave, then bring in friend or an alt in a hauler to grab cargo. There is just no way to defend your ore. Sure you can get revenge if the ore theif is still around... but what about those 2 hours you spent mining? Rupture is a mean ship, faught off 2 af's and a crusader before with 140 struct left and faught 5 Af's the other day, killed the venegance + nearly got the 60 mil faction frig, think it was the hoobkill or something like that
Luxor Danith	Posted - 2006.09.10 16:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Kerc Kasha Originally by: Elridia Don't let them war dec you, instead, you war dec them. Thats what me and my friend did. We war decced the smacktalking alliance. 2 man corp vs an entire alliance. And we won And if you don't win, oh well, you get to have some fun. Still don't know how you managed to pull that off :P, then again you didn't get that much out of it. There are some alliances that are basically carebear cuddlies. ISS comes to mind. They are constantly wardeced by small (and sometimes large) pirate groups who then sit in jita and blast haulers (and newbies) intill the cows come home. The smarter pirates camp the Torrinos pipeline and nab haulers coming down out of 0.0. If ISS had a shred of organizational skill then could stop this, they have huge numbers, but it still goes on constantly. Some people just prefer to whine rather than fight back.
Ogdru Jahad Amarr	Posted - 2006.09.19 22:50:00 - [50] Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO Originally by: MaidMarion makes me happy i mine in domi with t2 miners .. + web, scram, ecm, fully functional tank .. and drones .. lots of drones QFT, my alt mines in an apoc with a sensor booster, double fleeting webs, 7.5km scram, and a heavy nos. Never had any takers. They see the Apoc and the -sec/bounty and don't bother. is that right? Yarrrrrr..... Great Quotes... INNOMINATE NIGHTMARE > Your mother is an Exotic Dancer and your Sister works in a Quafe Factory.....
Ebers Skeleton	Posted - 2006.09.20 14:44:00 - [51] Troof! I myself have taken up a little ore thieving .. well loot thieving in general. And heck, I really only steal it to get a fight. In fact if they don't aggress I just spit their stuff back out and try to get someone else to pick it up. But I have picked up their stuff, sat there while the timer ran down ... and they won't even shoot ... just log, warp off, or keep mining (an no they weren't a macro). Scary thing ... this is my ... ahem ... more devious alt. My main is a big puffy industrial/miner/mission running carebear. And I'm sorry but this has gotten a bit silly. I like to relax and mine like any other crazy nutty roid muncher ... but it seem's like a lot of folks just avoid any risk now. Maybe everyone is playing AFK?
carleyjones Caldari Blood and Silver	Posted - 2006.09.20 16:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Ebers Skeleton But I have picked up their stuff, sat there while the timer ran down ... and they won't even shoot ... just log, warp off, or keep mining (an no they weren't a macro). i do alot of ore theft for profit and sadly the above is generally the main response. normally followed by alot of abuse in local.

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