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Daravel
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Posted - 2014.12.06 22:23:37 -
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I was intrigued by the discussion regarding the 'PvP dome' from the CSM minutes - For a long time I have wanted a reliable method to host larger scale events/tournaments.
The current problem is that it is a nightmare enabling multiple pilots to be able to legally shoot one another and reliably accessing space where this is allowed with pilots from several corps/alliances is impractical.
The battle dome idea sounds great in theory but there are already identified issues around outsiders finding it/accessing it and the delicate balance about enabling these events vs retaining the spirit of EVE (people wrecking your toys).
I feel that a battle dome or similar mechanic is over thinking it.
Introduce a new type of fleet type: 'Event Fleet'
- The fleet would have a similar structure - squads allow teams to fly/warp together
- A referee position could enable to organiser to have some control over the squads (warping for example)
- The fleet would enable combat between all its members
- The fleet would receive no bonuses/boosts - making it unviable for general PvP use
- The fleet would not allow 'warp to member' for those outside your squad/team
This allows bigger, multi pilot events while not changing any core mechanics affecting other players to interfere. |
Daravel
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Posted - 2014.12.08 18:26:59 -
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It would also help solve the issue of removing legal combat between corp members - for any inter-corp events they can use this fleet type while also enabling awoxing by conning players to join said fleet.
There are a ton of cool event ideas that just aren't possible within existing mechanics - this idea would enable player run e-sports to take off with minimal dev input.
Also, stealth bump. |
TheExtruder
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.08 19:13:27 -
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i think fittings are a good thing for tournament style of fights for two reasons. 1. fast speed the process of sitting around doing nothing to shooting stuff with lazors 2. fair fights in terms of even distribution of ship classes etc. |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion
The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.12.09 11:03:45 -
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Why can't you just take the teams and go to the nearest nullsec system? You could, I don't know, have an honour system on not warping off. |
Daravel
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Posted - 2014.12.09 19:11:37 -
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TheExtruder wrote:i think fittings are a good thing for tournament style of fights for two reasons. 1. fast speed the process of sitting around doing nothing to shooting stuff with lazors 2. fair fights in terms of even distribution of ship classes etc.
Sure, the dojo offers a pretty nifty system for controlling and changing fits. But you can specify fitting rules prior to a tournament starting and use ship scanners to enforce this. I've had a lot of thought about different ideas for tournaments and the ways players could circumvent the rules and I think that the current tools offer solutions to all of them (wait for me to be proved wrong!). The big fall down is that the current mechanics do not facilitate big PvP tournaments - the dojo would give that while degrading the overall ethos of EVE - the fleets would give that while retaining all the freedom.
Adrie Atticus wrote:Why can't you just take the teams and go to the nearest nullsec system? You could, I don't know, have an honour system on not warping off.
The problem with this is that it is so easy for outsiders to interfere. I realise that comment contradicts what I just said above. But I think low sec/null/WH's offer far too many ways for other people to interfere with very minimal ways to protect yourself. As participants you can only go into a safe spot and all it takes is for one participant to relay that location and you're all dead.
Allowing these larger scale conflicts in high sec provides a measure of security, but people who want to ruin the party can still declare war, gank, bump, etc.
Besides, if the choice is between this fleet and the dojo, which one adheres to EVE's philosophy the closest? |
TheExtruder
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.09 19:20:02 -
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Daravel wrote:TheExtruder wrote:i think fittings are a good thing for tournament style of fights for two reasons. 1. fast speed the process of sitting around doing nothing to shooting stuff with lazors 2. fair fights in terms of even distribution of ship classes etc. Sure, the dojo offers a pretty nifty system for controlling and changing fits. But you can specify fitting rules prior to a tournament starting and use ship scanners to enforce this. I've had a lot of thought about different ideas for tournaments and the ways players could circumvent the rules and I think that the current tools offer solutions to all of them (wait for me to be proved wrong!). The big fall down is that the current mechanics do not facilitate big PvP tournaments - the dojo would give that while degrading the overall ethos of EVE - the fleets would give that while retaining all the freedom. Adrie Atticus wrote:Why can't you just take the teams and go to the nearest nullsec system? You could, I don't know, have an honour system on not warping off. The problem with this is that it is so easy for outsiders to interfere. I realise that comment contradicts what I just said above. But I think low sec/null/WH's offer far too many ways for other people to interfere with very minimal ways to protect yourself. As participants you can only go into a safe spot and all it takes is for one participant to relay that location and you're all dead. Allowing these larger scale conflicts in high sec provides a measure of security, but people who want to ruin the party can still declare war, gank, bump, etc. Besides, if the choice is between this fleet and the dojo, which one adheres to EVE's philosophy the closest?
trying to get somebody to participate in your tournament is like trying to get a woman to agree to follow you, you should never put anyone in a position of having to "think", they should feel relaxed following your leadership and enjoy the carefree ride where they feel safe that the other will take care of the details, its like turning off your mind for a few minutes while you put trust in the other. Having predetermined fitting is partly what allows you to "trust" |
Daravel
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Posted - 2014.12.09 23:39:47 -
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Ha, nice analogy.
However I'm not sure that 'not having to think' and feeling 'safe' are really EVE principles. My tournament ideas would actually revolve around having minimal fitting restrictions and retaining that inherent potential for chaos that comes with EVE - no content in EVE is 'safe' so why should tournaments or e-sports? However I can see why for 'truly fair' contests the ability to be stricter would be desirable.
I feel the strength of EVE is that the player has to be creative in using the broad tools to generate specific content (i.e. enforcing fitting).
I'd use the dojo if it was implemented - I'm desperate to do some tournaments. I'm just not sure that the dojo is the most elegant solution that stays true to EVE. |
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